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[quote]orion wrote:
JPBear wrote:
You want to be your own god.

I never understood that…

I do not want to be my own God, I have to be because there seems to be nothing else out there…

How that is preferable to give in to fairy tales, I honestly don?t know…

It is easy to believe in God, it is hard to face a reality where there is no God and human beings are the ultimate judges…

Thank God I have so much faith in human reason or else I might despair…

Yup, we are that inmature and childish that we want to be our own Gods…

You can do better than that…[/quote]

God has made Himself plain to us through the universe around us and the fact that we as humans are capable of reason. Even if you believe in evolution, you still cannot answer where the original mater came from that set the evolution of the universe in motion. Was it always there? Then you believe in the eternal. Do you believe that it came from nothing? Than you have a stronger faith than I do.

I didn’t say anyone was childish or immature. I said certain people are too prideful to bow down to another being.

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[quote]kroby wrote:
JPBear, instead of trying to debate with us that your belief system is the only and correct one, why don’t you just say we’re all crazy and be done with it? We can still be friends even if I’m/we’re crazy.

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Okey dokey,

You’re all crazy!!!

I said all I wanted to say and now I’m done.

Of course we can still be friends. Everyone needs some crazy friends.

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[quote]JPBear wrote:
Even if you believe in evolution, you still cannot answer where the original mater came from that set the evolution of the universe in motion.[/quote]

God created Evolution. This, however, is a secret, JPBear. Don’t tell anyone.

[quote]JPBear wrote:
I didn’t say anyone was childish or immature. I said certain people are too prideful to bow down to another being.
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Bow down? God and I walk side by side. Equal partners in this existence. Respect is both given and received. That is one of the ways I honor God.

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Hey guys, I just thought its about time I popped in and said something.

First of all, I am God.

Second of all, quit talking shit about me. Especially you Harris, you know I hate gays and would never suck a dick.

That is all, carry on.

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[quote]JPBear wrote:
I didn’t say anyone was childish or immature. I said certain people are too prideful to bow down to another being.
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“Certain people”?

Have you forgotten my name already?

Well, JP, if you have actually read all nine hundred of my posts and have taken the time and effort to extrapolate a three-dimensional model of my belief system and moral code from what I have, as my Internet persona, chosen to put into print, then I must commend you. You’re crazier than the rest of us.

V

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[quote]StevenF wrote:

…I am God.

That is all, carry on.
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Indeed

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
JPBear wrote:
I didn’t say anyone was childish or immature. I said certain people are too prideful to bow down to another being.

“Certain people”?

Have you forgotten my name already?

Well, JP, if you have actually read all nine hundred of my posts and have taken the time and effort to extrapolate a three-dimensional model of my belief system and moral code from what I have, as my Internet persona, chosen to put into print, then I must commend you. You’re crazier than the rest of us.

V[/quote]

I’m sorry, but I don’t find you mysterious or complicated.

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[quote]JPBear wrote:

I’m sorry, but I don’t find you mysterious or complicated. [/quote]

Thank you, my dear. Likewise, I’m sure.

V

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

I love lesbians. [/quote]

Apparently, lesbians do not love man juice. I just learned that, and I thought I’d pass it along. Thanks, Sabrina.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
JPBear wrote:
Besides, my post was completely on topic. Several people had commented that calling sin sin is un-Christian. I was just wanted everyone to understand what Christianity is about, since so many seem to believe that God does not judge.

Yeah, I think your post was somewhat relevent and on topic. I’d just rather not to hear it since I prefer the gods of Mount Olympus.

Anyway, you know what I find fascinating? That so many people can read the bible and interpret in so many different ways. Is it really that vague and ambiguous?

Zeus rocks,
Toddy[/quote]

Thor would kick his ass.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
This is a bit of a highjack, but just what is it with great religions and sheep?

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But I will never be a sheep.[/quote]

I have always been proud to be a black sheep.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
malonetd wrote:
JPBear wrote:

In order to prove a Biblical inconsistency you would have to show me one passage that contradicts another. You have not done that.

There are many contradictions and inconsistencies in the Bible. Give me time to break out my copy and I will point some out to you.

You’re late!

:wink:

Check the link four posts above yours. [/quote]

What’s this? Are we now even from the Simpsons thread?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
This is a bit of a highjack, but just what is it with great religions and sheep?

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But I will never be a sheep.

I have always been proud to be a black sheep.[/quote]

Which one are you?

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
This is a bit of a highjack, but just what is it with great religions and sheep?

…

But I will never be a sheep.

I have always been proud to be a black sheep.

Which one are you?[/quote]

Fuck y’all. I still have that cd somewhere around here.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
This is a bit of a highjack, but just what is it with great religions and sheep?

…

But I will never be a sheep.

I have always been proud to be a black sheep.

Which one are you?

Fuck y’all. I still have that cd somewhere around here.[/quote]

So do I.
You can get with this
Or you can get with that

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Man this thread started off talking about lesbians, and now its on the Bible.

I love lesbians. [/quote]

Hopefully, you’re not talking ‘Rosie O’Donnell’ here. She looks like my pitbull. :slight_smile:

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JPbear, I’ve been thinking about it for a while, and I think you are very arrogant in your humility. You are essentially saying “you’re doing it wrong” when it comes to God and religion. Honestly, can’t you see that YOU could be wrong?

This arrogance is very natural, I think. I struggle with it all the time. I am muslim, and not long ago I lived in a house with a couple of other muslim guys. It took all the strength I had not to tell them they were terribly misinterpreting the Qur’an. Of course, sometimes they questioned why I was doing (or not doing) something, and at these times, I would pull out my translation and show them why. They were free to agree or disagree with me. But if I went up to them, and forced my beliefs on them, what if I make a mistake? I’m human, and there is no doubt I make mistakes all the time.

Regarding your views on God and the bible, I disagree with you. But the Qur’an teaches me to tell you that your ways are different from mine; unto you your way and unto me, mine. That is, I have no business trying to convince you of my beliefs. The best I can do is live life as well as possible, and hope it inspires others to live their lives better as well. And regarding our beliefs, I genuinely hope that whomever among us is wrong sees it, and changes. And while I hope I’m the one that’s right, I would be foolish to presume that to be true.

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[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
JPbear, I’ve been thinking about it for a while, and I think you are very arrogant in your humility. You are essentially saying “you’re doing it wrong” when it comes to God and religion. Honestly, can’t you see that YOU could be wrong?

This arrogance is very natural, I think. I struggle with it all the time. I am muslim, and not long ago I lived in a house with a couple of other muslim guys. It took all the strength I had not to tell them they were terribly misinterpreting the Qur’an. Of course, sometimes they questioned why I was doing (or not doing) something, and at these times, I would pull out my translation and show them why. They were free to agree or disagree with me. But if I went up to them, and forced my beliefs on them, what if I make a mistake? I’m human, and there is no doubt I make mistakes all the time.

Regarding your views on God and the bible, I disagree with you. But the Qur’an teaches me to tell you that your ways are different from mine; unto you your way and unto me, mine. That is, I have no business trying to convince you of my beliefs. The best I can do is live life as well as possible, and hope it inspires others to live their lives better as well. And regarding our beliefs, I genuinely hope that whomever among us is wrong sees it, and changes. And while I hope I’m the one that’s right, I would be foolish to presume that to be true.[/quote]

Thanks for the very civil and well thought out discussion.

I understand why you would see things this way, but there is a very big difference between you and me. You hope you are right, but I know I am right. I have found the truth, and there is only one truth. My search for truth is over because I have found it. I am not proud of myself for this, as the Apostle Paul said, I will only boast of my Lord. Jesus commanded his followers to go into all the world and tell everyone the good news about him. That is what I am doing. You may see this as arrogance, but really I don’t want any of you to go to hell. Can you imagine if I knew the one way to escape hell and I was too afraid or complacent to bother telling you? Do you think I don’t know how unpopular my statements make me?

As for your comment about inspiring others to live their lives better, that is not what Christianity is about. Christianity is realizing our sinful state, understanding we could never please God, and putting our trust in Jesus to save us. This will naturally produce a deep hatred for sin and changes in the Christian’s life, but that is only the result of faith, not the cause of salvation.

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JPBear, you’ve piqued my interest. In my sincere attemps to understand exactly where you stand - and it is my impression it is very cut and dry; black and white - may I ask you some questions? I have this opportunity to peek under the covers, as it were. I will preface this by stating right here and now, that I will at no time attempt to dissuade or poo-poo you of your convictions.

Your particular brand of Christianity; are the others wrong?
Are all other religions wrong?
Are all that profess these other religions destined and doomed to eternal Hell?
Is God All Mighty and All Powerful?
If God is the aformentioned, does He not have power over Hell?
Who is, in fact, in charge of Hell?

I may have more questions, and I wish to be able to ask these, again, with the same respect. I thank you for your answers and for this opportunity.

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[quote]JPBear wrote:

Thanks for the very civil and well thought out discussion.

I understand why you would see things this way, but there is a very big difference between you and me. You hope you are right, but I know I am right. I have found the truth, and there is only one truth. My search for truth is over because I have found it. I am not proud of myself for this, as the Apostle Paul said, I will only boast of my Lord. Jesus commanded his followers to go into all the world and tell everyone the good news about him. That is what I am doing. You may see this as arrogance, but really I don’t want any of you to go to hell. Can you imagine if I knew the one way to escape hell and I was too afraid or complacent to bother telling you? Do you think I don’t know how unpopular my statements make me?

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Do you feel your level of understanding will never increase? Don’t you notice something new every time you read the Bible? Haven’t you repeatedly discovered things you never knew before? To say that you KNOW you are right means you understand everything completely. This tells me two things: 1) you feel you have a full understanding of God, which I honestly find blasphemous, but that’s just my opinion, and 2) you are shutting yourself down from growth. Forever. With that attititude, you can never improve. You will never be right until you start to consider that you might be wrong.

I have a big fat ego, and I like to be thought of as an exceptionally strong and decisive person, so I always do this contemplating in private. If that’s what you do as well, that’s fine. But honestly, after most arguments, I take some time to sit down and seriously consider if I am wrong. Most times, I decide I’m not, but sometimes I am. Acknowledging (even privately) the times I am wrong helps me be right more often in the future.

This is a very big issue I have with Islam. There are a lot of ideas that are passed from generation to generation that are simply un-Qur’an-ic, but in order to realize this, Muslims would have to consider that maybe they’ve intrepreted something wrong in the past. I think to read it with fresh eyes every time is extremely important, and anything short of that, I feel, is pride and arrogance.

This is understandable, since we are working with different paradigms. You seem to believe Jesus was God, whereas I believe he was a prophet. And while I think the Qur’an teaches that ascribing partners to God is blaspheme, the Qur’an also seems to say that true christians are going to receive God’s mercy, so I have no reason to argue. On this point, unto you your way and unto me, mine :slight_smile: