This one is simple. Don’t try to stand-up with him. Ground and pound and if the opportunity arises, take him out by submission, paw-bar or something similar.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I know this is just a hypothetical scenario, but as someone who breeds pits, this really pisses me off. The last thing I [or anyone who know’s the breed] needs is someone else perpetuating the “evil pit” myth.
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I’m not trying to perpetuate the negative stereo type given to Pit Bulls. I’m curious how one would defend against one. Pit Pulls are interesting because of the dichotomy of size and fighting ability. A grown man has a huge size advantage and the dog has the natural fighting ability.
Also, In my (backwards ass) town, everyone ignores the leash laws and lets their dogs run around loose. It also happens that pits are the most common breed around here. I’ve had two cats get nailed by them right in my front yard.
The question I pose is mostly hypothetical since they don’t normally just attack unprovoked so it’s not something I’m actually worried about. I’m more worried about my 5 year old. I’ve told him if a dog ever attacks, knocking him down, to curl up into a ball and cover his face and neck.
OK no if he was raised right he wouldn’t do it stuff ! I agree but thats no the original question . (I’ve grown up with big dogs all my life alsations and rottweilers mostly so i feel qualified to throw in my 2 cents worth ) F*ck giving the dog 1 arm to chew on !!
Use both hands and reach over its head and push down on its neck until its head hits the ground ( also grab their skin for extra grip and lean into it ) - not too hard for an adult to do as they don’t have a lot of strength to resist this particular movement .
Once its head is on the ground it can’t do much at all . Then put your knee on its head , grab both legs and rip them apart - the bastard needs to die for attacking a human . ( yes - seriously ! ) If you have your own big doggie try the push their head down part when play wrestling - bugs the sh!t out of 'em . Dogs don’t ever try the ole take a step back to go forward tactic .
Hopefully no-one will need to do this , but there are asshle$ out there that think it’s funny to watch their dog attack someone ( yes , it’s happened to me . I killed the little bastrd and beat the sh!t out of the assh*le owner too ! )
[quote]on edge wrote:
You’re walking down the street, minding your own business, when all of the sudden, out of no where, a Pit Bull comes flying straight at you. He’s out for blood and you barely have time to react.
How are you going to handle him?[/quote]
Man, I understand your question, but it’s exactly this kind of fear mongering that is going to make pits extinct.
The media is hypersensitive to pit bull incidents and reports them accordingly.
Pits are probably one of the least likely dogs to attack you out of the blue (while you’re “minding your own business”).
I know they say never pull guard in street fight, but the Pit probably won’t have any mates to back it up. So i’d pull guard and probably go for an arm bar or triangle, being careful not to get my dick bitten off. Yeah, definitely. Pits only have skinny front legs.
Or maybe i’d use jabs and thai kicks. Use my superior reach. Keep the distance, ya know?
[quote]TC wrote:
Man, I understand your question, but it’s exactly this kind of fear mongering that is going to make pits extinct.
The media is hypersensitive to pit bull incidents and reports them accordingly.
Pits are probably one of the least likely dogs to attack you out of the blue (while you’re “minding your own business”).
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So a human being torn apart by an animal whilst walking down the street or sitting in ones backyard shouldnt get too much press coverage? Hows that?
However, rather than focusing on the animal, they ought to place focus on the owners/handlers, particularly the trial and sentencing part. But even better, the position of society should be proactive rather than reactive. Iow, there should be tight restrictions placed on ownership. It is also somewhat disingenuous and beside the point to go on and on about how cuddly the damn things are. Owners dont get pit bulls or rotweilers because they are cuddly.
It would be interesting. That’s another reason why my idea for a fighting game show with a different scenario each episode should be brought to fruition by someone.
I don’t understand some people’s utter resignation to the fact that they would lose the encounter, however. Granted, it’s serious business, and you’d get hurt, no question, but I’d just as scared to fight an athletic human who wanted to kill me as any dog, maybe more so.
Gus “attacking” Penny.
[quote]TC wrote:
on edge wrote:
You’re walking down the street, minding your own business, when all of the sudden, out of no where, a Pit Bull comes flying straight at you. He’s out for blood and you barely have time to react.
How are you going to handle him?
Man, I understand your question, but it’s exactly this kind of fear mongering that is going to make pits extinct.
The media is hypersensitive to pit bull incidents and reports them accordingly.
Pits are probably one of the least likely dogs to attack you out of the blue (while you’re “minding your own business”).
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Precisely my point in my first post. A well bred APBT with even half ass socialization is one million times less likely to attack a human unprovoked than a chow or a cocker spaniel.
5 times outta 10 the dogs they show on the news in relation to these attacks are mongrel multi breeds that look like they have pit somewhere in their filthy bloodline, a few were bred in some third world backyard and the one that actually looks like a decent specimen was almost certainly provoked, which takes some doing.
I don’t know why I’m bothering anymore, the level of ignorance in this area is truly staggering. When dog fighting was legal and they were bred for deep pit gameness and the bloodlines were guarded like Fort Knox these animals were 100 times harder/gamer and 100 times more lovable than they are now. OK, a bit of hyperbole on the lovable part. They still are.
They fought because they loved to. Pit gameness with it’s corresponding dog aggressiveness had absolutely nothing whatever to do with danger to humans. It’s only been since this estrogenically overdosed society butted it’s head into yet another area it knew nothing about that all this hyped out sensationalized fear mongering got started in the wake of some incidents perpetrated by entirely non representative specimens.
To be fair, these are high performance animals, even still and are not for everybody, however you have to go out of your way to make a monster out of one. Unfortunately if someone does so they have a monster indeed.
Like I said before. I’ll go toe to toe with anybody who ever has or ever will join this forum as far as knowledge and experience with working dog breeds. This subject is one of the reasons I got out of the business full time years ago. Gullible, vapid public opinion.
[quote]AdamC wrote:
I know they say never pull guard in street fight, but the Pit probably won’t have any mates to back it up. So i’d pull guard and probably go for an arm bar or triangle, being careful not to get my dick bitten off. Yeah, definitely. Pits only have skinny front legs.
Or maybe i’d use jabs and thai kicks. Use my superior reach. Keep the distance, ya know? [/quote]
I would smoke pot and then put the dog in a kimura.
yeah pit bulls might be strong
but are they FUNCTIONAL
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
rainjack wrote:
My only hope would be that the high pitch squeal coming from me would be high enough to hurt the dog’s ears, and disorient him long enough for me to get out of harm’s way.
HAH! Love that post. That would be me or I would have to try yelling “want a cookie!” which always gets my dogs attention.
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Haha! I was thinking the same thing. There’s me!
It’s one of my biggest fears as a runner. And for all of you don’t-pick-on-the-pits, a charging labradoodle would terrify me, too. Hell, I’d frankly be a little disconcerted to see one of those yorkies going after my bare legs. Though the yorkie, at least, I think I could dominate. He’d probably get a couple of bites in, though, while I mulled over exactly how to go about achieving the domination.
I have a large (100lb) shepherd/lab mix, and I’ve tried working with him so he can run with me outside, but it’s a hassle and I keep losing patience. Maybe I’ll give that another go. I don’t know how much aggression he’s got in him, but at the very least maybe he could distract the other dog while I search around for a spatula and/or work up the courage to pop its eye out or stick my finger up its ass.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
…Precisely my point in my first post. A well bred APBT with even half ass socialization is one million times less likely to attack a human unprovoked than a chow or a cocker spaniel.
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Chows are nasty as hell. I have never met a nice one. Breed to be avoided at all costs.
I would not worry in the least about a well bred/trained cocker spaniel. I would not worry much about a poorly trained cocker spaniel mutt.
I do worry about pit bulls because their potential for damage is so high.
Some of the pit bull owners are kidding themselves. They think their dog is too nice to hurt anyone but the potential exists for any dog to attack.
I would rather be the victim of a cocker spaniel attack than a pit bull attack. I am glad there are not any in my neighboorhood.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I would rather be the victim of a cocker spaniel attack than a pit bull attack. I am glad there are not any in my neighboorhood.[/quote]
This is exactly right. I have been “attacked” three times in the past three years. All have been small “yappy dogs.” The “attacks” were a nuisance.
Would I be sitting here if three pit bulls had attacked me?
Granted, I don’t view well-adjusted pit bulls as a threat to me. But there’s a guy down the street, white trash as all hell (thank you rent control for allowing such people to live in my neighborhood!) who has a pit bull that has twice tried jumping over his small fence to get at my dog. (My guy is about 40 pounds.)
Both times I was able to neutralize the dog’s aggression, as I don’t give off the scent of someone who is afraid. But I do avoid that house for my own’s dog sake.
Which, I guess, it just another way of saying that white trash should be banned. Pit bulls are fine, actually. It’s the white trash that’s the problem.
The problem is that you couldn’t pass a law preventing white trash from owning pit bulls. If you could, I would be all for it. I also imagine that we wouldn’t hear about pit bulls mauling anyone, either.
[quote]Scotacus wrote:
Iow, there should be tight restrictions placed on ownership. [/quote]
In many states and counties, there are serious restrictions and regulations on ownership. I had to go through so much extra work and jump through so many hoops to get my dog. I had to do things I wouldn’t have to do had I owned a Rot or Shepherd or Husky, which are all just as dangerous if not more.
But the problem with the regulations is that it doesn’t matter. Responsible owners while complain yet comply with the ridiculous laws. Owners that don’t care are just going to get their “tough and mean” pit and ignore regulations. And they likely will get their “pitbull” from a shady backyard breeder which means their dog is really some mutt with bully features that is breed to be mean.
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It is also somewhat disingenuous and beside the point to go on and on about how cuddly the damn things are. Owners dont get pit bulls or rotweilers because they are cuddly.[/quote]
You’re right. Responsible owners get them because of their intelligence and athleticism. Irresponsible owners get them because the media sensationalizes them as badass and invincible dogs.
One of the reasons I lift weights is to be able to “adequately” handle myself in situations such as these should they arise.
I’ve imagined going toe-to-toe with a dog, but from the responses in this thread, sadly, my strength (or lack thereof) sounds like it would be irrelevant against a pit or rott. I still find it hard to imagine some of the big guys on this forum (hell I’m about 235 lbs right and I’m small compared to most of you) wouldn’t be able to contain a dog. Guess that’s why they’re animals and we’re people.
Oh well, time to hit the weights harder now…
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
AdamC wrote:
I know they say never pull guard in street fight, but the Pit probably won’t have any mates to back it up. So i’d pull guard and probably go for an arm bar or triangle, being careful not to get my dick bitten off. Yeah, definitely. Pits only have skinny front legs.
Or maybe i’d use jabs and thai kicks. Use my superior reach. Keep the distance, ya know?
I would smoke pot and then put the dog in a kimura. [/quote]
I was thinking a ‘rear furry choke’ would be pretty effective.
[quote]TC wrote:
Man, I understand your question, but it’s exactly this kind of fear mongering that is going to make pits extinct.
The media is hypersensitive to pit bull incidents and reports them accordingly.
Pits are probably one of the least likely dogs to attack you out of the blue (while you’re “minding your own business”).
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Yeah, this thread pains me to read. Well said.
[quote]En Sabah Nur wrote:
One of the reasons I lift weights is to be able to “adequately” handle myself in situations such as these should they arise.
I’ve imagined going toe-to-toe with a dog, but from the responses in this thread, sadly, my strength (or lack thereof) sounds like it would be irrelevant against a pit or rott. I still find it hard to imagine some of the big guys on this forum (hell I’m about 235 lbs right and I’m small compared to most of you) wouldn’t be able to contain a dog. Guess that’s why they’re animals and we’re people.
Oh well, time to hit the weights harder now…[/quote]
The good news is that you’ll be less likely to be attacked because of your size. Even mountain lions choose smaller victims to attack.
Also, the chances of survival are very high. Hell, little kids survive attacks all the time.
The point is that, rather than giving the dog an ass kicking, it would be a fight that, at best, would involve you merely surviving.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
Responsible owners get them because of their intelligence and athleticism. Irresponsible owners get them because the media sensationalizes them as badass and invincible dogs.[/quote]
Seriously. People like TC and his wife are not the “average” pit bull owner. A good friend is an investment banker on Wall Street who gets all indignant at the pit bull stories. “Dude,” I tell him, “the problem ain’t the pit bulls owner by investment bankers.”
The average pit bull owner looks like something straight out of the trailer park. You can’t really be surprised when their dogs attack. But I don’t blame the breed: I blame the owners. Believe me, I am in favor of all sorts of laws that would ban those types of people. It would end a hell of a lot more problems than banning pit bulls.
But instead of addressing the real problem (trailer trash, and how to ban them from breeding), we deal with symptoms such as the damage done by their pit bulls.