You Vs. a Pit Bull

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
Scotacus wrote:
Iow, there should be tight restrictions placed on ownership.

In many states and counties, there are serious restrictions and regulations on ownership. I had to go through so much extra work and jump through so many hoops to get my dog. I had to do things I wouldn’t have to do had I owned a Rot or Shepherd or Husky, which are all just as dangerous if not more.

But the problem with the regulations is that it doesn’t matter. Responsible owners while complain yet comply with the ridiculous laws. Owners that don’t care are just going to get their “tough and mean” pit and ignore regulations. And they likely will get their “pitbull” from a shady backyard breeder which means their dog is really some mutt with bully features that is breed to be mean.

It is also somewhat disingenuous and beside the point to go on and on about how cuddly the damn things are. Owners dont get pit bulls or rotweilers because they are cuddly.

You’re right. Responsible owners get them because of their intelligence and athleticism. Irresponsible owners get them because the media sensationalizes them as badass and invincible dogs.[/quote]

Ive also read that apparently it is much harder to get insurance for these animals. However, again, “trailer-trash” sorts will not be concerned about that.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:

Also, the chances of survival are very high. Hell, little kids survive attacks all the time.

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Because the dogs lost interest or were distracted, obviously not because the kids beat them off (now that didnt come out right!)

Hey! Maybe thats another sure-fire tactic! I would think a finger up the ass would just make it madder, but a quick handjob… who can resist??

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[quote]EG wrote:
yeah pit bulls might be strong
but are they FUNCTIONAL[/quote]

I assure you Baby Face Finster, named after the famed Bugs Bunny character, was quite functional indeed and had no problem towing my Caprice station wagon. I could put a man in a hold at bay and go out to dinner if I wanted to and he’d still be standing there when I got back. Unless he tried to get away. Then he’d be laying there =]

He would relentlessly pursue and apprehend a perp on threat or command, even up trees, and release and go into a military heel instantly as soon as I outed him. He could be beaten, slammed, kicked, electrically shocked, violently spun or shaken or have a high pressure hose blasted into his eyes with his only thought being getting a deeper bite after which he would bounce over and get loving praise from the school kids we did demonstrations for.

I miss him. He would be 17 this year. Who wouldn’t wanna chest like this guy huh?

http://gregnmary.gotdns.com/pix/Finster.jpg

I lost most of my pictures (long story), but still have this one.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Responsible owners get them because of their intelligence and athleticism. Irresponsible owners get them because the media sensationalizes them as badass and invincible dogs.

Seriously. People like TC and his wife are not the “average” pit bull owner. A good friend is an investment banker on Wall Street who gets all indignant at the pit bull stories. “Dude,” I tell him, “the problem ain’t the pit bulls owner by investment bankers.”

The average pit bull owner looks like something straight out of the trailer park. You can’t really be surprised when their dogs attack. But I don’t blame the breed: I blame the owners. Believe me, I am in favor of all sorts of laws that would ban those types of people. It would end a hell of a lot more problems than banning pit bulls.

But instead of addressing the real problem (trailer trash, and how to ban them from breeding), we deal with symptoms such as the damage done by their pit bulls.[/quote]

It can’t be denied that are higher numbers of attacks now by Pit…ish dogs than there once was. Unfortunately, the miscreants among us recognized the exceptional qualities of these animals and proceeded to exploit their unrelenting courage and athleticism thus producing a bastardized version that is now taken by the CNN brainwashed masses to represent this noble animal.

A WW1 era poster above:

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Tribulus:

Do you think that pet owners (since there isnt any reason to limit this to pit bulls alone) should answer for their animal’s actions (ie dog mauling to death a person = murder charge for owner)?

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Instinctively, I would kick the dog when he got in range. If he latched on to me, I would hope my survival instinct kicked in and I would slam him and knee him and do whatever needed to be done to get the dog off me.

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I’ve been in almost this exact situation. In my case, myself and two friends were taking a shortcut through a cemetary (foreshadowing?) when seemingly out of nowhere two dobermans appeared and intercepted us.

Immediately my two friends jumped up on top of the nearest large tombstone, leaving me face to face with the two dobermans. They were growling and barking and preparing to come at me (so it seemed anyway), when I reacted. I don’t know if it was stupidity or something else, but almost instinctually I barked right back at them as loud as I could–and by bark I mean literally bark…like a dog.

After about a minute of barking and feigning lunges at them, they ran away. Needless to say, I ragged on my friends quite a bit afterwards.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
EG wrote:
yeah pit bulls might be strong
but are they FUNCTIONAL

I assure you Baby Face Finster, named after the famed Bugs Bunny character, was quite functional indeed and had no problem towing my Caprice station wagon. I could put a man in a hold at bay and go out to dinner if I wanted to and he’d still be standing there when I got back. Unless he tried to get away. Then he’d be laying there =]

He would relentlessly pursue and apprehend a perp on threat or command, even up trees, and release and go into a military heel instantly as soon as I outed him. He could be beaten, slammed, kicked, electrically shocked, violently spun or shaken or have a high pressure hose blasted into his eyes with his only thought being getting a deeper bite after which he would bounce over and get loving praise from the school kids we did demonstrations for.

I miss him. He would be 17 this year. Who wouldn’t wanna chest like this guy huh?

http://gregnmary.gotdns.com/pix/Finster.jpg

I lost most of my pictures (long story), but still have this one.[/quote]

I love how pit owners always want to tell everyone just how lovable their dog is… right after or right before they go on and on bragging about how deadly they perceive their dog to be. Fucking lunatics.

Most people own these things because they think they are “bad ass”. I know Trib up there would like to pretend that all dog owners are some god damned dog whisperer, but the reality is that almost all dog owners are morons (including two of my neighbors that let their pit bulls run off leash in the apartment complex).

Even good dogs will snap sometimes. The difference when this happens is the extent of damage they can cause. My border collie can give you some nasty nips, but is very unlikely to cause extensive damage to the neighbors children (even on the off chance that she actually acted violently). But the story is much different for heavily muscled dogs like pit bulls. They can easily cause extensive damage to the people they attack.

And then these morons want to defend their purchase choices. They want to own what are essentially dangerous autonomous weapons (by their own description) within city bounds. Why? Because the dog is oh so nice. LOL. Go buy a damn lab, border collie, or some other animal with good temperament.

Then even in the off chance that your dog behaves badly no one will be too badly hurt. Or just admit you want the pit because its “bad ass” and that you have no good reason to own the animal.

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First off dogs are great, it is the way they are raised that makes them assholes or best friends. I will agree with some of the posters before that rotties are scary as hell if it’s not yours, I had a maybe 105 lb male that I raised from a puppy, loyal to no end. He chased after our cat once and got latched on, I was like 16 and saw it happening. I being the smart guy I am decided to run interference and jumped into him with a chokeOdoom…no bueno, I’ve got him full on locked and torquing my arms until I think my elbow is going to snap, dog is making gurgling death noises but isn’t stopping in the least.

Meanwhile the cat is literally blowing shit out its ass and somehow making its hair fly out like sky flowers on the 4th of July. I resort to repeated strikes to the balls, in retrospect this could have gone very bad for me, but he released and cat ran into a dark place(didnt die, no lasting injury). A dog out for blood is much scarier than a unarmed pissed guy, simply because there is no reasoning.

Ever watch any cops type of show where a guy in a wifebeater is acting hard and they release the dogs… he’s instantly screaming for help in a cowering puddle of used to be hardness.

Ok so there I am, street, ultradog from hell, no escape. I quickly fashion my pants into a turban and bow my head to him. My roundish head pops out of said turban leaving dog with a sort of “wtf mate?” look on his face. we laugh and have a beer, his in a bowl of course.

PS no way in hell would I try to bite a dog on the nose. boom its on my throat, and I’m dead when I could of just been bleeding all over a dead dog. Doing the bloody you got pwned dance.

I “usually” have my folder on me, I would jam it into its eye if I could…I have a feeling a slash to the throat wouldn’t be effective due to the fur. Hell if the blade could nic the optic chaism during the struggle we would have a blind ultradog at least.

Ok now lets do panthers, or sharks with laserbeams on their heads.

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Excellent point. Freezing in place saved my 5 y/o son’s life when he was attacked.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

It can’t be denied that are higher numbers of attacks now by Pit…ish dogs than there once was. Unfortunately, the miscreants among us recognized the exceptional qualities of these animals and proceeded to exploit their unrelenting courage and athleticism thus producing a bastardized version that is now taken by the CNN brainwashed masses to represent this noble animal.

A WW1 era poster above:[/quote]

Twenty years ago, thanks to movies like “Cujo” and “The Omen” the “problem dog” was the Rotweiler, before that it was the Doberman, and before that the German Shepard. The kind of owner whose dogs attack people get attracted to certain breeds, and so it appears that those breeds have become a problem, when it is actually the owners. A bad owner will raise a bad dog that would have attacked somebody whether it was a Pitbull, a Rotweiler, or a Labrador.

I understand how the owners of Pits would be insulted by threads like this that perpetuate negative stereo-type of their breed. But that stereo type isn’t the fault of the media, or an over estrogenized society or whatever boogey-man you want to blame for all the ills of the world. The stereo-type exists because pitbulls are responsible for more and more attacks. But this is the fault of bad owners, not of a bad breed.

So instead of lashing out at “the media” get involved locally, make sure your city or county government knows how you feel. Problem owners should get hammered with big fines and jail time if they raise vicious dogs, and they shouldn’t be allowed to own another dog.

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My cousins have a Staffie. I played with it when it was about a year old, and its jaw and neck were ridiculously strong. He’d grab hold of one end of his toy and I’d get the other, and I could swing him around. He wouldn’t let go until he wanted to.

And another thing, he didn’t feel pain. He’d get excited and run around the house and run straight into walls and doors and just bounce off. One time, he came racing down the stairs to greet me. At the third to last step, he slipped and faceplanted into the hardwood floor. He bounced up, gave a sniff, and kept running towards me. Fantastic, loyal dog. He follows my aunt around like he’s her bodyguard.

The bottom line is, though, with these types of dogs, they are strong and insistent.

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[quote]adubswils wrote:
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You’re an illiterate dumbass who’s inability to read is surpassed only by his willingness to spout misinformed idiocy. You know NAH-THING whatsoever, even peripherally, about the subject at hand and are either a top shelf example of our failed public education system or an unfortunate genetic accident who would be handily outwitted by our 4 legged friends.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
adubswils wrote:
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You’re an illiterate dumbass who’s inability to read is surpassed only by his willingness to spout misinformed idiocy. You know NAH-THING whatsoever, even peripherally, about the subject at hand and are either a top shelf example of our failed public education system or an unfortunate genetic accident who would be handily outwitted by our 4 legged friends.

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Yeah, I love having some dumbass speak for me out of ignorance on a public forum.

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Excellent article about Pit Bull attacks and profiling from The New Yorker:

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/02/06/060206fa_fact

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I would have to concur with Tribulus. The reason why people love these dogs are for the exact reason’s why others breeds don’t appeal to them. Read into the real breed history, before you spout ignorance. So for shit’s sake I will give you an example.

There was a farmer in South Africa that year after year kept losing part of his harvest to a pack of Baboons. So he tried some dogs, Started with Rotty’s, Dob’s, Labs, GSD’s, and a few others. Nothing worked, as the dogs would be easily killed by a pack of wild baboons. Baboons are one of the nastiest creatures in Africa for those that don’t know.

So a friend bought him a Pit bull, and he raised it. He loved the dog, and the family loved the dog. He said one night he remembers hearing the baboons coming through the fields and he then saw his dog tearing off from his side to go after them. He said he heard them all fight like nothing he had heard before. He knew it was bad, and the dog did not comeback.

BUT, the next morning when he went to see what happened he could’nt believe that 2 male baboons were dead, and a female was barely breathing with part of it’s chest cavity ripped open. It would die also. His dog was off to the side and he did die in the fight too. After that night the baboons have never comeback to his fields again. And this story was told over 6 years later. He now will only have Pitty’s.

Some of us understand, most will not.

It’s not about being bad ass, it’s about a dog and what they will do to help the family, or you at all costs. Hell most guy’s are Pussy’s anyways, I would trust bull breed more if it came down to it. And I do like how they have muscle (ironic eh) but I like more what they are about, absolute loyalty just like me.

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That’s badass, but if I were him I would have just shot the bastards a .375 H&H. As for the thread question, I’d ideally hope that I’d just happen to ahve one of my rifles with me and loaded so I could just shoot it, but because it’s nearly impossible to get a permit to carry hear I doubt that’d happen. I would try to either strangle it, gouge out its eyes, or snap its legs.

[quote]BodylinesFitness wrote:
I would have to concur with Tribulus. The reason why people love these dogs are for the exact reason’s why others breeds don’t appeal to them. Read into the real breed history, before you spout ignorance. So for shit’s sake I will give you an example.

There was a farmer in South Africa that year after year kept losing part of his harvest to a pack of Baboons. So he tried some dogs, Started with Rotty’s, Dob’s, Labs, GSD’s, and a few others. Nothing worked, as the dogs would be easily killed by a pack of wild baboons. Baboons are one of the nastiest creatures in Africa for those that don’t know.

So a friend bought him a Pit bull, and he raised it. He loved the dog, and the family loved the dog. He said one night he remembers hearing the baboons coming through the fields and he then saw his dog tearing off from his side to go after them. He said he heard them all fight like nothing he had heard before. He knew it was bad, and the dog did not comeback.

BUT, the next morning when he went to see what happened he could’nt believe that 2 male baboons were dead, and a female was barely breathing with part of it’s chest cavity ripped open. It would die also. His dog was off to the side and he did die in the fight too. After that night the baboons have never comeback to his fields again. And this story was told over 6 years later. He now will only have Pitty’s.

Some of us understand, most will not.

It’s not about being bad ass, it’s about a dog and what they will do to help the family, or you at all costs. Hell most guy’s are Pussy’s anyways, I would trust bull breed more if it came down to it. And I do like how they have muscle (ironic eh) but I like more what they are about, absolute loyalty just like me.[/quote]

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[quote]Scotacus wrote:
Tribulus:

Do you think that pet owners (since there isnt any reason to limit this to pit bulls alone) should answer for their animal’s actions (ie dog mauling to death a person = murder charge for owner)?[/quote]

It depends on the circumstances. Many of the cases are clearly provoked in the eyes of somebody who knows what they’re looking at. In those cases no, even in the case of children who’s parents are to blame.

In the case of irresponsible ownership meaning off their property offleash or in any case where the owner encouraged an unjustified attack yes.

I would even go so far as to say that where it can be proven that incompetent bite training had taken place, be it area or personal, harder to prove in area training, then yes in those cases as well.

I concede there has been an increase in irresponsible dog ownership over the last coupla decades as in many other areas of life as well. However, as in so many other cases, the politicians making the laws are entirely unqualified to so much as have an opinion on the issues they are making these laws about for society to live under.

There are some tough issues here, but what just kills me is the idiots who spout bullshit with the authoritative tone of Almighty God speaking to Moses from Sinai when they haven’t the first flickering clue what the hell they’re talking about.

Hear this once and for all. Any dog fit to do competent bite work is actually safer once the work is done. The drive has been conquered and harnessed. Any specimen of any working breed not suited to bite work for various reasons will never be AS safe regardless of what’s done with it.

Come on folks there has to be somebody else with some experience in this field to second me here. This is standard professional knowledge. Well bred, well trained working dogs are far more trustworthy and predictable than people in my experience.

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[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
Excellent article about Pit Bull attacks and profiling from The New Yorker:

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/02/06/060206fa_fact
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Pretty good indeed. It’s not often the poor chaps get a fair shake, but this was fair and startlingly informed compared to what is usually seen.

TC, I have a feeling you’re still lurking in this thread, give this article a whirl if you get a chance.

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Nevermind a pitbull, how about a boerboel? 160 lbs and only about 26" high herd dog.