[quote]oboffill wrote:
People are so quick to judge.
Do you know the feeling of frustration, annoyance, fatigue, and disrespect during the heat of competition?
Thinking rationally is an afterthought at that point.
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Bullshit.
DB
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
danmaftei wrote:
I really hope that FIFA somehow proves what Mozzarella said was racist, in which case there’s a chance Italy will be denied the cup.
OMG FUNNY!..Mozzarella is PERFECT!
Brilliance, you made my day!
…and yes, I thought the same so whether FIFA has the “balls” to call that shot remains to be seen.
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Brilliance? I guess it doesn’t take much to fill your mental cup…
[quote]oboffill wrote:
People are so quick to judge.
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Human nature.
Yes. I’ll bet most of the people that post here also know the feeling.
No it is not. I have been trash talked. I have never gotten in a fight over it. I have gotten in a few punch ups because of dirty play but that is a different thing.
I have had teammates get sin binned and thrown out of games for actions similar to Zidane’s.
They let down the team by losing their cool. They knew it and the team knew it.
Zidane and his team know he blew it in spite of any public statements they may make to the contrary. His shame is punishment enough.
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
oboffill wrote:
People are so quick to judge.
Do you know the feeling of frustration, annoyance, fatigue, and disrespect during the heat of competition?
Thinking rationally is an afterthought at that point.
Bullshit.
DB[/quote]
I can’t rebut “Bullshit.” so you win.
Way to display the mental acuity of a 9 year old.
And then they wonder why my generation is so poor at communicating. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, does it.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
oboffill wrote:
People are so quick to judge.
Human nature.
Do you know the feeling of frustration, annoyance, fatigue, and disrespect during the heat of competition?
Yes. I’ll bet most of the people that post here also know the feeling.
Thinking rationally is an afterthought at that point.
No it is not. I have been trash talked. I have never gotten in a fight over it. I have gotten in a few punch ups because of dirty play but that is a different thing.[/quote]
Is it different because it happened to YOU, rather than to Zidane. Materazzi is notorious for his foul play.
According the reports, Materazzi’s comments were deeply personal and he said he had rather been punched in the face than hear them.
[quote]I have had teammates get sin binned and thrown out of games for actions similar to Zidane’s.
They let down the team by losing their cool. They knew it and the team knew it.
Zidane and his team know he blew it in spite of any public statements they may make to the contrary. His shame is punishment enough.
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His priorities were clear and he has no shame. He is a man first, a soccer player second. He felt that in order to be at peace with himself he had to react, and he did.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
I agree.
Materazzi’s behaviour is a shame in any sports.
I just want to add that from a female point of view there is nothing more shameful to my eyes than to see a grown man act like a little girl, i.e. use emotional manipulation to win in any life situation - that to me reveals a complete lack of any personal power.You are deficient [and therefore should be “eliminated” = headbutted, ; )]
It is not just about winning, as some of you have said, it’s how you win it: That is what reveals to me the substance of the man that you are made of.
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I love you!
[quote]oboffill wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:
oboffill wrote:
People are so quick to judge.
Do you know the feeling of frustration, annoyance, fatigue, and disrespect during the heat of competition?
Thinking rationally is an afterthought at that point.
Bullshit.
DB
I can’t rebut “Bullshit.” so you win.
Way to display the mental acuity of a 9 year old.
And then they wonder why my generation is so poor at communicating. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, does it. [/quote]
I didn’t feel a need to elaborate. Sometimes fewer words are better than more. To be honest, I wasn’t trying to WIN anything with my comment. I patently disagreed with your statement that rational thinking is an afterthought during physical exhaustion and emotional duress. Anyone who has gone all out in a competition or has served in the military can give you ample evidence of the fallacy of your assertion.
Furthermore, the way you backed up your statement to counter Zap supports my “bullshit” claim. Based on your post, he WAS thinking rationally at the time because he said he would rather have been punched in the face than continue to hear such slanderings. To be able to think about the consequences of an action prior to undertaking it is an example of rational thinking.
To place the blame of your generation’s failure to communicate (where this claim comes from is beyond me) is a cop out. Perhaps the inability comes from the lack of desire to think before you speak or write. Accuse me all you want of having a lack of mental accuity, but based on a lot of your posts I’ve seen, I wouldn’t trade my brain for yours any day of the week.
DB
[quote]oboffill wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
oboffill wrote:
People are so quick to judge.
Human nature.
Do you know the feeling of frustration, annoyance, fatigue, and disrespect during the heat of competition?
Yes. I’ll bet most of the people that post here also know the feeling.
Thinking rationally is an afterthought at that point.
No it is not. I have been trash talked. I have never gotten in a fight over it. I have gotten in a few punch ups because of dirty play but that is a different thing.
Is it different because it happened to YOU, rather than to Zidane. Materazzi is notorious for his foul play.
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I assure you jackasses that trash talk in rugby are more physical than Materazzi. That doesn’t change a thing.
Sure he would have. Pure hyperbole.
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I have had teammates get sin binned and thrown out of games for actions similar to Zidane’s.
They let down the team by losing their cool. They knew it and the team knew it.
Zidane and his team know he blew it in spite of any public statements they may make to the contrary. His shame is punishment enough.
His priorities were clear and he has no shame. He is a man first, a soccer player second. He felt that in order to be at peace with himself he had to react, and he did. [/quote]
You are gullible aren’t you?
It eats him up that he made this mistake. He knows he fucked up and it may have cost his team in the biggest game.
He is pissed at himself and his teammates are pissed at him. Of course they will all rally behind him and support him because that is what teammmates do. Behind closed doors it is a different matter.
This “man first” bullshit is stupid. A man would score the winning goal.
A spoiled child lashes out. Zidane acted like a spoiled child for a moment and now will regret it for the rest of his life.
I am now internet head butting all of you in the chest right now because I can do so without fear of retribution.
And you’re all pussies, so there!
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
I didn’t feel a need to elaborate. Sometimes fewer words are better than more. To be honest, I wasn’t trying to WIN anything with my comment. I patently disagreed with your statement that rational thinking is an afterthought during physical exhaustion and emotional duress.[/quote]
Sometimes a little proding brings out discussion. Show me I’m wrong rather than just tell me that I am.
Have you never heard of a case where servicemen murdered innocent civilians, unprovoked? That is frustration, fatigue, and desperation of the highest order.
In sports, retribution is very easily attained since the opponent is on the same field of play.
In retrospect, he said he would rather be punched in the face. It is doubtful that he had the thought during the match.
We all know that Zidane is capable rational thought. Therefore, one can conclude that, with all that was at stake for him, his action was not a result of a rational thought process.
[quote]To place the blame of your generation’s failure to communicate (where this claim comes from is beyond me) is a cop out. Perhaps the inability comes from the lack of desire to think before you speak or write. Accuse me all you want of having a lack of mental accuity, but based on a lot of your posts I’ve seen, I wouldn’t trade my brain for yours any day of the week.
DB[/quote]
Ditto. 
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
oboffill wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
oboffill wrote:
People are so quick to judge.
Human nature.
Do you know the feeling of frustration, annoyance, fatigue, and disrespect during the heat of competition?
Yes. I’ll bet most of the people that post here also know the feeling.
Thinking rationally is an afterthought at that point.
No it is not. I have been trash talked. I have never gotten in a fight over it. I have gotten in a few punch ups because of dirty play but that is a different thing.
Is it different because it happened to YOU, rather than to Zidane. Materazzi is notorious for his foul play.
I assure you jackasses that trash talk in rugby are more physical than Materazzi. That doesn’t change a thing.
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Oftentimes, words hurt more than fists. If you can excuse your fist fight, you should see no problem in excusing Zidane.
[quote]According the reports, Materazzi’s comments were deeply personal and he said he had rather been punched in the face than hear them.
Sure he would have. Pure hyperbole.
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What makes you so sure?
[quote]I have had teammates get sin binned and thrown out of games for actions similar to Zidane’s.
They let down the team by losing their cool. They knew it and the team knew it.
Zidane and his team know he blew it in spite of any public statements they may make to the contrary. His shame is punishment enough.
His priorities were clear and he has no shame. He is a man first, a soccer player second. He felt that in order to be at peace with himself he had to react, and he did.
You are gullible aren’t you?
It eats him up that he made this mistake. He knows he fucked up and it may have cost his team in the biggest game.
He is pissed at himself and his teammates are pissed at him. Of course they will all rally behind him and support him because that is what teammmates do. Behind closed doors it is a different matter.[/quote]
That is your opinion. That is likely how YOU would feel if you were in Zidane’s shoes right now.
Zidane scored a penalty kick in the first 45 minutes.
You must really hate yourself for getting into that fist fight during the rugby match.
[quote]oboffill wrote:
…Have you never heard of a case where servicemen murdered innocent civilians, unprovoked? That is frustration, fatigue, and desperation of the highest order.
…
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And it is greatly frowned upon. It is not considered manly at all.
I wouldn’t compare Zidane’s actions to murder nor would I compare his frustration to that of the soldier that hasn’t had decent sleep in weeks and has seen his friends and innocent civilans maimed and murdered by cowards detonating car bombs.
[quote]oboffill wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
oboffill wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
oboffill wrote:
People are so quick to judge.
Human nature.
Do you know the feeling of frustration, annoyance, fatigue, and disrespect during the heat of competition?
Yes. I’ll bet most of the people that post here also know the feeling.
Thinking rationally is an afterthought at that point.
No it is not. I have been trash talked. I have never gotten in a fight over it. I have gotten in a few punch ups because of dirty play but that is a different thing.
Is it different because it happened to YOU, rather than to Zidane. Materazzi is notorious for his foul play.
I assure you jackasses that trash talk in rugby are more physical than Materazzi. That doesn’t change a thing.
Oftentimes, words hurt more than fists. If you can excuse your fist fight, you should see no problem in excusing Zidane.
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Words only hurt if you let them. Only someone close to me could say words that would hurt me. Words spoken by an opponent on a field of play have little meaning.
The fights I have been involved in have been the result of dirty play. If the Italiam player would have punched Zidane I would better understand Zidane’s reaction.
I am a grown up. Zidane is a grown up.
It is easy to see the truth behind his words.
This is a fact. Even Terrell Owens is not so selfish that he would not feel regret for letting his team down.
A number of my teammates have been tossed for similar action. They either apologize to the team right away or they cool off for a few days and then apologize. Either way they always apologize and feel regret.
Exactly. He was their best hope to win the game and he got tossed.
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A spoiled child lashes out. Zidane acted like a spoiled child for a moment and now will regret it for the rest of his life.
You must really hate yourself for getting into that fist fight during the rugby match. [/quote]
I have been in a few scuffles and have no regrets. I have never done anything as blatantly stupid as Zidane and the only scuffles I have been in I was physically defending myself.
I am smart enough to let the trash talk slide off my back.
Zidane and his teammates wish he was smart at that moment in time.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
oboffill wrote:
…Have you never heard of a case where servicemen murdered innocent civilians, unprovoked? That is frustration, fatigue, and desperation of the highest order.
…
And it is greatly frowned upon. It is not considered manly at all.
I wouldn’t compare Zidane’s actions to murder nor would I compare his frustration to that of the soldier that hasn’t had decent sleep in weeks and has seen his friends and innocent civilans maimed and murdered by cowards detonating car bombs.[/quote]
I failed to communicate my point clearly.
Service men are constantly reminded that they need to be extra careful about their actions. It is their responsibility and duty. However, tragedies occur, regardless. These men were not thinking logically.
Well, neither was Zidane. How can you condemn the guy when he was thinking clearly?
You have to either:
a) believe that he thought out the consequences of his headbutt.
b) believe that he is insane and incapable of logical thought.
c) accept what he did as being a result of the intense pain he felt from Materazzi’s comments and/or actions during the game.
If c), then how could you really fault the guy?
[quote]cadav wrote:
if you have played you should know the rules. the rules say “no contact allowed” (other than a few case).
so it is not matter of cheating.
and with 3 referee in field you “need” t o be seen to take advantage of the rules.
it is not rugby nor american footbal, neither hokey… it is soccer with its own rules…
other than that i’m sorry for the reaction of Zizoo… he is a champion and he choice the worst way to end his career…[/quote]
Whatever, I hate when people try to rationalize the pussiness I see going on every time the world cup is on…flopping is flopping is flopping-and a very girlie way to perform on the field…to be perfectly honest, the one team not flopping around too badly was England, and I can’t stand those fairies.
Ha, I just realized that I’m probably experiencing the same problems that attorneys face in similar cases.
How much pain results in a pardon to headbutt someone? We can never quantify that. The legal system says that it is almost never ok to take vigilante justice. But fuck, it’s soccer. The rules are different, in my eyes.
A purist will say that striking another player is never permissible. The problem is that players rely solely on the ref’s eyes for justice (even if the ref sees the play, that is still no guarantee he will make the right all). The ref is not a reliable authority because his ability to watch the entire field is very limited.
All we have is the instant replay and the opinions of both players in question. The lip-reader said that Materazzi called Zidane a terrorist (or something similar). Who knows.
I like Zidane more than Materazzi so I side with Zidane. Yeah, it’s dumb.
Have to admit im very suprised at many people’s reaction to Zidane’s red card.
There are a lot of very naive people on here.
Couple of facts for you:
This was Zidane’s last ever pro match.
The whole of France expected HIM to win them the game (players like henry, viera etc did not step up bit like rooney with england the other world class players in the team were happy to sit back and let the likes of zidane and rooney carry the hopes of nation both with the same fate)
His mother was taken to hospital the night before the game.
Can you imagine the pressure he was under ? nope did’nt think so.
He put up with disgusting taunts from a player well known for his right wing facist views and he just snapped.
He is human, he makes mistakes, there are so many self righteous people on this board it quite sad.
Zap, your replies are too emotionally invested (and, of course, you will reply they are not). Your personal biases are very evident. That being said, I cannot debate you further.
Stupid move. I would’ve respected him more if the headbutt would’ve actually caught the guy in the face though instead of the chest. Although a good shot to the solar plexus does hurt like a mother fucker.
[quote]carter12 wrote:
Stupid move. I would’ve respected him more if the headbutt would’ve actually caught the guy in the face though instead of the chest. Although a good shot to the solar plexus does hurt like a mother fucker.[/quote]
What if he pulled out a switchblade and shanked the guy. How much RP (respect points) would you give him?