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[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
Dude I don’t know, I just eat a ton of good food and lift heavy. Also Carbolin 19 helps. For instance after training a couple hours ago I had some Surge, ate a burger, now I’m stuffing down some pasta and whole milk, later I’ll have a protein shake, then another with a bunch of peanut butter…

eengrms76 wrote:
I wish every newbie “hardgainer” on here would just read what you wrote and then live it. There would be a lot less skinny people.[/quote]

Less skinny, yes. But would they really be more muscular?

Now I’m of the belief that ANYONE can begin eating enough to make solid gains once they’ve TRULY decided that they want to see those gains badly enough. And an internet forum can be very valuable for nutrition advice.

But another hugely important part of the basic muscle-building equation is something we can’t monitor through an internet forum – I’m referring to TRAINING INTENSITY, or perhaps more often, the lack thereof.

For instance, take someone who was never very active, or who never competed at individual sports or team sports, or who never trains with a partner or someone stronger than them: would they EVEN KNOW HOW to push themselves past that voice in their heads? How long before they finally learn to embrace the pain and just keep on pushing, pulling, squatting?

I think the kcal surplus is the easy part, and training intensity can absolutely be learned, so I guess there is hope for EVERYONE who is willing enough to put it all together.

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[quote]chillain wrote:
Natural Nate wrote:
Dude I don’t know, I just eat a ton of good food and lift heavy. Also Carbolin 19 helps. For instance after training a couple hours ago I had some Surge, ate a burger, now I’m stuffing down some pasta and whole milk, later I’ll have a protein shake, then another with a bunch of peanut butter…

eengrms76 wrote:
I wish every newbie “hardgainer” on here would just read what you wrote and then live it. There would be a lot less skinny people.

Less skinny, yes. But would they really be more muscular?

Now I’m of the belief that ANYONE can begin eating enough to make solid gains once they’ve TRULY decided that they want to see those gains badly enough. And an internet forum can be very valuable for nutrition advice.

But another hugely important part of the basic muscle-building equation is something we can’t monitor through an internet forum – I’m referring to TRAINING INTENSITY, or perhaps more often, the lack thereof.

For instance, take someone who was never very active, or who never competed at individual sports or team sports, or who never trains with a partner or someone stronger than them: would they EVEN KNOW HOW to push themselves past that voice in their heads? How long before they finally learn to embrace the pain and just keep on pushing, pulling, squatting?

I think the kcal surplus is the easy part, and training intensity can absolutely be learned, so I guess there is hope for EVERYONE who is willing enough to put it all together.

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There isn’t hope for everyone. Everyone doesn’t have that drive, therefore, we shouldn’t expect everyone to be able to push hard in the gym. Bodybuilding isn’t for everyone.

It is a waste of time even trying to make what we are discussing geared towards “everyone”. It is a given that over 50% of the people logging in will make zero progress no matter what we type.

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[quote]Lowery38595 wrote:
Okay earlier about the six donuts. I never really do that. I usually have some protein with it. Is that better?

(Sarcasm)[/quote]

you drank milk pal, you’re good. :slight_smile:

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Hey guys just wanted to check in…I have upped my Cals a ton…eating real meals every 3 hours as opposed to countin kcals and carbs ala Anabolic diet cut…I have noticed so far that I have actually gotten leaner/stayed the same b.f. and gained 4 pounds…Now I know this is mainly water if not all but I swear my triceps got .25 inches bigger and are much stronger. lol…as newb as that sounds I think because I had dieted for 4 weeks the huge jump in kcals did some good things and I underestimate my metabolism sometimes…like every person that was once chub. Anyways I stand by Carb/Protein and Fat/Protein meals being separated. Just works for me and I can eat more without that bloat.

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Dude did you really make a post about 4 pounds of water weight and a quarter of an inch on your triceps?

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I’m totally with the OP when it comes to not worrying about abs. The only time I go anywhere shirtless I’m at private beach resorts where everyone nobody gives a shit.

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dude i did.

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[quote]chillain wrote:
Natural Nate wrote:
Dude I don’t know, I just eat a ton of good food and lift heavy. Also Carbolin 19 helps. For instance after training a couple hours ago I had some Surge, ate a burger, now I’m stuffing down some pasta and whole milk, later I’ll have a protein shake, then another with a bunch of peanut butter…

eengrms76 wrote:
I wish every newbie “hardgainer” on here would just read what you wrote and then live it. There would be a lot less skinny people.

Less skinny, yes. But would they really be more muscular?

Now I’m of the belief that ANYONE can begin eating enough to make solid gains once they’ve TRULY decided that they want to see those gains badly enough. And an internet forum can be very valuable for nutrition advice.

But another hugely important part of the basic muscle-building equation is something we can’t monitor through an internet forum – I’m referring to TRAINING INTENSITY, or perhaps more often, the lack thereof.

For instance, take someone who was never very active, or who never competed at individual sports or team sports, or who never trains with a partner or someone stronger than them: would they EVEN KNOW HOW to push themselves past that voice in their heads? How long before they finally learn to embrace the pain and just keep on pushing, pulling, squatting?

I think the kcal surplus is the easy part, and training intensity can absolutely be learned, so I guess there is hope for EVERYONE who is willing enough to put it all together.

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Funny you say that, I find training hard is the easy part. It’s dedicating myself to good eating habits LONG TERM that is the biggest challenge.

You make a good point though - I failed to take into account that someone reading this website might be a pussy.

…Too bad for them.

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Good topic guys. Im one of those twigs trying to get past my Ecto self. Just started last week so this is good motivation if I ever need any. 6’0 weighed 141 last week and its insane how I much mass I feel Ive put on already (around 5 lbs). Its always been easy for me to go to the gym and back when I was even skinnier (yes its possible lol) I overtrained and ate way too little yet I gained 10 lbs. I find it so hard to stuff my face but Ive been keeping it up and plan for the next couple years. Drinking 1/2 gallon of whole milk a day and eating PB from the jar is still taking some getting used to.

My Starting Strength log is here if you ever feel like bitching at my ass if Im slackin.

http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2096517

Love this site and its been my best workout tool so far. No more giving bullshit high metabolism excuses and actually put on some bulk.

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I think many people posting on this thread need to read the following article:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1021940

If you keep following that “just fuckin’ eat” mantra, your gonna end up fat no matter how “clean” your diet is.

Two and a half months ago I was 194lbs eating good clean foods…the only thing was i was eating too much (3500 cals a day in my case).

I’m now 168lbs and have managed to add weight to every single one of my lifts in that time, consuming a measly 2000 cals a day, snad sometimes less.

Anyways i really don’t care if you end up fat or not…I’m just saying follow better advice than “just eat, man”.

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[quote]Chicken4Dinner wrote:
I think many people posting on this thread need to read the following article:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1021940

If you keep following that “just fuckin’ eat” mantra, your gonna end up fat no matter how “clean” your diet is.

Two and a half months ago I was 194lbs eating good clean foods…the only thing was i was eating too much (3500 cals a day in my case).

I’m now 168lbs and have managed to add weight to every single one of my lifts in that time, consuming a measly 2000 cals a day, snad sometimes less.

Anyways i really don’t care if you end up fat or not…I’m just saying follow better advice than “just eat, man”.[/quote]

Chris Shugart writes almost exclusively to FFB’s. In fact, a lot of this site caters to FFB’s. The fact is, SOME PEOPLE HAVE FAST METABOLISMS. Some people have trouble putting on fat, much less muscle.

And in your case, you have it the other way around. These posters are looking to ADD mass, not lose weight. There are threads dedicated to losing weight. Go post your stories there.

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[quote]Chicken4Dinner wrote:
I think many people posting on this thread need to read the following article:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1021940

If you keep following that “just fuckin’ eat” mantra, your gonna end up fat no matter how “clean” your diet is.

Two and a half months ago I was 194lbs eating good clean foods…the only thing was i was eating too much (3500 cals a day in my case).

I’m now 168lbs and have managed to add weight to every single one of my lifts in that time, consuming a measly 2000 cals a day, snad sometimes less.

Anyways i really don’t care if you end up fat or not…I’m just saying follow better advice than “just eat, man”.[/quote]

You wasted your first post on T-Nation.

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I you’re a non-FFB over 200 pounds who is physically active, ‘just eat’ is usually the best advice you can get. For every person who eats too much and gains too much fat, there’s 10 that are undereating.

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[quote]Chicken4Dinner wrote:
I think many people posting on this thread need to read the following article:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1021940

If you keep following that “just fuckin’ eat” mantra, your gonna end up fat no matter how “clean” your diet is.

Two and a half months ago I was 194lbs eating good clean foods…the only thing was i was eating too much (3500 cals a day in my case).

I’m now 168lbs and have managed to add weight to every single one of my lifts in that time, consuming a measly 2000 cals a day, snad sometimes less.

Anyways i really don’t care if you end up fat or not…I’m just saying follow better advice than “just eat, man”.[/quote]

depends on the person.

2,000 cals/day?

My RMR is 2,220 (using a Medgem), I’d waste away with that little bit of food and I’m only 180 lbs.

it’s taking me well over 4,000 cals/day to see any weight gain

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[quote]Dirty_Bulk wrote:
I you’re a non-FFB over 200 pounds who is physically active, ‘just eat’ is usually the best advice you can get. For every person who eats too much and gains too much fat, there’s 10 that are undereating.[/quote]

That’s a pretty arbitrary statement to make.

Anyways my point is there’s bulking with minimal fat gains

and then there’s bulking with large fat gain.

Which one are you?

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[quote]Chicken4Dinner wrote:

That’s a pretty arbitrary statement to make.

Anyways my point is there’s bulking with minimal fat gains

and then there’s bulking with large fat gain.

Which one are you?[/quote]

a) which one is more effective? i would tend to believe someone with credibility (sorry to be a fanboy, but someone like prof x)

b) i assume you ate exactly 10 ounces of 97% lean chicken breast with the fat cut off for dinner judging by that screen name and your post

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[quote]Chicken4Dinner wrote:
That’s a pretty arbitrary statement to make.

Anyways my point is there’s bulking with minimal fat gains

and then there’s bulking with large fat gain.

Which one are you?[/quote]

Whichever one gives me real, quantifiable results.

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[quote]ericbyrnesjr wrote:
Chicken4Dinner wrote:

That’s a pretty arbitrary statement to make.

Anyways my point is there’s bulking with minimal fat gains

and then there’s bulking with large fat gain.

Which one are you?

a) which one is more effective? i would tend to believe someone with credibility (sorry to be a fanboy, but someone like prof x)
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That’s up to the trainee to determine. If you don’t mind eclipsing high amounts of body fat, go for it. You’ll Gain more muscle that way obviously.

I personally think it’s a better idea to stay at a lower body fat % when bulking (sacrificing some muscle gain) instead of seeing over-the-top weight gain.

[quote]ericbyrnesjr wrote:
b) i assume you ate exactly 10 ounces of 97% lean chicken breast with the fat cut off for dinner judging by that screen name and your post[/quote]

I’m not quite that meticulous.

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Bulking is good m’kay

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[quote]Chicken4Dinner wrote:
I think many people posting on this thread need to read the following article:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1021940

If you keep following that “just fuckin’ eat” mantra, your gonna end up fat no matter how “clean” your diet is.

Two and a half months ago I was 194lbs eating good clean foods…the only thing was i was eating too much (3500 cals a day in my case).

I’m now 168lbs and have managed to add weight to every single one of my lifts in that time, consuming a measly 2000 cals a day, snad sometimes less.

Anyways i really don’t care if you end up fat or not…I’m just saying follow better advice than “just eat, man”.[/quote]

Great now go away.