Did you read the article today?
not yet, I will though, im not in the office today so Im gonna check it out now…
^ You will find it interesting believe me, will look forward to seeing what you think.
ummm just read it, I am not ashamed to say that is way too hardcore for me!
What about the DL advice?
“Max out on squats every day. Max out on deadlifts 2-3 times per year.”
I mean everything is so extreme! I cant say I agree with his methodolgies, and I know who the hell am I, but it just seems so slanted and extreme to one aspect, maybe when your 19 like Pat Mendez is and have no other responsibilities it would be more conceivable.
I love heavy rows, chins etc and this guy doesent believe in em, the only assistance exercise he did allow ironically enough was curls lol.
the kid is amazing. For me its a no no, espescially when I just said that rest and recovery is ideal for better performance in the gym.
I also understand his methodolgies I believe are geared towards the gifted athlete and not me.
What do you think?
Hell no way I could do crazy shit like that, my thought was more on his opinion on DL.
For myself I have found that 2-3 times a year I get a big pull, and then the rest I suck balls or hurt my back. I am mentally working through that maybe that is a nugget of wisdom in the decreasing max DL.
I was doing DL this morning decent morning nothing to write home about but really first time to do any decent weight since I hurt my back and rehabbed. So I started thinking about my training regiment and doing more DL assistant exercises and doing true heavy (not max) DL’s every other week. Then once a quarter or when I really felt good and had been a while since I maxed to try a max.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Hell no way I could do crazy shit like that, my thought was more on his opinion on DL.
For myself I have found that 2-3 times a year I get a big pull, and then the rest I suck balls or hurt my back. I am mentally working through that maybe that is a nugget of wisdom in the decreasing max DL.
I was doing DL this morning decent morning nothing to write home about but really first time to do any decent weight since I hurt my back and rehabbed. So I started thinking about my training regiment and doing more DL assistant exercises and doing true heavy (not max) DL’s every other week. Then once a quarter or when I really felt good and had been a while since I maxed to try a max.[/quote]
I believe you should train to build your DL. I get burned out really fast just DLing. There are plenty of assistance/variations/etc that will get your pull strong, without pulling heavy every week. Right now I am planning to pull heavy straight weight from the floor maybe every 3-5 weeks.
^ I know I have seen this before, but like the knuckle dragging, big forehead sloped, stubborn ass mule that I am for almost 2 years I pulled every week. No trying to change some things up, lose BF and work on my weakness before I start back. When I do I am going to have to do this Pete.
Don’t forget he doesn’t rate rows and chins for “Olympic” lifters. He’s just dropping anything that doesn’t directly imrove the snatch and C&J.
And I think the “only max on the DL 2-3 x a year” is BECAUSE they are doing daily max squats, if they weren’t I’m sure he would have them maxing more often.
Don’t write the idea off completely, it is a little extreme I admit, but I tried it for a couple of weeks before Christmas and there is definitely something to it. There’s no better way IMO to “own” a weight (as CK has said) than lifting it everyday. If you tried it you would surprise yourself what you are capable of.
EDIT - I’m not suggesting you use it for deadlifts, but it would be a great “plateau buster” for stuck lifts.
^ So doing the squat every day? Which could carry over into the DL?
Well they do say if your squat goes up so does your deadlift and I’d bet that Pat Mendes has an awesome deadlift from just squatting everyday.
My DL went from 440 to 484 without doing a single deadlift rep just from squatting.
^ Cool, man talk about mental toughness, to just Squat everyday and heavy.
So squats everyday for everyone?
That’s going to make for some boring logs. 
nice Mp all the same
I think you can OH press more then I bench right now.
I was lucky enough to train a little bit overseas
went to what is now the czech republic and cuba
to wrestling at the former , judo at the latter.
at the time I was 20 ish a full time student,
and I trained at least 2x a day 6 days a week 1x on sunday
and 3x at least 3x a week.
I ran 10 to 13 miles a day wrestling practice in the afternoon
and more runs conditioning, sprints what have you at night.
I think they did more- at the OTC when I went there and more still in
the czech republic.
the OTC S&C guy was a disciple of Javorek so he was crazy too.
so like Pat Mendes most serious athletes at that age however troubled
have less to do aside from perform.
And like them - if you wanted any attention- at all from your coach
you needed to do this or why would they waste any time on you
kinda crazy.
O-lifting is different too.
your totally’greasing the groove’ via squats.
and your highest work sets are 3, or 5s.
huge difference there.
and no negative.
drop every , clean, jerk, snatch etc - it shaves off allot of wear and tear.
its still crazy ass shit.
but If I could - I would front squat 3x a week or more and I prob would not get so sore.
This is true it is definitely geared towards the Oly lifter, which I find amazing BTW, seeing that kid Mendez and his lifts were something to marvel at. The ironic thing is, is yes he is a big kid but if you saw him walking down the street you would just think big kid not Oly Prodigy.
This is all very interesting, it is making me think about my training philosophy and squatting and DLing in general. I wonder if I should squat every session, not balls to the wall but some form of it and varying degrees of intensity.
DJ - I still think that may be a bit too scarce, I can see maxing out every 8 weeks may be right for me. I have learned my lesson that I was trying to max out way too often however.
Pete - You say your gonna pull heavy from the floor every 3-5 weeks, will you still pull from the floor for the weeks leading up to it at a lesser weight, or will you use different variations of the pull leading up to up to the 5 week mark?
Brett - Yeah I read the article again and was more cognizant of the specific training it was for Oly lifting. Are you saying all you did was squat for a period of time and never pulled and your DL went up 40lbs? that is awesome and some real food for thought.
Ddot - I would love to see if many us started squatting every session how it would effect everyone, it would be interesting as to who it would positively and negatively affect.
Kev - I would love to hear stories about your travels back in the day, it sounds like stuff good books are made of. MY GOD thats a shit ton of training more than the Broz article!
Awesome stuff guys thanks.
I think you probably need to limit going over 90% on DL’s to every so often but on the other hand I think there is real value in pulling around 90% for seveal singles faily often. I also think this is good for squats as well though given my level of squating maybe I shouldn’t be commenting on it.
I also think there is a big difference in how you lift training for a meet and how you lift if you just want to be strong. Because you are going to go balls out at the meet, you can’t over tax your self leading up to that.
If you aren’t training for a meet then you have more leeway. If you push yourself a bit too hard its easy to back off and recover.
It seems to me that the thing about sqautting for DL’s doesn’t hold true for everyone. If I have to stop DLing, and I did for a bit, but still squat I may be stronger in my legs but the weight feels heavy as hell in my hands when I get back to Dling and my numbers go down until I readjust to it.
Brett is just a freak of nature but you already knew that
[quote]PeteS wrote:
I believe you should train to build your DL.
That is a golden nugget right there…
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
I think you probably need to limit going over 90% on DL’s to every so often but on the other hand I think there is real value in pulling around 90% for seveal singles faily often. I also think this is good for squats as well though given my level of squating maybe I shouldn’t be commenting on it.
I also think there is a big difference in how you lift training for a meet and how you lift if you just want to be strong. Because you are going to go balls out at the meet, you can’t over tax your self leading up to that.
If you aren’t training for a meet then you have more leeway. If you push yourself a bit too hard its easy to back off and recover.
It seems to me that the thing about sqautting for DL’s doesn’t hold true for everyone. If I have to stop DLing, and I did for a bit, but still squat I may be stronger in my legs but the weight feels heavy as hell in my hands when I get back to Dling and my numbers go down until I readjust to it.
Brett is just a freak of nature but you already knew that[/quote]
Yeah that is good point as well with regards to the weight in your hand.
regarding pulling from the floor, I will use different variations, already see it in my log: RDLs, deficits, and now going to start really ramping up on pulls from floor against bands/chains, overloading the top end and building up on speed off the floor. don’t overlook rack pulls, especially for sets in the 2-5 range. And not silly ones from above the knee to stroke the ego, I like to go from maybe a 2 inch elevation up to an inch or see beneath the knee.
also to build your pull, box squats are golden. even from a bit above parrallel. plus it gives you an excuse to squat high:)