Speaking to all of this, I actually had a trainer tell me this morning to be careful of “overtraining” - i thought of this discussion and had a good LOL.
hmmmmm maybe I will squat every day I train for the next month to see how it effects me.
[quote]Mascherano wrote:
Speaking to all of this, I actually had a trainer tell me this morning to be careful of “overtraining” - i thought of this discussion and had a good LOL.
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If you see him you should print out the article and give it to him/her and “OVERTRAIN THIS FUCKWAD.” lol
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
hmmmmm maybe I will squat every day I train for the next month to see how it effects me. [/quote]
Could be interesting.
[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
hmmmmm maybe I will squat every day I train for the next month to see how it effects me. [/quote]
Could be interesting.[/quote]
I volunteer Matty to test it 
I’m a great believer in the “you’re not overtrained, you are under conditioned” theory.
We are all lifting way more now than we were capable of when we started, but for some reason we get to a point where we stick with the same number of sets and just keep trying to increase the weight. We forget that there are other variables to play with like volume and frequency.
I mean when did any of us just double our sets or halve our rest periods or do our workout backwards or train the same bodypart 5 days in a row?
We just do the same session each week with maybe 2kg extra.
Hardly shocking for the body, not surprising we don’t adapt (get stronger or bigger) as much as we’d like.
This is how these actors can pile on 30 lbs in a few months for a film. They’re lifting 3x a day, 6 days a week, up from a baseline level of zero. Now that’s a shock to the body, so it adapts.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
hmmmmm maybe I will squat every day I train for the next month to see how it effects me. [/quote]
Could be interesting.[/quote]
I volunteer Matty to test it [/quote]
I second it.
I admit I’m one of those pussies who has to drag himself into the gym most of the time.
With that caveat: don’t forget that even Broz says you can’t do this (train every day) with the deadlift. With the OL lifts and the squat, he is training his athletes for performance -the max level of performance for each day. And the OL lifts and the squat have one key factor (relative to the deadlift) involved -you can only lift as much as your technique allows you to, you can’t grind the lift “successfully” like you can with a deadlift, so this technique factor actually limits how far the lifter can push himself on any given day.
And the other thing people don’t realize is what the “dark times” he refers to means, and this is something all the lifters go through before they succeed in this system of training. YOUR #S GO DOWN first, before they come back up. How many people who don’t have a coach, and are not training for the chance to be the best in the world, are willing to work their asses off, sore as shit every single day, while their lifts are going down in weight, for the chance that they are one of those gifted lifters who can come out better on the other side?
There is a big difference between “working out”, i.e. doing something every day, vs. training for max performance every day, which is what Broz is referring to.
Just my .02, and something to think about.
^great post punnyguy.
Great point about lifts going down first. Many people aren’t willing to go through that to get better, it’s immediate gratification or the program isn’t working…
And no program does last forever. It’s been my experience that repeating a cycle never has the same effect as the first time through unless there is a large gap of time before the same cycle is repeated.
Thanks dday & German.
Google An Interview with Max Aita -it’s awesome. Aita is @ CalStrength with Pendlay, he trained with the source himself, Abadjiev, and is asked about his experience in this interview. When he started with Abadjiev, he front squatted 230kg; at week six, he was missing!!! at 170kg -that’s a decline of 132 lbs! That, my friends, is the “dark times” that is glossed over in one brief sentence in the Broz article.
(start at 2:30 for you impatient folk)
edit to add: at the end of the interview, Aita mentions that Abadjiev told him the Bulgarians had gym lifts 10 to 15kgs higher than their OL meet (i.e. OL Gold) lifts -something to think about wrt unofficial WRs set in the gym…
Excellent stuff PG…seems Im forever stuck in dark times lol…over the past 4 months my bench and squat has decreased…but Ill keep on trucking, as Im trying to correct form errors.
Im totally aware of what broz is saying, however the article is presented to the masses in a way that I feel may evoke the wrong response and action in the reader. I think its somewhat irresponsible journalism, heck the pics doesent even have anything to do with the article. That is where my problem lies.
Maybe what I do is simply “working out” but I do give it my all, and I have had more losses in the gym than victories. Many due to my own stupidity and possibly ego, but always trying hard in order to have those fleeting PR victories.
This has created some great stuff here guys thanks for all the wealth of educated opinions.
Todays shit show…
Continuing under German’s 8 week program…
week 4
DL 135/10 225/5 315/3
DL OFF PLATE 385X3,3
RACKPULLS 405X2X2 315X5*
SQUAT BAR/10 135/10 225/5 315/2
DB ROW 85/10 100/5 125/5,5,5
UR ROW 135/10 155/10 185/5 135/10
BAND LEG RAISES 10,10,10
NOTES - I am gonna try the squatting in some shape or form every day I train. Again Im curious what will happen if anything. I was very uncomfortable with the rack pulls, I had to stack up 3 plates to get myself at mid chin level. If anyone has any ideas Id appreciate it with rigging the rack for the pull
If your gym has the wide, heavy stable jump boxes/platforms (wider than the 45 plates by a decent amount), you can set up in a power rack with the weight on the safety bars while you stand and pull from the platform. You can adjust the height of your pull by moving the safety bars.
My gym has a crappy power rack where the safety bars in the lowest holes only get to my knees. I get to mid-shin when I stand on one of these platforms, which are rock solid to pull from (if they’re the right ones). Since my gym also has the crappy non-round plates, doing this is also the only way to “roll” the weight towards you, if that’s how you like to DL.
YEP! I got the same shitty rack too PG, but the platforms are plastic and might not be able to handle 650lbs…lol
when i first joined the gym a couple years back (after being almost totally sedentary) I told the guy who was going to do my program that i wanted to train every day. he said i should take one day off per week so i didn’t get totally obsessed with the gym (ha!) and… i’ve trained 6/7 times per week (taking a day off when i don’t feel like going - which probably only happens about 4 times per month) ever since.
the first month all i did was go to the gym and eat and sleep. the DOMS was bad. i could hardly move. but i kept going to the gym and things eventually got better. i also picked that time to quit a very longstanding habit of smoking a hell of a lot of cigarettes, though. i was supposed to be writing my thesis which meant that in practice i just bailed on life for a while.
i adapted and didn’t need to sleep as much.
but still, if i do 6x6@80% squats i know i need to sleep for 13 hours before i can have a productive day (and train the next day, of course).
i am starting to realize that certain things simply are harder to recover from. maybe because i’m not adapted to them, but maybe something in their nature.
i snatch to max most days i train. my max for the day can be anywhere from 70-100% my actual max. if you train most days 80% feels one hell of a lot harder than if you take a couple days recovery between sessions. for snatching… it works quite well. the most important thing seems to be getting in a very high volume of repetitions with as close to perfect technique as you can with as high a weight as you can manage. you can’t handle as much when you train a lot but getting the volume in prepares you well for having a break and then really smashing it out of the ballpark. reducing the training frequency in order to lift heavier loads less frequently would be counter-productive for snatch training, i think.
but not for deadlift.
it takes me about 2 weeks to recover from a near max deadlift. in the sense that i can’t snatch nearly every day to max AND deadlift. my lower back can handle snatching to max every day - but as soon as i add in deadlifts it gets overuse injury. so i think i get what he means about basically leaving deadlifts the hell alone (for people who care about the snatch).
there are a couple Oly Lifters (Koing and AQRTguy (or similar posting name - sorry). They front squat to daily max (which of course varies a lot from their actual max) then back off a certain percent (forget how much sorry) and do 2x2 every time they train. Swear it helps the clean a lot (the only reason they are squatting anyway).
I’m thinking of moving to that once I’m done with the RSR.
People often tell me I’d make greater gains if I rested more… Perhaps I would be lifting heavier weights more regularly… But… Tonnage moved per week? I’m not so sure… And longer term for Oly Lifting… I’m not so sure.
(aw sorry that was a rant. i just mean to say that i can’t imagine what it would be like training 3x per week. very different i would suppose. be able to lift much more weight, i suspect)
Matty I think anyone who packs as much size as you isn’t loosing anything in the gym
some days you just feel like crap and other days you tear shit up
its natural ebbs and flows like the tides.
you just moved- and from what we have discussed have all he usual parental work stress
as for the pictures in the article they do it all the time here -
they have a stock of bad BB training pics and I am always like what does shirtless
waxed dude doing leg presses have to do with perri work out nutrition
I think the dark times is a bit glossed over I felt like death when I wrestled in college
but eventually you either get over it- or you just get good on functioning on no sleep
no energy etc and slowly your body does start to perform again.
I mean think of all the people who are alcoholics or junkies who go to work and sort of function
I guess its the same thing right? :)))
and again lets not forget the lack of eccentric portion of most of the olifts
its not body building with its super volume
your not hammering away on smaller muscle groups with multiple exercises
and Alexus koing is a beat of a beast. he keeps a steady log.
I think that I work out, instead of work out.
=)
Yes, that was my contribution.
Just lettin’ ya know that I’m still here Matty. And that your log always has some sort of discussion going on.
Hey guyz, guyz, guess what?! I just heard about this new(?) gym that opened over in Redhook called the South Brooklyn Weightlifting Club. Its over by the Fairway.
Apparently they have platforms, and stones, and kegs, and a power rack…Of course the website is useless, but the cat who owns it is this dude Paul Steinman - maybe Kev knows him? Says he’s a powerlifter.
Anyways, just wanted to let you and KMC know about this place in case you don’t. Could be a useful resource one day…who knows!
have a great July 4th Matty!!