my log is such a bad influence on people
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It’s our “safe space”
Do you run it for 30 days straight… or is it something you do a few on a few more off?
I have run it as long as 30 days… This time around I am going to go shorter duration. I think using it in conjunction with mini-cuts (1 week or less), and MK during the off-time (mini bulks), might yield some interesting results.
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I trying to follow along because I find the current topics interesting; however, I’m beginning to get lost in the lingo.
Shit! Popo is here! Run!
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If you’ve seen my recent posts/questions then you’d know I’m drawn to the dark side (at least on this particular illegal topic).
I think my brain is trying to convince me I have low T so I can get on TRT. However, I’m pretty sure I have no symptoms lol! I just want Dr prescribed drugs.
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@Yogi1 can be your doctor and he can ‘prescribe’ you whatever you want 
You do have low T because it’s not at 1200. You are forfeiting all of your gains!
Prescription not included, each sold separately, limit 2 per customer, offer ends midnight Easter Sunday.
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All this information about ranges of normal…who wants to be average? If I’m normal then why would it be wrong to want to be at the absolute max limit of normal? We’re not here to be average!
This issue crops up often in the TRT thread - guys argue there isn’t really a big difference between 600 and 1100.
For the record, I’m not in that camp.
But, the higher you are, the more sides you risk and the more drugs you have to take - AI’s, etc…
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I’ll stick to my workouts that are supposed to increase natural testosterone production for now. I’m not a fan of forever when it comes supplements or prescriptions. But it doesn’t hurt to educate myself.
For the record, are the side effects a result of the total T or the doses taken? Would a guy taking 200mg to get from 800 to 1000 have the same sides as a guy taking the same dose to get from 500 to 700?
(I’m sure the math doesn’t work that way but I’m using it for illustrative purposes)
I just wanna make it clear that all my posts to date pertaining to the use of any illegal substances were purely hypothetical and solely for the purpose of entertainment, with knowledge derived from reading relevant literature freely available within the World Wide Web, and are not to be construed as having experience in the abuse of any of said substances in any form, nor shall they imply any instance of aiding and abetting the purchase or abuse of said substances.
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Hypothetically speaking, I haven’t experienced much effects from albuterol and ephedrine keeps me up all night even though the buzz has ended if I use it less than 8 hours before bedtime.
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Effects as in jitters, anxiety, etc? Or effects as in positive experience?
Theoretically, of course.
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Albuterol is just meh. It’s relatively mild as a stimulant and beta agonist and is just meh for weight loss. It doesn’t burn fat as well as clen and doesn’t blunt the appetite as well as ephedrine. The inhaler is useless for our purposes. I recently threw away a couple cards of 4mg pills because I thought they were ineffective.
Ephedrine is awesome. It won’t mobilize fat but I respond wonderfully to stims and it is great for blunting my appetite. Like most stims, it makes my flaccid dick shrink a bit with prolonged use, makes my trigger a bit quicker, but increases the size of my loads. Ephedrine and caffeine is my go to for weight loss.
Clen is the devil. I have a rule not to take gray/black market drugs that need to be measured to the microgram because of clen. I suffered so badly on this shit and only managed to make it 3-4 days or so before I gave up. Imagine doing blow all night then having to be a productive member of society the next morning. Except you’re constantly shaking like a leaf, random muscles are cramping hard enough to take your breath away, and you can’t eat, sleep, or fuck. That’s me on clen.Blech, no thank you.
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Agreed on ephedrine on most all-counts. I find it most useful for appetite suppression as well. Another annoyance is it seems to fuck with my prostate.
Also agree on clen sides making you feel pretty nasty; waking up with leg cramps sucks, especially when they make you yelp and shout, causing you to wake your entire family.
In general, I find that stims are only effective while you are on them… Ephedrine makes me drop water, but it comes back quickly after I stop. Essentially I have come around to the view that they are only good for a “deadline” of some sort; show, beach week/cruise, t-ransformation… The weight you lose with them doesn’t seem to stay off, unless You make other changes (i.e. Increase cardio- fuck that!, decrease cals- sucks, etc…) they are also mildly good at minimizing damage from going “off-program” (again, cruise-ship buffets comes to mind), both from the appetite suppression as well as the increased TDEE.
I really liked the mild stimulant effect I got from albuterol… It helped me focus and provided a boost at work, without causing the 100yd stare that I sometimes get from caffeine or ephedra.
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It’s a little complimicated. Once you inject for a few weeks, your own production shuts down so you won’t be supplementing, you’ll be completely replacing - it’s not additive. For the smarty pants, injected T is called exogenous, manufactured by the body is endogenous.
If you inject regularly, your natural T goes to zero and the only T you get is from the injections. 200 mg would probably get you to 1200 or so the day after injecting, dropping to 700 after seven days. Very approximate, and probably not completely accurate. It takes about six weeks to normalize due to the half life of Test C and Test E. If you’re already at 600 naturally, there would be no benefit to TRT. A cycle, of course, would be different.
Once completing a cycle, you have to restart your own T production, and it’s a risk. Obviously, guys do it all the time, but there is always a risk of shutdown.
The sides are from total T, as I understand it, and more accurately the conversion of T to E2. There can be many other issues as well, but that gets really complicated and beyond the scope of my knowledge. For instance, LH and testicular atrophy that require HCG, which can add to the total T and more aromatization of T to E2.
There’s a sticky in the Pharma thread about planning a first cycle that is very informative and pretty complete.
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Effects as in fat burning. Though I wasn’t using it to lose weight, given my metabolism, I would definitely have noticed. The air gets bad over here every 1 or 2 years for about a month so I need to resort to taking a few strips of tablets a day because of my asthma.
I’ve not noticed any other effects at all so perhaps it may be an individual thing since @FatKidfromFL reacts more positively to it. This is my first time hearing of any stimulant properties.
Ephedra does blunt hunger A LOT for me.
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haha, yeah, me too. I just drop fat so god damn fast on it though! Can literally see the changes by the day.
4 days on it at a time is about my max.
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