I’ve been reading that test propionate will give the least water bloat leading up to a bodybuilding competition and it is the preferred test to run leading up to a show.
On another test, I’ve read that Sustanon sucks and is great, that it is all a matter of preference. My question here is, how bad is the water bloat from the long estered tests in Sustanon? Can the bloat from it be controlled if Sustanon was taken up to a show? Or is Sustanon better used in the off season during a bulk cycle?
Another question would be, if using Arimidex throughout the cycle can the water be controlled here? Would adding another compound such as tren, mast, winny, etc help with getting/staying lean the day of the show as far as controlling the water/fat sides of test?
I am planning a cycle leading up to a show in december and am lining things out. I am in no rush and if I do it, I will have my research done and everything done properly, no shortcuts or shortchanging.
On the shortchanging side and the whole reason for this post, Sustanon is available really cheap and easier to obtain than propionate right now. So hopefully that last sentence explains the rest of the “book” I just wrote
Thanks for the help guys, any other advice/discussion would be great. I’m researching, and here to learn.
Be careful not to confuse Sust250 and Suspension. Both of which can be called sus. Suspension is nearly 100% pure test. It has its own set of demons and difficulties to be sure but it has been used successfully by BB’s pre-contest
well i have yet to take prop so i cant really tell you a difference between that and other test. I can say if u wanna search for my old precontest log there are some pics on there of the night before and day of my show, which is me on 1g testC along with winny,prov,lasix. I was dry but could of been dryer. This could be my fault in not getting quite lean enough or the test. Im not sure, and i really dont have the pre contest aas experience to really give a educated conclusion. Trial by error i guess.
Im about to start using some sust for off season. I have a lot of it so i sure hope it dosent hurt lol
Hey thanks guys! I’m in the process of throwing a cycle together and it will be leading to my next show in december. It will involve sustanon. As soon as I “think” I get it figured out I’ll run it in this thread and see what you guys think.
So still researching but have come up with this so far…
Weeks 1-10: Sust 500mg/week shot eod
Weeks 5-9: Tren Ace 50mg ed (4 weeks)
Weeks 1-10: Adex .25mg eod can be bumped if needed
Nolva PCT.
Some questions for this are:
Some taper Nolva, I found a 40/40/20/20 and some say 20mg ed for 4 weeks, which do you think is better?
Sustanon contains isocaproate and decanoate esters (sp?) to my understanding these are long esters, what is the clearance time on these before I’d start the Nolvadex?
I have the tren for 4 weeks, I can do 6, any opinions on this?
Bromocriptine is a pain in the a$$ to get so I might be stuck with b-6. I don’t like this idea because of b-6 affects on the brain stem, but any other advice. Caber or Bromo I know is the best, but it is unavailable right now.
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Thanks guys, remember I’m still in the researching process and these are some questions I’ve gotten so far.
I really don’t think you are going to need tren in your very first cycle. Let the test do it’s work. I promise you, promise you, you will be more than satisfied.
As far as your original question, I’ve never tried sustanon but I certainly don’t feel I’m having any problem with prop right now, and my personal feeling is that you would get more out of a prop cycle run an equal amount of time because you are not going to achieve full blood levels of test on sus for a few weeks, whereas with prop in little over a week you are pretty well maxed out.
That said, being that it is going to be your first cycle it probably won’t make that much of a difference.
I’ve been thinking about the tren a lot. It’s hard as somebody new to not take it being I already have it, but I have to force myself to trust in your advice as well as the advice of many others on running test only as a first cycle.
I would choose prop but it’s easier and cheaper for me to get sustanon where I am.
Thanks again for the help. I’ll keep everybody posted.
[quote]Prisoner wrote:
10 days out, drop the prop and go into the show just on the oral winny.
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Hey Pris, I’ve heard you recommend this before, and I’m curious what your reasoning is behind this. Would you mind explaining? Is it to remove all aromatising AAS from your system so that you can achieve the driest look possible, or do you have some other reason in mind?
What if you ran the sust for weeks 1-7 then switch over to prop leading into your show. then follow what prisoner said about dropping the prop 10 days out and just run the winstrol into the show. that way you wouldnt have to worry about finding alot of prop.
[quote]p-dub wrote:
What if you ran the sust for weeks 1-7 then switch over to prop leading into your show. then follow what prisoner said about dropping the prop 10 days out and just run the winstrol into the show. that way you wouldnt have to worry about finding alot of prop.[/quote]
I’ve actually been thinking about this. I have enough prop on hand to run the last week or so.
Prop is ideal but just unavailable. Man if only this stuff were legal it’d probably be safer for others to use and our physiques could be that much better lol.
and the whole reason for this post, Sustanon is available really cheap and easier to obtain than propionate right now. So hopefully that last sentence explains the rest of the “book” I just wrote