You Think This Is Real? Hiroshima Survivor

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[quote]mmllcc wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
dennis3k wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
I also have to say we warned them for weeks dropping letters out of plains to let the people know what was going to happen if they did not surrender.

My grandfather used to drive boats filled with infantry men and drop them off on islands in the pacific so they could fight the Japanese and he said there were many times where all the soldiers he dropped off never came back when it was time for him to pick them up. It wouldve been much worse for our soldiers if we took the approach of sending them into battle on japans mainland rather than dropping the bomb. We saved many thousands of American lives.

Regardless of what your grandfather said, the lives of those Japanese were no less valuable than the lives of the American soldiers that weren’t killed as a result of the bombings.

thats your opinion, the life of an american is more valuable to me then that of an easterner
they chose to fight us, they lost, do you think they would me so merciful if the tables where turned.

Yeah - ask the Chinese about Japanese mercy…or the survivors of Bataan…or…the list goes on.[/quote]

Or you could watch the movie The Men Behind the Sun to find out how much the Japanese regarded human life. Christ, immediately after I watched that I wondered for a bit why they didn’t drop three bombs. here’s a clip showing an example of their wonderful human rights record.

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Like I said in the other thread. If I had to make the call, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

Make it rain nuclear fire! WOOT

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If we didn’t nuke them, we wouldn’t have Godzilla!

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[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
they try to act like, their morally superior to us.
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Well said.

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Just a few opinions here from an inferior, insignificant Canadian living in Japan…

1.) The emperor wanted to keep fighting and was reluctant to surrender. Most civilians at the time just wanted the war to end. Some of the museums around Hiroshima and Nagasaki keep 1000s of civilian diaries on hand and a common theme is “we don’t know why the war is continuing. We’ve lost. We want to eat”.

2.) There were many more significant, military-related sites which could have been targeted before Hiroshima. The main reason Hiroshima was targeted was because it was shaped like an amphitheater and the bomb would inflict many casualties. As mentioned, the selection of Nagasaki was reprehensible…an opening in the clouds and nothing more.

3.) On the American side, there seems to be some evidence that paper warnings about “imminent attacks” were dropped over Hiroshima several days prior to the explosion.

4.) Not trying to justify anything here, simply stating an educated opinion…Japan’s surrender due to the bombings probably did save a lot of lives. The Emperor was entrenched and didn’t give a fuck if his people starved to death. Check out the movie “Hotaru no haka” (Grave of the Fireflies) for a pretty accurate portrayal of how hungry and desperate everyone was.

5.) The Hiroshima museum is one of the saddest places I have ever been to.

6.) A random fact…the Japanese take a lot of shit for their whaling activities, but most people don’t realize that McArthur started the industry as a means to feed the country after the war. Talk to people of that generation and they recall their parents packing them lunchboxes of whale and rice, like we’d get peanut butter and jelly. Once the WW2 generation dies off, the demand for whale will be next to nothing and the industry will collapse

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for balance, here’s an f—ed up cartoon version of the bombing of Hiroshima. Only the Japanese would turn this into a cartoon, God bless 'em

- YouTube

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If I am not mistaken Japan was arming every single person for the coming american invasion. I guess there were not enough guns for every person so they armed everyone else with bamboo spears. Also they had children wear bomb vests and trained them to jump under tanks and blow themselves and the tank up. If it wasnt for the atomic bombings hundreds of thousands of american soldiers would have died, and perhaps the entire Japanese population.

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[quote]Tulkastaldo wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
Therizza wrote:
jasmincar wrote:
wow at the comments…

If someone here thinks hiroshima is justified I hate you with all my heart

Jasmincar, please go kill yourself. You give Canadians a bad name.

You, shut the fuck up.
I suggest you go read a real history book before you talk out of your ass.

who the hell do you think you are canadian, an insignificant man from an insignificant country
you have no place, to talk. It pisses me of when all these weak and inferior countries talk shit

yah yah lets all gang up on Canada like dumbasses because it’s easy and stupid and one-dimensional and I done saw it on South Park I came out of a vagina on American soil so God loves me better. I wish the people who talk like geography makes a shit to how important somebody’s opinion is could all get beachfront property in hell because they never add anything to the discussion except retarded jingoistic flames.

For example “WE saved YOUR asses in WWII” as if they were there in their shit-stained Scarface boxer shorts and croc shoes storming the beaches at Normandy. Also the limeys are dumb and the french are cheese eating surrender monkeys the UN is for gay muslims and all that other retarded cliche horseshit that comes out of the mouths of chickenhawk hypocrite douchebags. [/quote]

get off your high moral ground. he attacked first, I responded in kind.

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Pimpbot i remember when i was in high school i read an article that after the bombings that some of the generals committed seppuku for the emperor or something, do you have any idea why they did that? Why was the second bomb dropped 3 days later wasn’t Hiroshima enough? From gist of it the emperor wanted to continue with the war effort until the 2 bombs were dropped but the civilians wanted out earlier than that right?

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I love how my one comment, stating ‘Jasmincar gives Canadians a bad name’ transformed into ‘Canada is teh suxxor!’

Some people just have to ruin everything.

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I don’t know about the generals, but if I had to guess it was probably a shame thing. (The Japanese tend to feel shamed really easily). There is a general belief that if you oversee something and it doesn’t go to plan, its your fault. Lots of Japanese CEOs killed themselves after the economic bubble burst in the 80s.

The US had actually planned for a second bombing (and reportedly third!), but they wanted to attack the city of Kokura. Due to clouds covering the city they opted for Nagasaki. Basically it was the biggest available port town in the vicinity that they could bomb, and it did have some munition factories as well.

Japan has done some horrible, inhumane things in their history…some of the things they pulled in Manchuria and China make the Baatan Death March seem like a Sunday picnic in comparison, but I would question the basic humanity of anyone who thinks that dropping an atomic bomb on a city of civilians is “good”.

[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
Pimpbot i remember when i was in high school i read an article that after the bombings that some of the generals committed seppuku for the emperor or something, do you have any idea why they did that? Why was the second bomb dropped 3 days later wasn’t Hiroshima enough? From gist of it the emperor wanted to continue with the war effort until the 2 bombs were dropped but the civilians wanted out earlier than that right?[/quote]

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“The enemy”

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Here’s a montage from the movie “Grave of the Fireflies”. It deals with the aftermath of the Kobe firebombing rather than what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Basic plot of the movie…two kids live with parents. Father joins Japanese navy and dies, mother succumbs to burns from a firebomb. Kids move in with aunt who makes them sell their parents possessions for “room and board”. Aunt kicks them out. Kids nearly beaten to death trying to steal potatoes from a farmer. Kids take shelter in an abandoned bomb shelter and descend into madness as they starve to death. Based on a true story.

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This entire thread is fail.

You’ve got your idiots on one side who wouldn’t hurt anyone even if they just killed your family and raped your mom.

And then you’ve got your morons who think the sun shines out American’s asses, and think anyone from another country has an IQ south of 50.

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[quote]TylerPK4L wrote:
Not to start a fight, but what has Canada ever done for anyone in the world?
Serious question. Someone enlighten me.

Edit: To the above poster, we may be from a more significant country, but what makes you or me as individuals any more significant than him?[/quote]

-Insulin, so your obese diabetic population can live longer
-The telephone, so you can call your fat wife and tell her how much you hate canadians
-The light bulb, so you can see how much food left there is in your fridge, you fat fuck
-The pacemaker, so when your obese, diabetic heart stops beating, you can find a way to cheat death. Cause you’re worth it.
-The electron microscope, so we can analyze your lipid globules and figure out why you’re so fucking obese
-The electric oven, so you don’t have to wait as long for your turkey to heat up, you fat fuck
-Instant mashed potatoes, made from 100 percent freedom fries, goes great with that turkey you obese piece of shit
-The walkie talkie, so when your sausage sized fingers can’t reach the phone and you don’t feel like moving your fat, shit infested ass out of your LA-Z-BOY, you can still tell your wife how much you hate canadians. After you’re done you can go back to watching either football (Go look up the history for a surprise) or basketball (also invented in Canada).
-Alkaline batteries, so that your walkie talkie lasts longer and you can continue to hate on canadians
-The zipper, so that when you finally fucking die, we have a way of closing the 1000 liter body bag.

To name a few :wink:

Also, you got a very large portion of your oil, electricity (the north east anyway), wood and paper from Canada.

Not to mention the fact that we’re a small country (by population) with a small army.
However we had no problem sending our sons and daughters to Afghanistan to fight your war in 2001. A war that gives us absolutely nothing. Show some respect.

Oil numbers: Company Level Imports

Peace out, my brother to the south.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
scribbles in notebook

“Never click on links from John Q. Adequate, he is a sick fucker”

Closes notebook, and resumes work day[/quote]

Ehehehehehe! Check this out:

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f10/he-lost-his-balls-25577/

The title in the URL is pretty telling…

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[quote]Unaware wrote:
This entire thread is fail.

You’ve got your idiots on one side who wouldn’t hurt anyone even if they just killed your family and raped your mom.

And then you’ve got your morons who think the sun shines out American’s asses, and think anyone from another country has an IQ south of 50.

[/quote]

And then we have the people who talk shit but make no intellectual contribution to the thread. Like you.

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[quote]John Q. Adequate wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
scribbles in notebook

“Never click on links from John Q. Adequate, he is a sick fucker”

Closes notebook, and resumes work day

Ehehehehehe! Check this out:

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f10/he-lost-his-balls-25577/

The title in the URL is pretty telling…[/quote]

I am such an asshole…

Good morning to you too fine sir

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
scribbles in notebook

“Never click on links from John Q. Adequate, he is a sick fucker”

Closes notebook, and resumes work day[/quote]

x2

JQA is a sick fuck and pretty ignorant too.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
John Q. Adequate wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
scribbles in notebook

“Never click on links from John Q. Adequate, he is a sick fucker”

Closes notebook, and resumes work day

Ehehehehehe! Check this out:

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f10/he-lost-his-balls-25577/

The title in the URL is pretty telling…

I am such an asshole…

Good morning to you too fine sir[/quote]

Good morning to you too!