legalize drugs.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
legalize drugs. [/quote]
So would the guys standing on the corner for you be independent contractors or employees eligible for medical insurance?
What about the baggers and runners?
I would imagine the tax evasion cases would sky rocket, and the IRS would be the new DEA.
Portugal has decriminalized Drugs, and Portugal is STILL Portugal…Their still around and kickin’,
their society hasn’t imploded, and there’s no massive news stories coming out of there related to that issue,
none really at all…crickets…not a big deal…it’s time we try that.
Portugal
Population - 11 million or so
Land area - 35.5k square miles
US
Population - 310 million or so
Land Area - 3.8 million square miles
We can ignore religious mix differences, age differences, culture differences and all that.
Yeah, things that work for a nation smaller than New York City should work for our entire nation. Get conclusion to jump to.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Portugal
Population - 11 million or so
Land area - 35.5k square miles
US
Population - 310 million or so
Land Area - 3.8 million square miles
We can ignore religious mix differences, age differences, culture differences and all that.
Yeah, things that work for a nation smaller than New York City should work for our entire nation. Get conclusion to jump to.
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How has size anything to do with it?
In fact, being so much bigger, you should have given up sooner.
Yeah what the fuck does SIZE have to do with it?
People are People, and Portugal’s the World’s petri dish for drug decriminalization,
and once again, their Society hasn’t imploded, they are still Portugal, still functional, and all the naysayers
that predicted all this would be the end of Portugal and drug use would skyrocket there were wrong.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
The United States is currently 3rd in Murders throughout the World .
But if you take out Chicago , Detroit , Washington DC , and New Orleans , the United States is 4th from the Bottom for Murders.
These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the United States .
And all 4 Cities are controlled by liberal Democrats.
However – It probably would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data.[/quote]
Gun laws really rile their base up, it’s like gay marriage with conservatives. They just pat themselves on the back and move goal posts. I think they’re a little too PC to admit that the shithole neighborhoods are responsible for so much of the violence too.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Disarming a populace is a horrible idea so long as the bad guys still have access to firearms. You create easier victims. So long as our borders are open, bad guys will continue to get illegal things. I will not give up my right to bare arms (snicker). I hunt and I will protect my family and my own. If/when that becomes a real risk I’m moving to Canadia.[/quote]
Moving to Canada is one of the easiest ways to lose your guns. The Great White North IS a disarmed populace for all practical purposes, certain hunting weapons excluded.[/quote]
I don’t necessarily need an assault rifle (hehe), but as the West has all but been settled, I figured Canada still has enough open territory I can play Jeremiah Johnson with my Hawken Rifle. Maybe even skin some Grizz!
Alaskan wolf. The man in this picture is six-foot-four.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Disarming a populace is a horrible idea so long as the bad guys still have access to firearms. You create easier victims. So long as our borders are open, bad guys will continue to get illegal things. I will not give up my right to bare arms (snicker). I hunt and I will protect my family and my own. If/when that becomes a real risk I’m moving to Canadia.[/quote]
Moving to Canada is one of the easiest ways to lose your guns. The Great White North IS a disarmed populace for all practical purposes, certain hunting weapons excluded.[/quote]
I don’t necessarily need an assault rifle (hehe), but as the West has all but been settled, I figured Canada still has enough open territory I can play Jeremiah Johnson with my Hawken Rifle. Maybe even skin some Grizz![/quote]
Canadian gun laws are not as bad as all that. You could have an M1A, or a FAL, or an HK, an AR or an AK, as long as the barrel was long enough and the magazine holds only 10 rounds. And even then there are exceptions. Sure he laws are restrictive compared say to Vermont or Montana, but nowhere near as restrictive as New Jersey or New York or even California. They are a bit sticky about handguns, but again not as bad as some American states.
A more basic question though, Quasi, is why do you keep saying “Canada” when Alaska is right there, has just as much open territory and wilderness, even bigger bears, better fishing than anywhere in the lower 48, and wolves. Plenty of wolves, and bigger and badder than those little wimpy wolves they have in Montana.
As an aside, I seem to remember Push saying somewhere that he’s a distant relative of Jeremiah Johnson. Which stands perfectly to reason.
I was looking into a Bear Hunt for my father in I that’s in Canada. All you need to hunt wolves is a small game license! Yes please.
Trouble now is getting him to be willing to fly, because the drive would be a long freakin’ way. Hard to believe my father was in the Air Force and now hates flying. Said he did enough while in.
As far as Alaska, its on the other side of the country from me. I suppose if I were going to completely pick up and move it wouldn’t be a big deal, but that’s a long way to go to hunt for a couple weekends. Along those lines though, I’d only move if I could find a job prior to. I can easily find land in Ontario just a few hours north of me now, and still be within driving distance to my family in PA. I only get so much vacation, plane tickets aren’t cheap (though I wonder how many free tickets I’ll have from frequent flyer miles back and forth to Japan), and Alaska is still governed by the US. So if they restrict guns for all of the USA, unless those wildcats start a revolution or militia - which they very well could - I imagine they will also be subject to the same laws. And the snow they get is a bit intimidating, figure wilderness, you get snowed in on 1 week vacation… you’re up creek without a paddle.
Also, if Push is related to JJ, that’s freakin’ awesome! Sad what happened to his family though. That movie and Josey Wales are probably two of the movies my father and I quote most when hunting. Good times.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Yep[/quote]
Wolveriiiiiiines!
Wait…
[quote]Karado wrote:
Ok then, we’ll let the bodies pile up in the Morgue as opposed to let other’s feelings get hurt,
the founding fathers were smart, but they never foresaw out of control City violence…so I’m for stop and frisk.[/quote]
No. For a guy who is solidly wesring his government conspiracy/control/overreach/mind control tin hats to just lighten up and say-“oh well im fine giving up some more liberty so that I feel safe” is the absolute height of incoherence and/or rank foolishness. And if its that foolsih for you, it is doubly foolish for everyone else.
I don’t want any bodies piling up. I want the murder rates to go down. But I am positively unwilling to give up my freedom to the government. Ben Fanklin was right then as well as now.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Portugal
Population - 11 million or so
Land area - 35.5k square miles
US
Population - 310 million or so
Land Area - 3.8 million square miles
We can ignore religious mix differences, age differences, culture differences and all that.
Yeah, things that work for a nation smaller than New York City should work for our entire nation. Get conclusion to jump to.
[/quote]
How has size anything to do with it?
In fact, being so much bigger, you should have given up sooner. [/quote]
I’m not pro-drug war, just so we are clear.
All I’m saying is adopting a model that “worked” for a country smaller than one of our cities and much more homogeneous than our population may not work out the same way here as it did there.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Yep[/quote]
I remember when this happened, I was a junior in high school.
Cops refused to go into the “hot zone” when people were looting and rioting, so it seems having a gun on your person was the only way to make sure you were not taken off the map that night.
I’m fine with the bodies piling up so long as it was the bad guys getting the body bags and good citizens utilizing their rights to defend themselves and “stand their ground.” We could use a good pruning of the dead wood.
Unfortunately, that won’t happen. The folks still left in those cities are more than likely trying to save it (or stuck) and will likely just become victims themselves, either to crime or taxation.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I’m fine with the bodies piling up so long as it was the bad guys getting the body bags and good citizens utilizing their rights to defend themselves and “stand their ground.” We could use a good pruning of the dead wood.
Unfortunately, that won’t happen. The folks still left in those cities are more than likely trying to save it (or stuck) and will likely just become victims themselves, either to crime or taxation.[/quote]
Well it certainly won’t happen with restrictive gun laws in the cities to hamstring law abiding citizens ACTUALLY carrying their 2nd Amendment rights through.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I’m fine with the bodies piling up so long as it was the bad guys getting the body bags and good citizens utilizing their rights to defend themselves and “stand their ground.” We could use a good pruning of the dead wood.
Unfortunately, that won’t happen. The folks still left in those cities are more than likely trying to save it (or stuck) and will likely just become victims themselves, either to crime or taxation.[/quote]
Well it certainly won’t happen with restrictive gun laws in the cities to hamstring law abiding citizens ACTUALLY carrying their 2nd Amendment rights through.[/quote]
The thing that people don’t get is that the people who carry out the attacks don’t care about the law. Making it harder for me to get a gun isn’t going to stop a maniac from shooting up a school, a mall, or anything else.
It’s actually armed citizens who have the best shot at mitigating the damage.
D.C. has the worst gun laws in the nation, dude shot the place up anyway. Maniacs are still afraid of armed resistance.
I like Joe Bidens I idea, get shotgun. What a great idea. That way you can take out more people per shot. So I guess it’s cool if some nut goes around shooting people with a shotgun. Instead of the tiny .22 rounds fired by an AR15, you get a spray of pellets that will take out a person in one shot. Or a giant hole with a slug. You have a better shot at living if your hit with a .22, than a shotgun. As long as the bullet misses vitals, you will live.
If obama really gave a fuck about children he would end abortion. Sandyhook is nothing compared to the 1.2 million people he approves of getting murdered every year. This bullshit isn’t about ‘children’ is using dead bodies to forward his personal agenda which he had prior to the tragedies. He is the ultimate hypocrite.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
The United States is currently 3rd in Murders throughout the World .
But if you take out Chicago , Detroit , Washington DC , and New Orleans , the United States is 4th from the Bottom for Murders.
These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the United States .
And all 4 Cities are controlled by liberal Democrats.
However – It probably would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data.[/quote]
References?
Since when does Detroit have tough gun control laws?
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It was taken from a political analyst off of CNN this morning during breakfast…I will try and find the link on YouTube.[/quote]
That is alright, my point was more that they are talking out their ass. Detroit doesn’t have any stricter gun laws than the rest of the state and Michigan is a SHALL issue and open carry state. If you can afford the permit to conceal carry or don’t mind open carry there are only a select few places you cannot go armed in Detroit legally.
[/quote]
Fair enough.
The problem is these cities have vastly disproportionate murder numbers than the rest of the country.
The question is…why?
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Perfect Storm of population density, drugs, illegal immigration, easy access to guns and low income.