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JPBear, the God in your Bible is a mean, petty, spiteful insecure entity. Why else would “He” torment “His” children, when they in fact belong to “Him?” Allow me to offer you a second choice. God is the Alpha and Omega. The All. Existence belongs to God. God is a part of us all, and we are all a part of God. There can be no separation between us. It is through us that God partakes of Being.

There is knowing and experiencing. It is through us that God experiences what God knows but cannot experience. Once we are finished experiencing this reality, God takes us in. Thus completing the circle and becoming whole once again, sharing all the feelings and experiences that have been afforded by Gods Creation.

Why would God refuse or banish a part of God? This state simply cannot be. To conjecture salvation only through Jesus makes God out to be petty. Do you mean to tell me that the Dalai Lama, with all the peace and harmony this man embodies, will not once again reunite with God? Simply for not believing that Jesus is the one and only son of God?

There is a simple equasion that I’d find too hard for anyone to prove false. Check this out…

God = Love

Everything else falls away as love trumps all. There is no judgement that overshadows this simple yet accurate proof. Now, can you tell me that God can turn away and still be Love? Or is God not love? This is the crucible, JPBear.

Varqanir, where did this thread go? All of a sudden, I’m debating theology. What the hell were we talking about earlier? It sure was more fun than this.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
JP, question.

Somewhere in the Bible it also says for Christians not to divorce their spouses if they are not Christians, and I think it says something to the effect that the spouses will be saved by the beleif of the christian spouse. true or untrue?

Hey, now, let’s not get into biblical inconsistencies here. The book of Leviticus says that it is an abomination to touch the skin of a pig… what would that do to American football?

And not touching a menstruating woman? I think Nate Dogg, WideGuy and I would be on the next bus to hell if that law was still being enforced.[/quote]

I have enough red wings to take off and fly. and bacon is REALLY good.

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[quote]kroby wrote:

What the hell were we talking about earlier? [/quote]

Creampies.

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[quote]kroby wrote:
What the hell were we talking about earlier? It sure was more fun than this. [/quote]

Cream pies.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
Zeus rocks
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I still think Odin could kick his ass!

:wink:

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I have twisted your mind

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[quote]vroom wrote:

JP,

If you’ll quote the entire sentence, instead of the first half alone, then I said so.
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Since you seem to be sensitive about it, I will henceforth quote your entire posts back to you.

Anti-productive in what way? What have all of your political discussions produced? Why is this topic so offensive and threatening to you that you would ask me to never speak of it?

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Anyway, I’ll thank you to allow me to have an opinion on the matter as well.[/quote]

Of course you can have an opinion. I never asked you not to post.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
Anyway, you know what I find fascinating? That so many people can read the bible and interpret in so many different ways. Is it really that vague and ambiguous?
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No, the Bible is quite clear on those things that God wants us to know. There are some things that different Christians differ on, but those things are neither central nor important. God did not desire to give us full knowledge here on earth, but he has been extremely clear about those things that we need to know.

Have you ever read the Bible?

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[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
JP, question.

Somewhere in the Bible it also says for Christians not to divorce their spouses if they are not Christians, and I think it says something to the effect that the spouses will be saved by the beleif of the christian spouse. true or untrue?[/quote]

You are referring to 1 Peter 3 1-2. The passage does not say that the husband will be saved by the faith of the spouse, but that the best way to bring an unbelieving husband to obedience is by living a godly life, and that the husband will be won over by observing his wife’s conduct.

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This is a bit of a highjack, but just what is it with great religions and sheep?

I mean, think of the three major religions in the world today. You’ve got Islam, which was started by an illiterate Arab dude (salla Allahu 'alaihi wa sallam) who had been tending sheep since he was six years old. You’ve got Judaism, that was started by a guy who chased a sheep up a hill and found God hanging out in a bush.

And both of these guys were descended from another guy who was like a sheep magnate, whose sons opened sheep franchises spanning from Babylon to Egypt, and who would have slit his own son’s throat on the altar of God if not for the timely arrival of…you guessed it, a sheep.

Christianity? Well, here’s where we run into a snag, because this guy was a carpenter, but he was born in a barn, and there were whole shitloads of sheep in it, you just know. And then, and this is the good part: the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Immaculately Conceived of a Virgin has just been born, and who gets the news first? Not the Emperor, not the King, not CNN or even the National Enquirer…no, the Angels of the Lord come down in all their glory and splendor and tell…a bunch of guys herding SHEEP!!

And then when this guy is all grown up and stars gaining a following, what is he called? The Good Shepherd. The Lamb of God. Again with the sheep!

“Do you love me, Peter?”
“Yes Lord, you know I do.”

(Shut up, Harris! Don’t start)

“Look after my sheep.” SHEEP!

Buddhism? Hmm. Well, old Gautama was a prince, so he probably had very little hands-on sheep experience. HOWEVER…there is the story of the Buddha wandering along, seeing a flock of sheep being herded into the city to be sacrificed, and getting them all pardoned by the king, so you know the guy had a soft spot for sheep.

The Greek Gods? This is a no-brainer. The first peple to ever worship them were sheep herders. Plus you’ve got one of the greatest heroes, Jason, gathering together all of the other great heroes, sticking them on a boat, and sailing off to face mortal peril in search of the greatest object in the world, a magical, golden skin of…a sheep.

So there you have it. Religion and sheep are inextricably linked. A protestant minister is known as a “Pastor”, which derives from a latin word for a sheep herder, and his congregation (a word deriving from a Latin verb meaning “to gather into a flock”) is known as his “flock.”

I’m pretty fond of Yahweh, myself. I think he’s a pretty cool dude. And Jesus? He’s all right by me. Zeus, Odin, Thor and Apollo would be good to be friends with in a tight spot, and Dionysus would be the ultimate drinking buddy. Hell, I’d hang out with Gautama and Moses, and Muhammed, too, if he’d just chill a bit.

But I will never be a sheep.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
JP, question.

Somewhere in the Bible it also says for Christians not to divorce their spouses if they are not Christians, and I think it says something to the effect that the spouses will be saved by the beleif of the christian spouse. true or untrue?

Hey, now, let’s not get into biblical inconsistencies here. The book of Leviticus says that it is an abomination to touch the skin of a pig… what would that do to American football?

And not touching a menstruating woman? I think Nate Dogg, WideGuy and I would be on the next bus to hell if that law was still being enforced.[/quote]

In order to prove a Biblical inconsistency you would have to show me one passage that contradicts another. You have not done that.

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I am soooo fucking glad that I was out of the country for 3 days and missed this shitstorm of intellectual gobillygook.

I see there really is a God in heaven and he likes me.

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Kroby,

There is no second choice. You cannot just create a god that suits your idea of who god should be. Well, I guess you can, as most people do, but it will not do you much good.

Where did you come up with this god=love and we are all god idea?

The reason that you see God as unfair is that you don’t see yourself as sinful and unworthy of God’s love. God has loved us in spite of this, sending the Savior.

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[quote]JPBear wrote:

In order to prove a Biblical inconsistency you would have to show me one passage that contradicts another. You have not done that.

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Oh, why settle for one?

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HOW THE HELL DID THIS GET TO THIS.

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[quote]JPBear wrote:
The reason that you see God as unfair is that you don’t see yourself as sinful and unworthy of God’s love. God has loved us in spite of this, sending the Savior.
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Unfair? Unfair? I said your God is insecure.

Unworthy of God’s love? Are you telling me you feel unworthy of God’s love?

JP, I love you, but that is totally fucked UP! I am worthy and blessed in my acceptance of God’s love. For you to presume otherwise… is hypocritical of your previous statemens regarding judgement.

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[quote]JPBear wrote:

Where did you come up with this god=love and we are all god idea?

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1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

How is that for truth?

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[quote]JPBear wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Anyway, you know what I find fascinating? That so many people can read the bible and interpret in so many different ways. Is it really that vague and ambiguous?

No, the Bible is quite clear on those things that God wants us to know. There are some things that different Christians differ on, but those things are neither central nor important. God did not desire to give us full knowledge here on earth, but he has been extremely clear about those things that we need to know.

Have you ever read the Bible?
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I guess it depends what you think God wants or needs people to know. And yes I have read the Bible, not recently and mostly Old Testament.

[quote]In order to prove a Biblical inconsistency you would have to show me one passage that contradicts another. You have not done that.
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There are many contradictions and inconsistencies in the Bible. Give me time to break out my copy and I will point some out to you.

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Yeah how did such a great thread with such excellent potential lower itself to this level?!

:smiley:

[quote]miniross wrote:
HOW THE HELL DID THIS GET TO THIS.[/quote]

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[quote]JPBear wrote:
Kroby,

There is no second choice. You cannot just create a god that suits your idea of who god should be. Well, I guess you can, as most people do, but it will not do you much good.

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And you can create a God that suits your idea of who God should be? By following a collection of words written by MAN? This is as preposterous as my assertion of what God is. Again, you determine what’s right and wrong for God to be, and that’s me being wrong?? Bah!

Shit, Varqanir, that was a sheep sound that just escaped my keyboard!