[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Edgy wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
clear conscience
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overrated
overrated
non-existant
doubt it.
next~[/quote]
smh[/quote]
You needz a beta song to calm you down…
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[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Edgy wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
clear conscience
[/quote]
overrated
overrated
non-existant
doubt it.
next~[/quote]
smh[/quote]
Moar beta…
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Alpha rising
Alpha
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[quote]imhungry wrote:
Omega?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
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Omega?[/quote]
Can we just label it as “good”? 
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Said person needs to decide what he wants, and then have the balls and the brains to stick by his decision.[/quote]
Obviously, he wants to have his cake and eat it too. Obviously.
Of course that’s not for everyone, and as previously mentioned, he thoroughly forfeits the right to ‘alleviate guilt via confession’ at any later date (imo) but please don’t pretend any judgments here aren’t wholly subjective.
[quote]orion wrote:
As for the women and matched attractivness.
Sure, that works, for a while.
Since lifetime attractivness is unevenly matched however between men and women those men are perfectly within their rights to trade her in for a younger model if the need arises. And a lot of them will.
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People are within their rights to do lots of things, but what is within one’s power and what is good or even within one’s ultimate self interest are different things.
Of course it matters, as we choose, in part, the kind of people we want to be. But competing social models are not Darwinistic, not even for very broad definitions of Darwinism. There is no genetic component. Some subset of social models will fail because those who embrace them will fail to reproduce (such as the Shakers). Darwinism is a very poor model to apply to societies or social conventions.
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I cannot be a slut.
I am a man.
I could be the male counterpart, the LJBF cuddle bitch.
The beta orbiter.
The man who committs emotionally without getting sex.
And that I am not. [/quote]
Which is a bizarre twisting of definitions. Being a slut is tied to sexual promiscuity, and there’s no rational reason to differentiate between a woman who is promiscuous and a man who is promiscuous given the availability of birth control and equal rights.
[quote]orion wrote:
That deserves a reply on its own.
Is it not interesting that men are perfectly willing, be that good or bad, to fight and die for an idea that units them while women, self identified feminists, are not even willing to risk a few stretchmarks by having 2.1 children per woman?
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I have no idea what you are talking about, here. Women have children. I know women with careers who have children.
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Since the whole illusion that they do not need a man highly depends on massive redistribution from men towards women it is true that they do not need a specific man, but they sure as hell need men to keep the system going.
Who are we going to redistribute from if the population shrinks or is replaced by people who think the welfare state is teh greatest thing since sliced bread?
Self correcting abberation…[/quote]
If your point is that having men and women simultaneously pursuing careers instead of a family life, yes, that is a concern. My preferred solution is that increases in productivity should be accompanied by reductions in working hours, rather than clinging to the 40 hour work week as though it were divinely inspired. There are all kinds of programs a government can institute to encourage children in the middle class. But, for the most part, people want children. If it becomes a real problem, it is almost never too late to have a baby boom.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I’m going to ask the players and the non-players their thoughts on a hypothetical situation.
Let’s say a guy is happily engaged to a smart, very hot, sweet young woman. Wants her to have his babies.
While in another town, say Houston, to see his financial planners and various lawyers for a big financial firm, he goes to dinner at a steak house called the Strip Club (really, a steak house) with the legal team for his company and the financial company (say a financial company is trying to convince said hypothetical guy to buy another company, merge, and go public) at the and there is a nice little hard bodied lawyer-ette who is in her first year at some mega-lawyer law firm. Cheered for a big 12 team when in undergrad. Subtle, but nice, fake tits.
They have an after-dinner drink at the Four Seasons bar and then go upstairs where she proceeds to give him and awesome, balls-draining, blow job, then they hang out a bit and have some seriously hard core sex.
She’s very aware he’s all-but-married, but wants to hook up during an oil-and-gas drunk fest known as NAPE that is next week.
In typical lawyer fashion, she does not text, email, and calls come from her office, and she specifically advised the hypothetical guy to do the same.
Now, how would each of the various camps handle this purely hypothetical situation?[/quote]
This makes me very sad for the sweet young woman and I wonder why the man who professes to love her doesn’t feel the same. Because if he did, there would be no question what to do, and wouldn’t have been that night. That being the case, he should consider his ability to make commitments of this magnitude.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I’m going to ask the players and the non-players their thoughts on a hypothetical situation.
Let’s say a guy is happily engaged to a smart, very hot, sweet young woman. Wants her to have his babies.
While in another town, say Houston, to see his financial planners and various lawyers for a big financial firm, he goes to dinner at a steak house called the Strip Club (really, a steak house) with the legal team for his company and the financial company (say a financial company is trying to convince said hypothetical guy to buy another company, merge, and go public) at the and there is a nice little hard bodied lawyer-ette who is in her first year at some mega-lawyer law firm. Cheered for a big 12 team when in undergrad. Subtle, but nice, fake tits.
They have an after-dinner drink at the Four Seasons bar and then go upstairs where she proceeds to give him and awesome, balls-draining, blow job, then they hang out a bit and have some seriously hard core sex.
She’s very aware he’s all-but-married, but wants to hook up during an oil-and-gas drunk fest known as NAPE that is next week.
In typical lawyer fashion, she does not text, email, and calls come from her office, and she specifically advised the hypothetical guy to do the same.
Now, how would each of the various camps handle this purely hypothetical situation?[/quote]
I would advice him to channel the power of his ancestors and move like a shadow through the night.
Very hot, sweet woman most likely thinks he gets some on the side anyway but will not, not, NOT stand for social humiliation.
Social monogamy is where its at and condoms were invented for a reason. [/quote]
When I was this woman it never occurred to me. When I found out, years later, it devastated me because it called into question all of the premises of our relationship. I would say that ultimately, subtly, it killed the marriage. It had nothing to do with social humiliation. It had to do with respect and trust and cracks in my concept of our commitment.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
This makes me very sad for the sweet young woman and I wonder why the man who professes to love her doesn’t feel the same. Because if he did, there would be no question what to do, and wouldn’t have been that night. That being the case, he should consider his ability to make commitments of this magnitude.
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Thats is you assuming that men are like women.
If we accept for a second that hypergamy is a real phenomenon, the corresponding male state is polygamy for the men at the top.
That means if you cheat on someone, its more or less over, if a man cheats its Tuesday.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I’m going to ask the players and the non-players their thoughts on a hypothetical situation.
Let’s say a guy is happily engaged to a smart, very hot, sweet young woman. Wants her to have his babies.
While in another town, say Houston, to see his financial planners and various lawyers for a big financial firm, he goes to dinner at a steak house called the Strip Club (really, a steak house) with the legal team for his company and the financial company (say a financial company is trying to convince said hypothetical guy to buy another company, merge, and go public) at the and there is a nice little hard bodied lawyer-ette who is in her first year at some mega-lawyer law firm. Cheered for a big 12 team when in undergrad. Subtle, but nice, fake tits.
They have an after-dinner drink at the Four Seasons bar and then go upstairs where she proceeds to give him and awesome, balls-draining, blow job, then they hang out a bit and have some seriously hard core sex.
She’s very aware he’s all-but-married, but wants to hook up during an oil-and-gas drunk fest known as NAPE that is next week.
In typical lawyer fashion, she does not text, email, and calls come from her office, and she specifically advised the hypothetical guy to do the same.
Now, how would each of the various camps handle this purely hypothetical situation?[/quote]
I would advice him to channel the power of his ancestors and move like a shadow through the night.
Very hot, sweet woman most likely thinks he gets some on the side anyway but will not, not, NOT stand for social humiliation.
Social monogamy is where its at and condoms were invented for a reason. [/quote]
When I was this woman it never occurred to me. When I found out, years later, it devastated me because it called into question all of the premises of our relationship. I would say that ultimately, subtly, it killed the marriage. It had nothing to do with social humiliation. It had to do with respect and trust and cracks in my concept of our commitment.
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But you husband was beta and he is not.
Different dynamics, if you hit the provider buttons hard, cheating is bad mmmkay?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
This makes me very sad for the sweet young woman and I wonder why the man who professes to love her doesn’t feel the same. Because if he did, there would be no question what to do, and wouldn’t have been that night. That being the case, he should consider his ability to make commitments of this magnitude.
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Thats is you assuming that men are like women.
If we accept for a second that hypergamy is a real phenomenon, the corresponding male state is polygamy for the men at the top.
That means if you cheat on someone, its more or less over, if a man cheats its Tuesday. [/quote]
As usual my take on things differs from yours. It doesn’t matter about hypergamy or alpha or society or what have you. It matters about your value system and my place in it. It matters about your awareness that I’m at home, believing in you and in us, and it matters that you be worthy of my belief. What I have to offer in return is that I will be worthy of your belief in me.
Not sure how you categorize my cheating husband as beta and a current cheater as alpha. But no matter. The respect piece is related to the cheating. I have a hunger drive, but I don’t grab food off someone else’s plate and gobble it down. I control it. “The provider button.” I wonder if you’re unable to meet any baseline standard of functioning and have to create a world in which this is considered winning. Ex was/is a successful guy, an expert in his field and a boss. He was a competitive martial artist in his 20s. I suppose he may be beta, but I think by your expressed standards he’d be a winner. I dunno.
What a grim world you inhabit.
I was thinking more about alpha and beta and my ex as I got ready for work. I think my ex gives every appearance of being a big, strong silverback. He was very generous with me and has many good qualities, but he was also dour as hell and people generally people report feeling intimidated by him. They’re probably right to, he can be a bully. I think many of the men here would meet him and think alpha, but I know the intensity and bullying were fronts for profound insecurity. His frame, as the PUAs say, was very weak. But judged outwardly he’d be your hero, orion.
There are all sorts of flaws in your take on the world.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
This makes me very sad for the sweet young woman and I wonder why the man who professes to love her doesn’t feel the same. Because if he did, there would be no question what to do, and wouldn’t have been that night. That being the case, he should consider his ability to make commitments of this magnitude.
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Thats is you assuming that men are like women.
If we accept for a second that hypergamy is a real phenomenon, the corresponding male state is polygamy for the men at the top.
That means if you cheat on someone, its more or less over, if a man cheats its Tuesday. [/quote]
As usual my take on things differs from yours. It doesn’t matter about hypergamy or alpha or society or what have you. It matters about your value system and my place in it. It matters about your awareness that I’m at home, believing in you and in us, and it matters that you be worthy of my belief. What I have to offer in return is that I will be worthy of your belief in me.
Not sure how you categorize my cheating husband as beta and a current cheater as alpha. But no matter. The respect piece is related to the cheating. I have a hunger drive, but I don’t grab food off someone else’s plate and gobble it down. I control it. “The provider button.” I wonder if you’re unable to meet any baseline standard of functioning and have to create a world in which this is considered winning. Ex was/is a successful guy, an expert in his field and a boss. He was a competitive martial artist in his 20s. I suppose he may be beta, but I think by your expressed standards he’d be a winner. I dunno.
What a grim world you inhabit.
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Well the he was a hypothetical company owner who, hypothetically, banged a hot lawyer just because he could.
Thats kind of alpha.
What you are drawn to is technically “higher beta”.
However, if you get an alpha at least in a state of social monogamy, that is really all you can ask for.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
This makes me very sad for the sweet young woman and I wonder why the man who professes to love her doesn’t feel the same. Because if he did, there would be no question what to do, and wouldn’t have been that night. That being the case, he should consider his ability to make commitments of this magnitude.
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Thats is you assuming that men are like women.
If we accept for a second that hypergamy is a real phenomenon, the corresponding male state is polygamy for the men at the top.
That means if you cheat on someone, its more or less over, if a man cheats its Tuesday. [/quote]
God, you’re an ass.
Big surprise the women who talk to you are as you say they are, huh?[/quote]
Maybe I am an ass, but if women fuck upwards it necessarily gets a bit crowded at the top, that is a mathematical necessity.