Is that Moses upon high? Get it?!
I do agree though, let’s just hope he didn’t drop the other commandments and lose all their knowledge to mankind!
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
DC Training does it.
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Just cause I can’t help myself from commenting whenever someone mentions DC…
I don’t think we vary exercises, we pick the three best for each body part and rotate them and pound those exercises till we reach a strength plateau. Only then is it changed. If you could you’d stay with the same three best exercises for years. It’s not the variety really, it’s the progression.
I dunno, isn’t it finding out what YOUR five commandments are and making sure you are consistant with those?
What works for you might not work for me and vica versa, right?
What is the point of making universal laws when people aren’t universal?
Just wondering…
[quote]The Bambino wrote:
I dunno, isn’t it finding out what YOUR five commandments are and making sure you are consistant with those?
What works for you might not work for me and vica versa, right?
What is the point of making universal laws when people aren’t universal?
Just wondering…[/quote]
DO you realize how ridiculous this sounds? SO you think lifting heavy weight and eating lots of food won’t work for you?
I never said that won’t work for me. It does. That’s not my point.
For example, my brother could eat a diet of cake and fruit juice, drink a protein shake twice a week while doing maximum lifts three times a week. Works for him.
If I tried this approach (and I have) I would be a blob of filth.
That is my point.
legionnaire i copied and pasted your new 5 laws to a few friends.
i particularly liked the 9/10 dentists agree that meat has too much fat.
oh oh
and your biceps make up 93.2% of your arms lololol
[quote]The Bambino wrote:
I dunno, isn’t it finding out what YOUR five commandments are and making sure you are consistant with those?
What works for you might not work for me and vica versa, right?
What is the point of making universal laws when people aren’t universal?
Just wondering…[/quote]
Were not debating specifics here.
Do you not think that the level of one’s success related to:
- Eating enough
- Training hard
- Resting enough
- Gettin stronger
is going to vary so much from person to person? Every person is different, but not THAT different. I think all of these people who are saying “yeah, heavy, hard training on the basics and lots of healthy food works for some people but everyones different” are just lazy, unwilling to do what it takes, and in the same league as the 148 lb 16 year old who picks up a weight twice and then declares himself a hardgainer. This is weight lifting, its not advanced rocket science. There is a reason that people make fun of this site and thats because people here cant seem to get the basics down before they start writing thesis dissertations.
Heavy weights, heavier weights, red meat, chicken, fish, vegetables, eggs, rice, oats, protein powder, sleep, squats, deadlifts, rows, presses, chins, dips, and even heavier weights. If half of the posters here spent a year with those ideas and those ideas alone, wed have more strong people here and fewer people whose copy of “supertraining” weighs more than they do.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
The Bambino wrote:
I dunno, isn’t it finding out what YOUR five commandments are and making sure you are consistant with those?
What works for you might not work for me and vica versa, right?
What is the point of making universal laws when people aren’t universal?
Just wondering…
Were not debating specifics here.
Do you not think that the level of one’s success related to:
- Eating enough
- Training hard
- Resting enough
- Gettin stronger
is going to vary so much from person to person? Every person is different, but not THAT different. I think all of these people who are saying “yeah, heavy, hard training on the basics and lots of healthy food works for some people but everyones different” are just lazy, unwilling to do what it takes, and in the same league as the 148 lb 16 year old who picks up a weight twice and then declares himself a hardgainer. This is weight lifting, its not advanced rocket science. There is a reason that people make fun of this site and thats because people here cant seem to get the basics down before they start writing thesis dissertations.
Heavy weights, heavier weights, red meat, chicken, fish, vegetables, eggs, rice, oats, protein powder, sleep, squats, deadlifts, rows, presses, chins, dips, and even heavier weights. If half of the posters here spent a year with those ideas and those ideas alone, wed have more strong people here and fewer people whose copy of “supertraining” weighs more than they do.[/quote]
I would agree with all of this. I am by no means finished with what I have started, and I am not “lazy, unwilling to do what it takes, or a self-proclaimed hardgainer.”
I started lifting three years ago and was 120 lbs. I have certainly made significant progress since then, and I have mainly utilized the previously stated “basics” to get there. However, I have at times tried techiniques that I wouldn’t necessarily recommend to someone else due to my own experiences while training. I am not saying that someone shouldn’t get the basics down before trying other things, but don’t be afraid to try different things. Even top level bodybuilders train with wildly different techniques, and are very successful when they find out what works for them. My only point is that there are different roads that take you to the same destination.
Sometimes it’s fun to play devil’s advocate you know…
Finally, people are getting the point.
You CAN’T discuss these laws.
Maybe it will click in more people’s heads.
lol so someone should just sticky
lift hard
eat enough
sleep enough
and call it a day
[quote]Scott M wrote:
FightingScott wrote:
DC Training does it.
Just cause I can’t help myself from commenting whenever someone mentions DC…
I don’t think we vary exercises, we pick the three best for each body part and rotate them and pound those exercises till we reach a strength plateau. Only then is it changed. If you could you’d stay with the same three best exercises for years. It’s not the variety really, it’s the progression. [/quote]
I just remember reading something from Dante instructing that the exercises should be changed every week or two. So you do Hammer Strength Rows for a while then you do Dumbbell Rows. Or you do Machine Hack Squats for the Widowmaker set for maybe the whole summer then you do Leg Press.
The fact that you cycle exercises at all is still important. Some people who follow the Westside Template may only use 4 variations of the Bench Press for years (Rotating 3 Board, Incline, Floor Press, and Reverse Band for Example)
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Champions can be made off of what can be written on the back of a postage stamp. Failures always need so much more communication.[/quote]
nuff said!
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Fulmen wrote:
- Eat in excess, but not too much.
- Lift heavy weight.
- Sleep and recover.
- Be consistent.
- Be progressive (add weight, etc) at consistent time intervals.
Discuss.
what is there to discuss? just do it. [/quote]
This should be rule 6.
[quote]Fulmen wrote:
Finally, people are getting the point.
You CAN’T discuss these laws.
Maybe it will click in more people’s heads.[/quote]
Its pretty easy to find people at the gym who will argue that you shouldn’t lift heavy, should eat minimally, and think for some reason that the Leg Press is the only exercise they need for their legs but they need 5 different curl variations in the same workout.
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
Fulmen wrote:
Finally, people are getting the point.
You CAN’T discuss these laws.
Maybe it will click in more people’s heads.
Its pretty easy to find people at the gym who will argue that you shouldn’t lift heavy, should eat minimally, and think for some reason that the Leg Press is the only exercise they need for their legs but they need 5 different curl variations in the same workout. [/quote]
definately. i see this guy coming in with what appears to be his two sons, hes skinny as shit, theyre skinny as shit. sometimes i just think…wow this guy wasted his whole lifting life because all he did was read mens health, never ate enough, did cardio for 2hrs a day, etc.
i think some are just cowards who dont want to work hard, who want to find an easy escape, a way they can talk themselves out of guilt. the way i see it is you can only truly be satisfied with failure if youve given everything you have. not everyone sees it that way. then i think theres some people who are just misinformed, they really want to do things right, maybe they take too much advice and messes with things or they just havent had anyone to show them.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
FightingScott wrote:
Fulmen wrote:
Finally, people are getting the point.
You CAN’T discuss these laws.
Maybe it will click in more people’s heads.
Its pretty easy to find people at the gym who will argue that you shouldn’t lift heavy, should eat minimally, and think for some reason that the Leg Press is the only exercise they need for their legs but they need 5 different curl variations in the same workout.
definately. i see this guy coming in with what appears to be his two sons, hes skinny as shit, theyre skinny as shit. sometimes i just think…wow this guy wasted his whole lifting life because all he did was read mens health, never ate enough, did cardio for 2hrs a day, etc.
i think some are just cowards who dont want to work hard, who want to find an easy escape, a way they can talk themselves out of guilt. the way i see it is you can only truly be satisfied with failure if youve given everything you have. not everyone sees it that way. then i think theres some people who are just misinformed, they really want to do things right, maybe they take too much advice and messes with things or they just havent had anyone to show them.[/quote]
Neat how this thread can now be related to my “What’s your Excuse?” thread.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
definately. i see this guy coming in with what appears to be his two sons, hes skinny as shit, theyre skinny as shit. sometimes i just think…wow this guy wasted his whole lifting life because all he did was read mens health, never ate enough, did cardio for 2hrs a day, etc.
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It seems like you’re assuming he has the same goals as you. Some people I’m sure, choose to be skinny as shit.
#1 Be Constitent (obvious)
Without this diet, intesity, workout…will never amount to shit