Yet Another Police F*ck Up. (W/Vid)

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[quote]Gregus wrote:

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Gregus,

I disagree with your comments. In a resturant, once the police arrive, there are going to be plenty of witnesses available to vouch for a citizen stepping in. Further, intervening physically doesn’t mean you have to pound the dog snot out of the guy…he could have just stepped between them, used a joint manipulation…whatever.

Also, in most states, defense of a third party is acceptable, and legal. If you see someone getting pummeled, you can step in and use physical force, if necessary.

So, in response to your question…yes, I do believe he should have stepped in. In light of how he rails against police officers so frequently, and since he’s CLEARLY such a tough guy, I am frankly shocked that he chose not to display his prowess to the world.

Cop or not, a man should still act like a man, no?

Instead, he showed that he’s a gaping vagina. And from what I’ve read in this thread, he did it here too. [/quote]

True Dat bro. True dat.

But just to clarify when i hear ‘abuse’ in a restaurant setting i interpret it as less of her getting the shit kicked out of her and more like a argument with verbal abuse or a tense situation. Many guys feel a fire and a urge to be a hero especially when the woman is hot. lol. Add alcohol into the mix and bad things can happen. I know a judge will not be kind to a drunk defender who stepped up. [/quote]

Agreed.

Unless the chick is actually getting beaten by her significant other, there’s no way I am going to step in.

A slap wouldn’t qualify as being “beaten”.

Any woman who would let a man lay their hands on her more than once without leaving his sorry ass isn’t the type of woman who is going to get her head on straight because I decided to play hero on any particular day… despite how chivalrous it might make me feel. In fact, she may very well be the type of woman to take a fork to my back when I am busy trying to blind her boyfriend with my shining armour.

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[quote]mapwhap wrote:
GFurther, intervening physically doesn’t mean you have to pound the dog snot out of the guy…he could have just stepped between them, used a joint manipulation…whatever.[/quote]

I know that, given this is the Internet, I’m definitely only speaking for myself when I say that my experience with fighting has been limited solely to punching the other person until he can’t hit me anymore. As someone with no formal training, to expect me to know how to use a “joint manipulation” without breaking the other dude’s elbow or leaving myself open to a bottle to the dome is a huge stretch.

That is precisely why I would never step in unless absolutely necessary and encourage others without formal training to do the same… because if I need to fight, it is going to be bloody and messy and someone will most likely get seriously injured.

I haven’t the skill to bust out an arm bar (or whatever the hell it is you would expect me to do) to wrap things up cleanly without putting myself at an even greater risk in the process. My ‘off’ switch certainly isn’t as sensitive to people used to being in fights, either, so my ability to gauge when “enough is enough” is also handicapped.

So, if I were to actually step between two people I would be doing so knowing that, unless the guy backs right the fuck down, it would most likely be leading to me HAVING to beat the snot out of him… because I don’t know any other way to physically diffuse the situation.

Call me a coward, but I’m not going to jail (or the hospital) for some lady who doesn’t respect herself enough to get the fuck out of a bad situation. If her own blood on the floor won’t change her mind, why the hell would mine?

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
GFurther, intervening physically doesn’t mean you have to pound the dog snot out of the guy…he could have just stepped between them, used a joint manipulation…whatever.[/quote]

I know that, given this is the Internet, I’m definitely only speaking for myself when I say that my experience with fighting has been limited solely to punching the other person until he can’t hit me anymore. As someone with no formal training, to expect me to know how to use a “joint manipulation” without breaking the other dude’s elbow or leaving myself open to a bottle to the dome is a huge stretch.

That is precisely why I would never step in unless absolutely necessary and encourage others without formal training to do the same… because if I need to fight, it is going to be bloody and messy and someone will most likely get seriously injured.

I haven’t the skill to bust out an arm bar (or whatever the hell it is you would expect me to do) to wrap things up cleanly without putting myself at an even greater risk in the process. My ‘off’ switch certainly isn’t as sensitive to people used to being in fights, either, so my ability to gauge when “enough is enough” is also handicapped.

So, if I were to actually step between two people I would be doing so knowing that, unless the guy backs right the fuck down, it would most likely be leading to me HAVING to beat the snot out of him… because I don’t know any other way to physically diffuse the situation.

Call me a coward, but I’m not going to jail for some lady who doesn’t respect herself enough to get the fuck out of a bad situation. If her own blood on the floor won’t change her mind, why the hell would mine?[/quote]

AMEN

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gotta agree that last post was gold.

mapwhap - your posts seemed alright until you busted out some dumb shit later on and the “PPS: Stop trying to act so tough. You’re Canadian, for Chrissakes. You aren’t fooling anyone.”

Really what is that supposed to mean? It doesn’t matter where someones from…it all comes down to THE PERSON. There’s tough people, bad people, good people everywhere and anywhere you go…in some areas more so than not and that’s the way it is, it’s juts an ignorant post man.

Aside from that…stepping in between domestic violence could go VERY WRONG…just a bit ago a bouncer at a club got stabbed 7 times (4 in the face) for stepping in between a guy and a girl. Was it worth it? Doubt it. He’s done with bouncing now…he specifically quoted he wants to find a nice office job where he doesn’t have to worry about people with knives.

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^^

The Canadian comment was a joke. My apologies to you, sir, if you are Canadian. That nation did produce GSP, after all…

I do honestly feel that stepping in if you see a person getting beaten is the right thing to do. Are there risks? Certainly. You should be cognizant of that fact when you step in.

However, can any one of us state that we have never done anything dangerous (perhaps foolishly so) in our lives? Is the fact that it’s a dangerous thing to do enough to stop a person from doing what is right? I don’t know. I can’t answer that question for you.

Consider this, however. If we have fewer police (which some folks would enjoy) then who does it fall upon to help a person who is being attacked or abused? Logically, it falls on the common man. Someone has to step in to do something, or we have failed each other as a civilized society.

Years ago, citizens policed themselves. It was rare to have more than one law enforcement official for a given town. It wasn’t necessary, because the citizenry knew what was right and what was wrong, so they didn’t allow each other to step out of line. I don’t think many people would disagree when I state that society is no longer that way. But, don’t we still have a duty to protect one another? Or has that just gone out the window entirely?

Also, just to be clear to anonym…I was offering the joint manipulation as one alternative out of many. If you aren’t familiar with them, of course no one is going to expect you to perform one. It was simply an alternative. There are many ways to intercede without performing a joint manipulation. If the issue is with interceding period, then I would ask you to read what I just posted.

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[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Consider this, however. If we have fewer police (which some folks would enjoy) then who does it fall upon to help a person who is being attacked or abused? Logically, it falls on the common man. Someone has to step in to do something, or we have failed each other as a civilized society. [/quote]

The common man is a fucking idiot. This is why we don’t count on him. (common woman too)

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Consider this, however. If we have fewer police (which some folks would enjoy) then who does it fall upon to help a person who is being attacked or abused? Logically, it falls on the common man. Someone has to step in to do something, or we have failed each other as a civilized society. [/quote]

The common man is a fucking idiot. This is why we don’t count on him. (common woman too)
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And the common cop is somehow better? You dont trust the common man, but you think that if you stick a badge on him, a gun in his hands, and a pretty uniform on him then he will somehow be a paragon of virtue who will protect the weak and innocent?

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Consider this, however. If we have fewer police (which some folks would enjoy) then who does it fall upon to help a person who is being attacked or abused? Logically, it falls on the common man. Someone has to step in to do something, or we have failed each other as a civilized society. [/quote]

The common man is a fucking idiot. This is why we don’t count on him. (common woman too)
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And the common cop is somehow better? You dont trust the common man, but you think that if you stick a badge on him, a gun in his hands, and a pretty uniform on him then he will somehow be a paragon of virtue who will protect the weak and innocent?

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You forgot the part about granting extra rights privileges and power while diminishing consequences for physical confrontation.

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I’ll take that over the common man. At least we can have some control over training, recruitment and accountability. I’m sure common men toss helpless folks on a regular basis but they won;t ever be investigated.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Consider this, however. If we have fewer police (which some folks would enjoy) then who does it fall upon to help a person who is being attacked or abused? Logically, it falls on the common man. Someone has to step in to do something, or we have failed each other as a civilized society. [/quote]

The common man is a fucking idiot. This is why we don’t count on him. (common woman too)
[/quote]

And the common cop is somehow better? You dont trust the common man, but you think that if you stick a badge on him, a gun in his hands, and a pretty uniform on him then he will somehow be a paragon of virtue who will protect the weak and innocent?

[/quote]

You forgot the part about granting extra rights privileges and power while diminishing consequences for physical confrontation.[/quote]

My mistake, my friend haha.

The whole set up is just asking for trouble.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
I’ll take that over the common man. At least we can have some control over training, recruitment and accountability. I’m sure common men toss helpless folks on a regular basis but they won;t ever be investigated.

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Screw investigation. Used to if someone did that the people around would rise up and kick the ass of the offender. Nowadays they wait on the police to come do the work for them.

Till its the police that offend that is.

Then justice becomes the exception and the state protects its own.

Its a broken system.

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For the record, I don’t believe the paragon of virtue exists in any man. Anyway, what are you proposing? Anarchy?

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Forgive the second intrusion, but I did want to point this out…

I have been busting Diesel’s balls because, frankly, he’s been coming across as an internet tough guy, which is a particular pet peeve of mine. The shots I’ve been taking at him do not apply to the other people in the thread that I have actually been trying to have an intelligent discussion with.

My particular issue with Diesel stemmed from his complaint that the police did “nothing” in his original thread. The intent of my call out was to show that he, also, did nothing.

Of course, he has ammended the story considerably, as any ITG is going to do, to save face. Now he would like us to believe that he, in all his glorious physique-ness, massive pinnacle of manhood that he is, was outrun by a 20 year old kid. Whatever.

I’ll try to stop the sniping. It’s getting boring anyway.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
For the record, I don’t believe the paragon of virtue exists in any man. Anyway, what are you proposing? Anarchy?[/quote]

Yes. I do not pretend to be intelligent enough to be able to fully argue my stance. I will leave that up to older and wiser people.

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I’ll take that over the common man. At least we can have some control over training, recruitment and accountability. I’m sure common men toss helpless folks on a regular basis but they won;t ever be investigated.

[/quote]

Screw investigation. Used to if someone did that the people around would rise up and kick the ass of the offender. Nowadays they wait on the police to come do the work for them.

Till its the police that offend that is.

Then justice becomes the exception and the state protects its own.

Its a broken system. [/quote]

I sure as hell don’t want to have to count on a bunch of self-appointed thugs for my protection either.

Seriously, what do you propose?

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Actually, DixiesFinest, you just made the same point I did. People used to do that sort of thing. They don’t anymore. So, now what?

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I’ve always been curious about the whole anarchy thing…people who propose it generally assume that they, somehow, would survive it.

Pretty bold assumption.

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:

Either way, it has become apparent that your parents are cousins, and you do nothing to further impede the southern american stereotype. I suggest starting out with phonics for kids, and working your way up.

Served.

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Re read this. He does nothing to impede the southern american stereotype? He does nothing to hinder it? I assume you mean “improve the southern american sterotype?”

Are you retarded?

Losing a fight? just yell that your opponent is just a “southern sterotype!” It is with anti Catholicism the last acceptable prejudice in America.

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You cannot be serious… I ment exactly what i said. A synonym for impede, is interfere, by interfere I could most likely mean, partially stop, or hinder as you said. He does nothing to stop OR change the stereotype of southern americans being retards, IN MY eyes. How can you not grasp this? So my friend I will return the question.

Are you retarded?

p.s Maphwap or w/e the fuck your name is, I just told you exactly how, I couldn’t of stepped in whether I was in that cafe or in texas, clearly this is too difficult for you to understand. Its great how you keep playing the coward card like it upsets me or is even valid. You talk about my age, yet you are a 40? year old cop pulling out ‘your mom’ jokes continually, I mean, at least give them some comedic value or something. You also have over 5-6 years more training experience than me, yet no doubt still look like a piece of shit.

So lets put it all together, a retard cop, who can’t put 1 single valid point together, makes ‘your mom’ jokes, is apparently homophobic: “DieselDickInYourAssAllDay”, double my age, half my intelligence, yet still wants to bitch n cry over a bodybuilding forum that he barely should belong to. Yeah… sounds like a cop to me, my opinion remains stagnant.

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[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Actually, DixiesFinest, you just made the same point I did. People used to do that sort of thing. They don’t anymore. So, now what?[/quote]

^see link I posted.

In short, security balanced by free market and free men defending themselves.

In addition to that link, this book…

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[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:

Either way, it has become apparent that your parents are cousins, and you do nothing to further impede the southern american stereotype. I suggest starting out with phonics for kids, and working your way up.

Served.

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Re read this. He does nothing to impede the southern american stereotype? He does nothing to hinder it? I assume you mean “improve the southern american sterotype?”

Are you retarded?

Losing a fight? just yell that your opponent is just a “southern sterotype!” It is with anti Catholicism the last acceptable prejudice in America.

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You cannot be serious… I ment exactly what i said. A synonym for impede, is interfere, by interfere I could most likely mean, partially stop, or hinder as you said. He does nothing to stop OR change the stereotype of southern americans being retards, IN MY eyes. How can you not grasp this? So my friend I will return the question.

Are you retarded?

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Ah I see what you mean now. Usually people bring in Southerners from the other direction. My apologies.