Zidane... Last Game

[quote]michael2507 wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
I call it penis envy.

All males who are criticizing Zizzi( Italian for penis ) for his free will to act are just secretly envious of the size, girth, and thrushing power of the manhood that it takes for a man to act on the callings of his instinctual nature when he wants it and how he wants it, regardless of the consequences.

He didn’t make a mistake he just just made a choice which differs from what most of you would have made.

That is what I call psychological autonomy.

I’d marry him anyday.

Actually, his nickname is Zizou which means white cat. That being said, I guess cats have callings of instinctual nature as well…

:wink:

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I knew it was Zizou. I intended a pun in using Zizzi - because its french ( not Italian ,nephorm, my mistake) for penis - maybe that’s why they call him Zizou, not Zizzi.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
2.He chose 1 act of physical agression in response to another act of emotional agression at that specific moment in time - which makes it all the more rational.
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Well, I guess that’s where we disagree. I get annoyed by terms like “emotional violence” and “emotional abuse.”

If he’s such a man, why does he let it get to him?

I would think carefully before advocating that people attack another person because they dislike what they say, regardless of connection with any sort of “higher physical” state.

Some people might actually take the advice.

[quote]JACKED71 wrote:
robs wrote:
I think France should accuse Italy of doping.

Please elaborate??[/quote]

You know, the whole Lance Armstrong/French doping thing…The French can’t win so they make stuff up to take down the strong players. This guy was doping - that guy said something bad about my mommy and touched my nipple.

[quote]xjayx300 wrote:
Stuey wrote:
Where did this term “flopping” come from??

I’ve watched football for years and have never once heard this term before this thread.

The term “flopping” comes from basketball…and you are correct, in regards to soccer, it is “diving”, as with hockey.
[/quote]

thank you…

[quote]nephorm wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
2.He chose 1 act of physical agression in response to another act of emotional agression at that specific moment in time - which makes it all the more rational.

Well, I guess that’s where we disagree. I get annoyed by terms like “emotional violence” and “emotional abuse.”

If he’s such a man, why does he let it get to him?

I would think carefully before advocating that people attack another person because they dislike what they say, regardless of connection with any sort of “higher physical” state.

Some people might actually take the advice.[/quote]

Because he is human.

I am not advocating anything.
Does it escape your notice how the power of your intellectual attacks can hit someone? Maybe you are just not blessed with a 220lb athletic body and since your 220lb athletic brain cannot defend you from a physical headbutt then you criticize physical expressions of manhood - they are just different from your expressions. You have fantastic posts of intellectual prowess, I don’t see you as less of a man than Zidane is - you got intellectualy agressive in this very thread…

You can attack someone emotionaly, intellectualy or physicaly - but attack we all do. What I observe is the perception that intellectual or emotional , “violence” or “abuse” “attack” is less destructive ( or more acceptible) than physical, for exemple. And that you and I can headbutt someome intelectually ( using our "higher brain functions and fooling the less brainy and more physical into thinking that we are more inteligent and “civilized” )and get away with it but because he chose to respond physically that makes him a “brute” or “violent”. All it does is make the attack seem more real than an intellectual or “emotional headbutt”, but that doesn’t make other men and their violence less real.

“higher” brain
“higher” heart
“higher” body

We all have moments of violence. We just chose different weapons.

[quote]Stuey wrote:
xjayx300 wrote:
Stuey wrote:
Where did this term “flopping” come from??

I’ve watched football for years and have never once heard this term before this thread.

The term “flopping” comes from basketball…and you are correct, in regards to soccer, it is “diving”, as with hockey.

thank you…
[/quote]

If they introduced ‘muff diving’ into the sport, then it’d be more interesting. That’s a better kind of diving.

HH

HAHAHAHA!

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
nephorm wrote:
Alpha F wrote:

You can attack someone emotionaly, intellectualy or physicaly - but attack we all do. What I observe is the perception that intellectual or emotional , “violence” or “abuse” “attack” is less destructive ( or more acceptible) than physical, for exemple. And that you and I can headbutt someome intelectually ( using our "higher brain functions and fooling the less brainy and more physical into thinking that we are more inteligent and “civilized” )and get away with it but because he chose to respond physically that makes him a “brute” or “violent”. All it does is make the attack seem more real than an intellectual or “emotional headbutt”, but that doesn’t make other men and their violence less real.

“higher” brain
“higher” heart
“higher” body

We all have moments of violence. We just chose different weapons.

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You make some decent points about the impact of words and how often times they can be more destructive than physical violence. You miss the fact that you cannot kill a person with words, but you certainly can kill with physical violence. Therein lies the distinction between the two, which is why one form is illegal and the other is not (in the U.S. anyway).

If someone verbally “tears you a new asshole” it will hurt a helluva lot less than if someone literally rips open a new orifice in your buttocks. Likewise with “ripping one’s head off”.

Anyone can resort to physical violence, but it takes a true artist to demoralize a person with words.

DB

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Stuey wrote:
xjayx300 wrote:
Stuey wrote:
Where did this term “flopping” come from??

I’ve watched football for years and have never once heard this term before this thread.

The term “flopping” comes from basketball…and you are correct, in regards to soccer, it is “diving”, as with hockey.

thank you…

If they introduced ‘muff diving’ into the sport, then it’d be more interesting. That’s a better kind of diving.

HH

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And it wouldn’t be much of a stretch with all the pussies out on the pitch these days.

DB

[quote]PGA200X wrote:
HAHAHAHA!

- YouTube [/quote]

Nice, I was just getting ready to post that link…

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
You make some decent points about the impact of words and how often times they can be more destructive than physical violence. You miss the fact that you cannot kill a person with words, but you certainly can kill with physical violence. Therein lies the distinction between the two, which is why one form is illegal and the other is not (in the U.S. anyway).

If someone verbally “tears you a new asshole” it will hurt a helluva lot less than if someone literally rips open a new orifice in your buttocks. Likewise with “ripping one’s head off”.

Anyone can resort to physical violence, but it takes a true artist to demoralize a person with words.

DB[/quote]

Good point.

I wholeheartedly agree with you.
That is why I said it is more real and if the severity is mild and afar from incurring death, a physical display of agression is more acceptable as evidence of being a real man.

However, from a different perspective, according to the adverse judgement of most, Zidane’s career has been killed by his course of action - and he is going to have to live with that for the rest of his days, like a living death, if you like.

What was the blow that caused that death?

Doesn’t the law of physics teach that to every action there is a reaction of equal force?

Of course, at the end of the day there is always free will and he could have made 100 diferent choices.

My main point is that he made a not very popular one.

I am not advocating violence - Please keep it in context; He was taking part in a sports activity. When you are in action, staff happens - if he tried to kill the guy he would have been stopped - when I played in high school I always was, ; )

… and my attitude was “well,honey, if you can’t take the solidity of my body then you don’t belong here - Go become a cheer leader.”

If Salami (Metarazzi, or whatever his name is)came home after that game and I was his mother I would have headbutted him myself, ; )

My rage over this whole affair actually is this:

In the name of sports, please remove the spineless cockcroaches from the game. Bloodless creatures made of soft shells that pose no significant threat but who none the less spoil any game are pests and do not bleed well, or cannot bleed altogether so why play them?

“Referreeeee…he squashed my chest!”

Insects.

My gay friend said that the italians were like “crying little girls who couldn’t take a hit” - If that doesn’t say something about the lack of blood in these creatures then I don’t know what does.

Some classic amimated gifs:

http://cliffiv.net/sa/headbutte.gif

http://www.maj.com/gallery/JpegMasterJesse/Gifs/fatalityzadine.gif

http://www.ggzidane.com/gallery/

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6328/zidheadcut7ao.gif

this one, gotz to be one of my favorites:
http://www.soosed.com/images/zidane-hammer.gif

and my favorite response from another forum

Was headbutting Materazzi sportsmanlike? Of course not, but I don’t see anyone debating whether or not Zidane should have received a red card. It was deserved because Zidane could have ignored Materazzi’s ill behavior (or at least waited until after the game to have it out with him).

But that being said, Materazzi’s behavior is just as unsportsmanlike and should also be dealt with. Anyone watching the game could see that Materazzi and Zidane were butting-heads (figuratively) the entire game. After 100+ minutes of Materazzi’s bullshit Zidane lost it. Even if two wrongs don’t make a right, they are still two wrongs.

[quote]virid wrote:
Was headbutting Materazzi sportsmanlike? Of course not, but I don’t see anyone debating whether or not Zidane should have received a red card. It was deserved because Zidane could have ignored Materazzi’s ill behavior (or at least waited until after the game to have it out with him).

But that being said, Materazzi’s behavior is just as unsportsmanlike and should also be dealt with. Anyone watching the game could see that Materazzi and Zidane were butting-heads (figuratively) the entire game. After 100+ minutes of Materazzi’s bullshit Zidane lost it. Even if two wrongs don’t make a right, they are still two wrongs.[/quote]

I agree.

Materazzi’s behaviour is a shame in any sports.

I just want to add that from a female point of view there is nothing more shameful to my eyes than to see a grown man act like a little girl, i.e. use emotional manipulation to win in any life situation - that to me reveals a complete lack of any personal power.You are deficient [and therefore should be “eliminated” = headbutted, ; )]

It is not just about winning, as some of you have said, it’s how you win it: That is what reveals to me the substance of the man that you are made of.

I really hope that FIFA somehow proves what Mozzarella said was racist, in which case there’s a chance Italy will be denied the cup.

And Zidane is the man. You can’t fuck with him. Just like you can’t fuck with Figo. Holy shit, playing against Real Madrid must’ve been terrifying. When Figo and Zidane stare at you, you bow the fuck down and admit you’re a pussy. Jea.

[quote]danmaftei wrote:
I really hope that FIFA somehow proves what Mozzarella said was racist, in which case there’s a chance Italy will be denied the cup.
[/quote]

OMG FUNNY!..Mozzarella is PERFECT!

Brilliance, you made my day!

…and yes, I thought the same so whether FIFA has the “balls” to call that shot remains to be seen.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
whether FIFA has the “balls” to call that shot remains to be seen.

[/quote]

will not happen, I guarantee it.

People are so quick to judge.

Do you know the feeling of frustration, annoyance, fatigue, and disrespect during the heat of competition?

Thinking rationally is an afterthought at that point.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:
You make some decent points about the impact of words and how often times they can be more destructive than physical violence. You miss the fact that you cannot kill a person with words, but you certainly can kill with physical violence. Therein lies the distinction between the two, which is why one form is illegal and the other is not (in the U.S. anyway).

If someone verbally “tears you a new asshole” it will hurt a helluva lot less than if someone literally rips open a new orifice in your buttocks. Likewise with “ripping one’s head off”.

Anyone can resort to physical violence, but it takes a true artist to demoralize a person with words.

DB

Good point.

I wholeheartedly agree with you.
That is why I said it is more real and if the severity is mild and afar from incurring death, a physical display of agression is more acceptable as evidence of being a real man.

However, from a different perspective, according to the adverse judgement of most, Zidane’s career has been killed by his course of action - and he is going to have to live with that for the rest of his days, like a living death, if you like.

What was the blow that caused that death?

Doesn’t the law of physics teach that to every action there is a reaction of equal force?

Of course, at the end of the day there is always free will and he could have made 100 diferent choices.

My main point is that he made a not very popular one.

I am not advocating violence - Please keep it in context; He was taking part in a sports activity. When you are in action, staff happens - if he tried to kill the guy he would have been stopped - when I played in high school I always was, ; )

… and my attitude was “well,honey, if you can’t take the solidity of my body then you don’t belong here - Go become a cheer leader.”

If Salami (Metarazzi, or whatever his name is)came home after that game and I was his mother I would have headbutted him myself, ; )

My rage over this whole affair actually is this:

In the name of sports, please remove the spineless cockcroaches from the game. Bloodless creatures made of soft shells that pose no significant threat but who none the less spoil any game are pests and do not bleed well, or cannot bleed altogether so why play them?

“Referreeeee…he squashed my chest!”

Insects.

My gay friend said that the italians were like “crying little girls who couldn’t take a hit” - If that doesn’t say something about the lack of blood in these creatures then I don’t know what does.

[/quote]

Very true words. Personally,I feel this whole episode has been blown WAY out of proportion. Suddenly people have forgotten that Zidane has always been a “chippy” player (to borrow a hockey term) and prone to these types of actions. The only reason I’m surprised at his actions were because of the magnitude of the game.

DB

Hmmm, someone calling another person racist, while throwing out a racial slur. Classic!

You gotta love hypocrites.

[quote]danmaftei wrote:
I really hope that FIFA somehow proves what Mozzarella said was racist, in which case there’s a chance Italy will be denied the cup.

And Zidane is the man. You can’t fuck with him. Just like you can’t fuck with Figo. Holy shit, playing against Real Madrid must’ve been terrifying. When Figo and Zidane stare at you, you bow the fuck down and admit you’re a pussy. Jea.[/quote]