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LOL!
I think that this, along with Xbox’s better pricing structure is going to steal a lot of customers away from the other console makers.
That is one BIG goal of Kinect - to get more people onto Xbox. Microsoft have said this themselves, and that they are working on other technologies for their more “hardcore gamers” so as not to alienate them.
Kinect is a massive fail. So far, absolutely NOTHING has been demonstrated or even hinted at for the hardcore gamers, but the pricepoint and fact that a 360 is needed make it seem like it’s not even properly aimed at casual gamers either. Couple that with the horrible delay, and the fact that they removed the CPU from the camera itself forcing the 360 to handle Kinect’s processing, and you’ve got one shitty peripheral.
Bullshit. What other technologies? Just give me more games, ideally some good exclusives NOT made by Rare, and I’ll be happy.
“Good morning Batman” lol.
[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
Kinect is a massive fail. So far, absolutely NOTHING has been demonstrated or even hinted at for the hardcore gamers, but the pricepoint and fact that a 360 is needed make it seem like it’s not even properly aimed at casual gamers either. Couple that with the horrible delay, and the fact that they removed the CPU from the camera itself forcing the 360 to handle Kinect’s processing, and you’ve got one shitty peripheral. [/quote]
Are you kidding me? All you need is one person with a 360, and now with one extra unit the whole family can play without buying an entirely new console or 4 sets of remotes. Couple that with an xbox live family pass ($100 for 1 year for the whole family XBLIVE subscription), you really think that it’s not going to be a success?
Kinect is not meant for hardcore gamers, neither is a fucking Wii. Out of the 3 approachs taken by the major players, this one is the smartest. Sony’s Move is just Wii HD.
Exhibit A:
There are other things in the works if you bother to look, but you really think that Microsoft would forget about the people who spend the most money with them? Their library of games is already plentiful, 3D is just a fad anyway (the 360 has been 3D capable since day one too).
If MS’s goal is to get more Xboxes into people’s homes, I don’t think Kinect is the way to do it…at least not while costing $150.
Tell that to MS. They seem to think it’s universal. You and I knowing it’s not for hardcore gamers hasn’t stopped MS from spouting bullshit about it having games for everyone. Thing is, it looks like it could be implemented well into hardcore games. It’s just unfortunate that we’re probably only going to see exercise/dance games and mini-game compilations.
Also, while I pretty much can’t stand the Wii(it’s SD graphics and the majority of its library), it seems to at least have some decent hardcore titles.
Smartest…except for the Wii…which was first and did ridiculously well. Move at least looks like it will be easier to integrate into hardcore games as well…which is really all I care about. I mean, we’ve already seen it used in Socom and some shitty fighting game. I appreciate that they aren’t purely speaking in hypotheticals…even if what they’ve shown has been balls.
[quote]Exhibit A:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/06/microsoft-patent-application-proposes-six-axis-remote-thats-but/[/quote]
Yawn. More games please.
I sure hope it’s just a fad. Though with the inevitable, raging success that the 3DS will see, I worry that it won’t be.
Microsoft have admitted that Kinect is not for hardcore gamers: MS plays down Kinects hardcore appeal - MCV/DEVELOP
How do you pull in the rest of a family of 4 to play games on a 360 (when only the son, for example, is playing)? Unify with Kinect, and make it easy for the whole family to get online. Make it interactive. They are growing the community. Kids are going to LOVE this, and that’s the whole point.
I’m not sure how well the Kinect system could work with FPS’s and such, because there is that XXms delay which would be too much for the accuracy you need in something like Modern Warfare. However, with other “smarter” controllers, who knows.
I’ll probably buy a Kinect, one of the reasons being is that I think it’s fucking cool to control the whole interface with gestures and voice control and 2nd of all, you can have multiple people play games when they come round. It will depend on future titles though, I’m not buying it straight off the bat.
I also don’t see how people still complain about the new console, that costs EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE OLD ONE, while it comes with all the features of a PS3 (minus bluray).
As for integrating Move into hardcore games, why? I don’t want to wave that shit around to play a FPS, I’d rather use a standard remote controller.
Yes, Wii did it first and did it well - I think that’s why they have the largest chunk of the audience. Microsoft and Sony want a piece of it.
Dick Fountain…
(That is all i have to contribute to this discussion … carry on)
[quote]polo77j wrote:
Dick Fountain…
(That is all i have to contribute to this discussion … carry on)[/quote]
The Boston Strangler stikes again!
[quote]RSGZ wrote:Microsoft have admitted that Kinect is not for hardcore gamers: MS plays down Kinects hardcore appeal - MCV/DEVELOP
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I think they knew they didn’t have anything interesting for the hardcore crowd at E3 and issued that statement as damage control.
From an interview with CVG:
"I think we know that hard-core gamers will be the first to go out and buy it, as they are with any product, so we know we have to have a wide range of experiences, from things like [an] animals game to games that are more geared towards the core.
Who’s been complaining about the new console? It looks great, it’s whisper quiet, it’s touch sensitive buttons work instantly(whereas the PS3’s don’t), it (finally) has built in WiFi, and it has a 250GB harddrive, and like you said, it costs the same as the old one. Probably a case of haters gotta hate.
I’d rather use a standard controller too, but there is potential for fun gameplay mechanics using motion controls integrated into hardcore games. You might not want to wave your arms around, but 1:1 sword combat sounds more appealing to me than spamming repetitive X,X,Y combos.
Big. Fucking. Deal.
Last I checked my controllers worked pretty well.
I really doubt this will pan out as well as these companies think it will. You want motion? Play a Wii. You want kickass games? Play a 360 or PS3.
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
Big. Fucking. Deal.
Last I checked my controllers worked pretty well.
I really doubt this will pan out as well as these companies think it will. You want motion? Play a Wii. You want kickass games? Play a 360 or PS3. [/quote]
BINGO!!! These new peripherals go to show that both Sony and Microsoft are being reactionary and have lost their way when it comes to gaming. Not every system needs movement controllers. Lets be creative and cover NEW ground. Better games, less sequels, less gimmicks are what we need IMO.
So 6-axis controllers aren’t movement controllers?
Advance or die, technology can’t be stagnant.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
So 6-axis controllers aren’t movement controllers?
Advance or die, technology can’t be stagnant.[/quote]
First: YOU are the one that brought up 6-axis controllers. I think those are a gimmicks too.
Second: How is repeating what another company did advancing tech? The Wii did the motion thing… It’s time to advance and move on. Not make another movement thing, advance.
I like regular controllers, that’s the ONLY way I’ll play a video game. I don’t want to move when I play. If they start to do the whole virtual reality, eye tracking, where you think about moving and your character moves thing then I might be interested.
[quote]brnforce wrote:
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
So 6-axis controllers aren’t movement controllers?
Advance or die, technology can’t be stagnant.[/quote]
First: YOU are the one that brought up 6-axis controllers. I think those are a gimmicks too.
Second: How is repeating what another company did advancing tech? The Wii did the motion thing… It’s time to advance and move on. Not make another movement thing, advance.
I like regular controllers, that’s the ONLY way I’ll play a video game. I don’t want to move when I play. If they start to do the whole virtual reality, eye tracking, where you think about moving and your character moves thing then I might be interested.[/quote]
Dude, really? If not every system needs movement controllers, then why do all of the consoles have them now, or just about to? Maybe because they are that popular. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s not a good idea.
How is improving on what the Wii has done NOT advancement?
You like regular controllers? Fine - so do I infact. No one is forcing the new system on you.
But once the Kinect is out, that will provide a lot of feedback and hopefully help them develop something else that may even suite the more ‘real’ gamers. I don’t understand the point of being so negative and close minded.
Is the current selection of games really too small for you?
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
Big. Fucking. Deal.
Last I checked my controllers worked pretty well.
I really doubt this will pan out as well as these companies think it will. You want motion? Play a Wii. You want kickass games? Play a 360 or PS3. [/quote]
So it’s wrong for the 360 to combine kickass games with motion?
Why all the hate?
[quote]brnforce wrote:
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
Big. Fucking. Deal.
Last I checked my controllers worked pretty well.
I really doubt this will pan out as well as these companies think it will. You want motion? Play a Wii. You want kickass games? Play a 360 or PS3. [/quote]
BINGO!!! These new peripherals go to show that both Sony and Microsoft are being reactionary and have lost their way when it comes to gaming. Not every system needs movement controllers. Lets be creative and cover NEW ground. Better games, less sequels, less gimmicks are what we need IMO.[/quote]
Motion control and 3D are the “NEW ground”.
I’m not particularly thrilled with motion control technology. The only two games on the Wii I want to play are Madworld and Epic Mickey, and I don’t think either game is so much better off because it uses motion control instead of a standard controller. However, with the Wii selling enough units to match the Xbox and PS3 sales combined M$ and $ony would be retarded not to invest in motion control.
The PS3’s Move controller looks like a blatant rip off of the Wii controller, but the Xbox’s Kinect is far more innovative. I’ll buy the Kinect just for the user interface, but I see it going much deeper than that. It would be a great tool for adding user created content or customizing future games with textures or in-game objects.
Better Games = More Sequels. The best games are franchises in themselves. Gears of War, God of War, Halo, Modern Warfare, Ghost Recon. It would be idiotic to develop new game and physics engines just to discard them after one game. It would be financially irresponsible not to revisit a hit game to further develop that world’s story, characters, and game play.