kefu:
The jerk portion of the clean and jerk is NOT the same as a push press. The jerk involves no pressing… the lifter bends his/her knees twice… once at the initial blast-off and again to dip under the bar. The push press involves bending the knees once… at initial blast-off… and then pressing the bar out the remainder of the way overhead… no second knee bend.
[quote]kefu wrote:
He couldn’t bench 713lbs au naturel or else he would have already. That’s why he’s going after the suited record.quote]
I dont know what geners raw bench is and dont care…but any ways this statement is totaly incorrect…like i have said raw powerlifting has no draw no one wants to watch it, it draws no crowds and get very little attention…every single top name bencher cares about maybe 2 meets a year wich are considerd the superbowls of powerlifting…the “arnold classic bench bash” or the “usapl bench nationals”…these are shirted competitions and you win one of these (Wich gene did this year) your considerd the best until some one take the belt from you…the only guy i have ever heard of even taking a raw bench in competition is mendy…these guys are pros and care about winning belts, titles championships, just like any athlete…they dont care about raw benching and until it gets popular (out side of people on the internet)…i love olympic lifting and i love powerlifting have full respect for both sports wich you obviously do not…but i only ask that if you want to speak on powerlifting please have a clue about what your talking about…RB
…well as long as this thread is still going…
In viewing Childress’s squat from the video he definitely looks like he went to parallel and the guy has great technique and uses excellent leverage.
[quote]kenmen wrote:
kefu:
The jerk portion of the clean and jerk is NOT the same as a push press. The jerk involves no pressing… the lifter bends his/her knees twice… once at the initial blast-off and again to dip under the bar. The push press involves bending the knees once… at initial blast-off… and then pressing the bar out the remainder of the way overhead… no second knee bend. [/quote]
Kenmen,
EXACTLY. There is NO press in the jerk, hence the name JERK. kefu needs a clue. BTW-kenmen, I was at the WPO’s (I didn’t see Paul C. lift, I was there on Saturday watching the heavyweights 242’s and 275’s) but all their squats looked pretty damn good to me. And by good I mean below parallel. Those dudes were amazing, I don’t care what kind of suits they wear, moving that weight is unbelievable. It was a bummer to see JL bomb out, that dude is a beast. John Stafford was freakin’ amazing. That guy pulls faster than anyone I have ever seen, explosive as hell.
Major respect to all powerlifters, oly lifters, strongmen, gear or no gear. Having the balls to get under the bar and chasing new PR’s is what it is all about.
kefu-BTW, NO i was not thinking of the snatch. OLY weightlifting is more about getting your body around the bar and jerking the weight is typically going to result in a heavier load than pressing it out.
Never said it was a push-press. Was trying to explain it to Scott who said that you simply fall in underneath the weight, which sounded more like a snatch to me. Go back to the encylopedia definition and you will see the word “pushing”.
The amount of weight involves requires both a pressing/pushing motion and the double drive from the legs. As Scott himself says: “Jerking the weight is typically going to result in a heavier load than pressing it out.” Exactly, jerking is the inevitable evolution for when the press reaches its limit.
As the definition says: “The jerk portion of the lift is bending the knees slightly, and pushing the bar explosively above the head, locking the elbows and holding the weight at arm’s length.”
My original point was that Gene would not actually be able to bend over in his suit to do a clean and jerk.
It’s just a personal opinion and one shared by a lot of people here that suited powerlifting is not that great a sport for watchers. That is why I attend olympic weightlifting competitions in Europe and that is why there is a clear preference for oly on this side of the Atlantic.
I’m not going to get into a p*ssing match over bad definitions of Oly, just because I used a loose phrase in my first post.
My 84 year old grandfather can lift the front end of his Cadillac clear off the ground.
He keeps a floor jack under his workbench in the garage. He has yet to see it, by itself, lift 5 pounds.
I wasn’t going to get into this thread, but what the heck…
Raw+Drugs = Clean+shirt?
Oly lifters don’t “use” anything but chalk?
Goldberg makes some good points.
Old Dax
Bigpull said:
At an APA meet in Tri-Cities, Washington Ryan Kennelly just benched a 902 on his 4th attempt.Very solid lift and very impressive after his smoked 830 opener and 2 misses on the first 902 attempts. The first attempt rolled down on him and the second was maybe an uneven lockout, couldn’t quite tell. I know he wanted to chase the 1005 bench that was just set a few weeks ago. Very intense… blood coming from his eye and nose.
OK, I usually don’t like to get involved in this, but
[quote]kefu wrote:
It’s just a personal opinion and one shared by a lot of people here that suited powerlifting is not that great a sport for watchers. That is why I attend olympic weightlifting competitions in Europe and that is why there is a clear preference for oly on this side of the Atlantic.
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Powerlifting isn’t a spectator friendly sport? Yeah, neither is strongman, nor bodybuilding, nor for that matter is O-lifting. The fact of the matter is that what we do - whichever one of these disciplines we may choose to follow - is a fairly esoteric undertaking. None of these appeal to a broad swath of the population, that’s why you see strongman only on espn75 at 3 am on reruns, bodybuilding in magazines purchased by 14 year olds (who weigh 132,) Olympic lifting once every four years (and even then buried deep in MSNBC at 2:34,) and powerlifting at the Arnold and the SOS.
“Why” is a whole other question, but lemme chance an explanation. To begin with, sports are usually movement based. Most benchers stroke is, i would venture to guess, less than 18 inches. Even an olympiclifters 7 and a half foot range of motion pales in comparison to a 100 yard football field, or the amount of ground covered in a basketball game. So basically, there isn’t a hell of a lot to watch.
In addition, and I think much more importantly, “normal” people don’t understand. I know that I cannot sink a 3 with a defender in my face, everyone who has thrown a football around with their friends knows they don’t have brett favre’s arm strength, and to see the absolute control that soccer players have over a ball using just their feet is pretty damned impressive too. All of these activities are something of which people have firsthand knowledge. But very few people really UNDERSTAND just how heavy the weights being moved around really are, ie they do NOT have first hand experience. I remember being told by my father that he KNEW that his parents loved him very much, but he didn’t UNDERSTAND just how deep love was until he had children of his own. People who wouldn’t have the first darn clue about how to perform a snatch don’t realize that just doing a snatch with your body weight on the bar is impressive, let alone THREE times BW. The average person looks at a 900 lb squat and thinks “huh, thats heavy.” They search for a comparison, like maybe half of a car, or perhaps 40%. I can look at it and say “holy jeez, that’s over twice what I can squat.” I honestly believe that far less than 1% of the population has stood there with 400 lbs on their back. That puts me in a very small club. In addition, I can identify with the crushing that you feel as soon as you step out of the rack, the feeling that your head is about to explode while beginning the ascent - most people cannot and never will.
I don’t know if this is true or not (or maybe it was already posted) but isn’t the record bench RAW 713 pounds? If you compare that to the 1005 pound bench, it goes to show that the shirt does help a lot (by 200+ pounds). I’m not saying the shirt is bad or anything, but to go past “the barrier” it is needed.