You Gotta Love Tigers

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[quote]Dirty Tiger wrote:
Hunting Mule Deer and Elk out west is much different than hunting whitetail in the Southeast.

It does take skill to find and kill an Elk. They are fast and agile.

They like to hang out in high rough country, hiking at 8,000 feet is hard work. [/quote]

Not saying it isn’t, I just don’t think it’s dead animal head trophy-worthy. By displaying the head of an animal, you are, in a sense, bragging, “hey, I killed this” when, in fact, a modern firearm made the job 1000 times easier than if you were to level the playing field.

Sure, good tracking and woodsmanship skills are what get you within range of the target, and I respect anyone who has the discipline and patience to learn and master those things, but essentially they are tools that set the stage for a machine (properly aimed, of course) to get the job done. Come that far without a rifle and the only meat you’ll be eating is the jerky you brought along with you.

Think of it this way; you don’t retire and display the lifting belt you wore during each squat PR in a trophy case, do you? You know full well how much hard work and technique it took to reach that goal, but displaying it in such a gaudy, tactless manner just seems stupid, right?

Likewise, why should one need the head of a dead animal to remind himself (or scream it in the face of visitors to his home) that he is a good hunter? Enjoy your venison steaks, have a nice buckskin jacket made, even. These are functional purposes, which, in my mind, is in keeping with what hunting should be all about.

You want an affirmation of your woodsmanship skills that everyone can gawk at? Sew yourself a merit badge, frame it and hang it.

Note to DT: The “you” I refer to is a metaphorical generalization, not intended to mean you, personally. No offense intended.

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[quote]Plisskin wrote:
One tiger has been observed to drag a gaur kill away that, later on, 13 men together could not move. As a gaur easily weighs 1 ton or more, the tiger has been able to drag something 5 times its own weight.
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They hunt down and drag off the entire metal band Gwar??? That is f-ing SWEET.

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[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:
Dirty Tiger wrote:
Hunting Mule Deer and Elk out west is much different than hunting whitetail in the Southeast.

It does take skill to find and kill an Elk. They are fast and agile.

They like to hang out in high rough country, hiking at 8,000 feet is hard work.

Not saying it isn’t, I just don’t think it’s dead animal head trophy-worthy. By displaying the head of an animal, you are, in a sense, bragging, “hey, I killed this” when, in fact, a modern firearm made the job 1000 times easier than if you were to level the playing field.

Sure, good tracking and woodsmanship skills are what get you within range of the target, and I respect anyone who has the discipline and patience to learn and master those things, but essentially they are tools that set the stage for a machine (properly aimed, of course) to get the job done. Come that far without a rifle and the only meat you’ll be eating is the jerky you brought along with you.

Think of it this way; you don’t retire and display the lifting belt you wore during each squat PR in a trophy case, do you? You know full well how much hard work and technique it took to reach that goal, but displaying it in such a gaudy, tactless manner just seems stupid, right?

Likewise, why should one need the head of a dead animal to remind himself (or scream it in the face of visitors to his home) that he is a good hunter? Enjoy your venison steaks, have a nice buckskin jacket made, even. These are functional purposes, which, in my mind, is in keeping with what hunting should be all about.

You want an affirmation of your woodsmanship skills that everyone can gawk at? Sew yourself a merit badge, frame it and hang it.

Note to DT: The “you” I refer to is a metaphorical generalization, not intended to mean you, personally. No offense intended.[/quote]

Aren’t you shoving your standards on someone else? Why should you care if someone hangs a head in their house? To you it’s nonsensical and that’s cool, but nobody is asking you to hang a head in your house. I will take affirmation any way I choose to and let you affirm your achievements anyway you want to.

Take care,

D

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:

Aren’t you shoving your standards on someone else? Why should you care if someone hangs a head in their house? To you it’s nonsensical and that’s cool, but nobody is asking you to hang a head in your house. I will take affirmation any way I choose to and let you affirm your achievements anyway you want to.

Take care,

D[/quote]

Brilliant.

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[quote]Dirty Tiger wrote:
Hunting Mule Deer and Elk out west is much different than hunting whitetail in the Southeast.

It does take skill to find and kill an Elk. They are fast and agile.

They like to hang out in high rough country, hiking at 8,000 feet is hard work. [/quote]

I was thinking about this as earlier. There is a lot more skill and effort involve in the stakling and killing of some game. If you can head out in to the mountains and take down an elk or a ram, on its own terms- Thats some good shit.

Of course around here to get a white tail- You just open the front door and shoot the one eating your marigolds.
Damed things are becoming like 180lb. rats with antlers.

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A very good friend of mine killed a Mountain Lion a couple of years ago.

He treed it with dogs and shot it with a Single Action revovler

He has the skin hanging on the wall, It’s beautiful.

He ate every bit of the meat. According to him it tastes a lot like Pork.

Take that you fucking hippies.

P.S. I am a recovering Vegan.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

Of course around here to get a white tail- You just open the front door and shoot the one eating your marigolds.
Damed things are becoming like 180lb. rats with antlers.[/quote]

That doesn’t sound so bad.

Deer hunting in Colorado is by application only. I applied for my first tag this year but I didn’t get one.

You can buy an elk tag over the counter.

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  1. I am a hunter.
  2. I hunt for meat and I think that it is the main purpose for true hunters.
  3. I think hunting just for the trophy, such as big cat hunting in Africa is just plain wrong.
  4. Don’t put all African big-game hunting into the same category as hunting for lions as a trophy. Many hunting operations in Africa actually use the meat that is aquired during the hunts to feed the people in nearby villages.
  5. Trophies off of animals that you eat are just fine. Most people that I know don’t use the trophies to show themselves off but instead to show off the magnificence of the animal.

Just a few thoughts from me.

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By the way I have been close enough to o number of deer that I could just as easily beat them to death with my rifle instead of waiting for them ot move away and then shoot them, it just isn’t legal to kill them except for with a firearm or bow.

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:

Yup, my money is on the tiger any day of the week.

Oh, and yes Skyzyks when we are off hunting we generally have a long caravan of natives packing our accouterments and I even have a little fellow named Hodji who carries my rifle until the moment I muster the courage to fire my high powered artillery round to kill the far off and dangerous rabbit. LOL

D[/quote]

So… the next time you bag an elk, you have to drag it back using your teeth. :wink:

I’m always amused at people who have never stalked dangerous game through thick brush, making snide comments about how “easy” it is to hunt with modern rifles.

It takes great skill and courage to get close enough to a large and powerful animal, take aim and kill it cleanly and quickly without it catching your scent and bolting, or charging you down and killing you first.

The African Buffalo is probably the toughest and meanest animal in the world, and even a heavy (.40 or higher) rifle is no guarantee of a one-shot kill. If it reaches you before you can put it down, it will kill you, and will not stop attacking you until you are nothing more than a thin red pulp on the ground.

Every hunter knows this. Every time a hunter shoulders a rifle against a dangerous animal (and any hunter worth his salt will be close enough to that animal to be able to see the extremely pissed-off expression on its face), he knows it may be the last thing he will ever do.

Please take the time to understand a thing before making general statements condemning it.

Thank you.

Hijack over.

V

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Hunting isn’t “easy”… you don’t just jump out of your jeep, walk down the trail with your gun, shoulder it, fire, and walk away with a kill. My God, if it was that easy, every huntable animal would be extinct.

I find it somewhat pompus for a meat eater to hate people who hunt for trophy, yet they will eat beef from a store. Slaughter houses aren’t cattle recreation centers, and their life isn’t too great prior to showing up there. Also, you’re eating that meat not out of necessity, but completely out of choice. Meat isn’t necessary, you could live without meat…

Would your physique goals suffer? Probably… but that is entirely the point. You eat that meat because you want it.

So please, don’t get so damn upset when someone goes out, hoofs it in the wilderness, and shoots a deer/etc. They are doing what they find enjoyable.

Granted, I wouldn’t support some jackass flying around in a jeep with a mounted machine gun mowing everything down either. I’m speaking of a hunter after a specific animal, not on a blood bath killing spree.

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Oh shit, someone say ligers? They’re pretty awesome, not considering the side-effects of the breeding such as the conflicting instincts to live alone and live in a pride. Who do you think would win between a liger and a tigon though? =)

If you ask me, the lion is the coolest cat in the bunch. Best life no doubt about it.

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[quote]Kuz wrote:
They hunt down and drag off the entire metal band Gwar??? That is f-ing SWEET.[/quote]

F yes! Tigers own!

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Of course around here to get a white tail- You just open the front door and shoot the one eating your marigolds.
Damed things are becoming like 180lb. rats with antlers.[/quote]

I have heard that the hunting is easier out there. 180? Damn. I’m lucky to get 110 in a doe.

I bowhunt here in OK, and it takes a couple of months to find the areas you want, learn the patterns the deer have, find their beds. And you have to do this without disturbing an animal designed to avoid predators.

Then you have to get out into the area, unseen, heard or smelled, and then you have to get REALLY lucky.

Everything has to be perfect. Best meat I’ve ever eaten.

Of course, we have grocery stores as well. Damn good thing too. As much time and effort it takes for a successful hunt these days, we’d all starve.

-folly

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
Bauer97 wrote:
Animal cruelty issues aside, does anyone think that if predatorial animals learned how to manufacture and use a weapon, that they wouldn’t use it against anything they hunt, including humans?

We do to each other so, why wouldn’t they?
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But humans had to manufacture weapons in order to hunt. That requires significant expenditure of evolutionary energy, the weapons adaptation as well as the wide-scale eating of meat, so it must have been necessary at one point in our history to make this leap.

Other primates haven’t yet the need to become such hunters. And other predatorial animals haven’t had to manufacture weapons either, since they were born with fangs, claws, speed and stealth enough to suvive without.

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[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
Is it wrong to gradually build an animal’s trust by giving it food, and making it comfortable enough to eat 3 feet from you; then kill it for food?[/quote]

Not as bad as a fully domesticated animal, such as a chicken in a cage that can’t even spread its wings and is pumped full of agony. This is even better than one that is pastured, living under humane certified conditions. The partial-domesticate, in your example, can live an almost full life, having the greatest amount of self-determination. They are only stunted in their foraging skills and experiences.

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:

Aren’t you shoving your standards on someone else? [/quote]

No, that’s why I started my post with “I just don’t think”, not “I think you should”.

I don’t “care” in any real sense. Think of it as how most on this board “care” about curling in the squat rack when no one else is using it. I was just explaining my rationale for thinking what I do.

Sounds good to me. You made your case in a similar, intelligent fashion, and I can appreciate that.

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[quote]Dirty Tiger wrote:
P.S. I am a recovering Vegan.
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No shit? I, for one, would be very interested in hearing your story about how you made the transition to your current (greatly improved, IMHO) worldview.

Most vegans I’ve encountered (admitedly, not a very high number) are pretty fanatical about their lifestyle, which I suppose, is almost essential considering how polarized their diets are.

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[quote]Plisskin wrote:
Kuz wrote:
They hunt down and drag off the entire metal band Gwar??? That is f-ing SWEET.

F yes! Tigers own![/quote]

lol, I’m glad the tiger took care of Gwar, they are rocking wayyy too hard.

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[quote]Kailash wrote:

Other primates haven’t yet the need to become such hunters. And other predatorial animals haven’t had to manufacture weapons either, since they were born with fangs, claws, speed and stealth enough to suvive without.[/quote]

No, they haven’t…but my guess is that it’s only a matter of time for chimps. Already chimpanzees have been observed by a number of researchers using stone and wood tools to crack nuts and pick out the nut meats. These same chimp populations have also been observed organizing raiding parties into the territories of neighboring chimpanzee colonies, kidnapping females and killing males.

How long before some clever chimp figures out, like in 2001 A Space Odyssey, that the same rock that he uses to crack his nuts can be used to crush the skull of a prey animal (chimps are occasional predators), or another chimp?

How long before another figures out that the same stick he uses to pick the meat out of nutshells can be used to puncture the skin and organs of an enemy?

A thousand years? A hundred? Ten?