Lesson to be learned:
If you’re going to play football stay the fuck out of PA.
Michael Vick in Philly
Big Ben in Pittsburgh
Sandusky at Penn State
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Lesson to be learned:
If you’re going to play football stay the fuck out of PA.
Michael Vick in Philly
Big Ben in Pittsburgh
Sandusky at Penn State[/quote]
If you pay attention to educational news you would stay put of PA on that note alone.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Paterno AND the graduate assistant should have both gone to the police…just passing the buck up the line when a 50 year old man is fucking a 10 year old boy the locker room shower. IS FUCKED UP…repeat there is NO excuse for this.
Additionally the Grad assistant (former QB at Penn State, his father who he called directly after was an assistant coach) should have grabbed the kid and knocked that old pedo the fuck out.[/quote]
I think the whole group needs to be cleaned out at this point. I am not defending anything done by penn state. Nothing whatsoever.
But Joe Paterno claims that the grad assistant told him that Sandusky was doing ‘inappropriate things’ in the other building or whatever. Thats different than being told that a rape was witnessed. If that’s true, that Paterno was only told that inappropriate things happened (which is a very general term, e.g. could mean that a someone was having an off color conversation, etc.) I dont think that he should be given much blame.
If he knew more, then absolutely.
I think the Grad student and the Janitor, the ACTUAL witnesses, should have gone to the police immediately. Their actions are not excusable IMO.
From the info we have, Joe Paterno is a middle man. And with his reputation as someone who values education of his players and emphasizing model citizenship it’s hard to imagine that he’d ignore a claim of child rape. But reputations have been exposed as frauds in the past so who knows.
He still needs to step down though.
edit.
It seems reasonable to think that Paterno could have gotten more details from the Grad Assnt. Unless the grad assnt wouldnt talk about what he saw, I find it hard to believe that Paterno wouldnt ask any questions.
I dont believe that he didnt know about molestation at the very least.
I love how ESPN is shifting the focus away from Sandusky and more on Paterno. Nobody is even concern about the victims,its about how everyone is covering their own ass (No pun intended) This story makes me sick.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Paterno AND the graduate assistant should have both gone to the police…just passing the buck up the line when a 50 year old man is fucking a 10 year old boy the locker room shower. IS FUCKED UP…repeat there is NO excuse for this.
Additionally the Grad assistant (former QB at Penn State, his father who he called directly after was an assistant coach) should have grabbed the kid and knocked that old pedo the fuck out.[/quote]
I think the whole group needs to be cleaned out at this point. I am not defending anything done by penn state. Nothing whatsoever.
But Joe Paterno claims that the grad assistant told him that Sandusky was doing ‘inappropriate things’ in the other building or whatever. Thats different than being told that a rape was witnessed. If that’s true, that Paterno was only told that inappropriate things happened (which is a very general term, e.g. could mean that a someone was having an off color conversation, etc.) I dont think that he should be given much blame.
If he knew more, then absolutely.
I think the Grad student and the Janitor, the ACTUAL witnesses, should have gone to the police immediately. Their actions are not excusable IMO.
From the info we have, Joe Paterno is a middle man. And with his reputation as someone who values education of his players and emphasizing model citizenship it’s hard to imagine that he’d ignore a claim of child rape. But reputations have been exposed as frauds in the past so who knows.
He still needs to step down though. [/quote]
Think about all the trash that is discussed and joked about in the locker room. If it is worth alerting your boss over and a kid is involved then it is going to be serious. Maybe Jo Pa a bit deaf, huh.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Paterno AND the graduate assistant should have both gone to the police…just passing the buck up the line when a 50 year old man is fucking a 10 year old boy the locker room shower. IS FUCKED UP…repeat there is NO excuse for this.
Additionally the Grad assistant (former QB at Penn State, his father who he called directly after was an assistant coach) should have grabbed the kid and knocked that old pedo the fuck out.[/quote]
I think the whole group needs to be cleaned out at this point. I am not defending anything done by penn state. Nothing whatsoever.
But Joe Paterno claims that the grad assistant told him that Sandusky was doing ‘inappropriate things’ in the other building or whatever. Thats different than being told that a rape was witnessed. If that’s true, that Paterno was only told that inappropriate things happened (which is a very general term, e.g. could mean that a someone was having an off color conversation, etc.) I dont think that he should be given much blame.
If he knew more, then absolutely.
I think the Grad student and the Janitor, the ACTUAL witnesses, should have gone to the police immediately. Their actions are not excusable IMO.
From the info we have, Joe Paterno is a middle man. And with his reputation as someone who values education of his players and emphasizing model citizenship it’s hard to imagine that he’d ignore a claim of child rape. But reputations have been exposed as frauds in the past so who knows.
He still needs to step down though. [/quote]
Think about all the trash that is discussed and joked about in the locker room. If it is worth alerting your boss over and a kid is involved then it is going to be serious. Maybe Jo Pa a bit deaf, huh.[/quote]
agreed. I posted my edit before this was up.
Joe Paterno is the most powerful and influential person by far at that institution. Way moreso than the Athletic Director or University President. His tenure there has been built over decades on control and secrecy.
The Grad Assistant (who was promoted to an actual coaching position the following year) went straight to Paterno’s house the following morning with his concerns about what he saw and was freaked out. Paterno reported it to the AD (his boss on paper only) and promptly forgot about it. I think it’s implausible to think that Paterno did not know the details of what happened, or that the GA would go to his house in a panic and only say “something inappropriate” happened, with no other details provided or inquired about.
There is also the fact that Sandusky was witnessed on multiple occasions in the fucking locker room of the facility doing this stuff. He obviously felt comfortable and safe using the Penn State facilities for this reason. The administration told him not to bring children to the facility afterward, essentially acknowledging that something was going on but otherwise doing nothing to investigate it or prevent further incidents. Sandusky was also once the heir-apparent to Paterno but was mysteriously fired from his coordinator position in 1999, shortly after the 1998 incident was investigated (but no charges by police).
The fact that the actual witnesses never came to the police is terrible in itself. But given the above and the control that Paterno has always had over Penn State, there is no way that he did not know what was going on (or he simply refused to acknowledge it or be curious about it). Everyone around Paterno, including athletic department administrators, current assistants, and former coaches, were involved and culpable. Paterno may be legally covered because he casually reported it to the AD to eventually be buried, but IMO he has overall responsibility and enabled it to continue.
Yeah, was about to comment on bonez post before the edit.
Any person rationale enough to report such an incident would not vaguely describe child rape as “inappropriate things”
Actually, I think that most adults on hearing about a man doing inappropriate things with a child would have sexual assault flags, fireworks, and pink flying elephants on parade filling the sky with smoke spelling “sexuail assault” blowing out their trunks and tails.
My way of saying not something to ignore.
The testimony from the graduate assistant was graphic…he claimed he told Paterno the graphic truth (this does NOT excuse the GA from not going to the police, he must have had almost biblical faith in Paterno not to) and Paterno went to the AD with it.
First off, even if he did do his legal duty…he saw Sandusky on campus…with boys as late as 2009.
And did NOTHING.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Actually, I think that most adults on hearing about a man doing inappropriate things with a child would have sexual assault flags, fireworks, and pink flying elephants on parade filling the sky with smoke spelling “sexuail assault” blowing out their trunks and tails.
My way of saying not something to ignore.[/quote]
also, if you wre the boss and someone said “i saw one of your employees doing inappropriate things with a little boy” wouldnt your first question be “What sort of ‘inappropriate things’ did you see?”
Who in their right mind wouldn’t ask for more info upon being told that?
There is also the possibility that Paterno is not fully in control of all his mental faculties, and has not been for some time.
So all these people are covering for HIM.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
There is also the possibility that Paterno is not fully in control of all his mental faculties, and has not been for some time.
So all these people are covering for HIM.[/quote]
The first known (to us anyway) incidents were reported in 1998… Paterno wasnt that old then… if 13 years later he can still “run the football program” (i know he’s more of a figure head now but still) then he was mentally aware enough to know that diddling kids in the teams locker room was a bad thing.
Joe Pa has a history of worrying about Penn State and thats it…He hired a womens basketball coach that was outwardly vocal about not having any lesbians on her woman basketball team, which is next to impossible yet she lasted at Penn State over 20 years. Some women’s lives were ruined because of her yet Joe Pa remained tight lipped.
I believe it was a graduate assistant who actually viewed a 10 year old getting raped in the shower, Joe Pa new about this and did as little as possible being a mandated reporter. Disgusting and vile, Sandusky preyed on the weak broken home somewhat “nerdy” boy and fucking travelled with them!
These predators always seem to find to get them selves in roles such as Sandusky had with these children, they use these roles that are outwardly trusting and caring to quell their thirst for little boys.
I just listened to an old Sandusky interview on the radio talking about his football camp and he used the words “touch” and “feel” and it made me sick to my stomach…
Once again my faith in humanity takes another jarring hit
I don’t have cable right now and hadn’t heard of this til this morning. A guy came in to my work and mentioned an “ex coach who molested kids”. I did not expect the situation to be this FUCKED UP. First, my heart goes out to the kids and their families. I can’t even imagine what they went/ are going through. With that, everyone involved who had a chance to get this sucking off the streets is a fucking scumbag. There are no excuses, and no matter what Paterno says to cover his ass a large part of this is on his hands and his nice guy act is shot.
I know this feeling is over-reactionary right now, but when my son is of age to play sports I’m going to be the dad that looks at his coaches sideways.
And not because the coach didn’t let him steal second or benched him without reason or wasn’t appropriately taught how to cut on an out route.
Because I need to make triple-quadruple sure his coach isn’t touching him inapropriately.
What the motherfucking fuck man. It also raises the question “if this is happening right under the noses of a DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL PROGRAM then where else is it happening?”
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I just listened to an old Sandusky interview on the radio talking about his football camp and he used the words “touch” and “feel” and it made me sick to my stomach…
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Did you see Jerry Sandusky’s autobiography?
(This is really his autobiography… “Touched”… sick POS)
Brad you HAVE to be this way, and your totally right in doing so these predators FLOCK to the coaches, scoutmasters and sleepaway camp leader positions to get their hands on our children much easier…Im with you, I will always question another adults alterior motives in capacities such as this…
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I just listened to an old Sandusky interview on the radio talking about his football camp and he used the words “touch” and “feel” and it made me sick to my stomach…
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Did you see Jerry Sandusky’s autobiography?
(This is really his autobiography… “Touched”… sick POS)[/quote]
you have got to be shitting me.
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
I know this feeling is over-reactionary right now, but when my son is of age to play sports I’m going to be the dad that looks at his coaches sideways.
And not because the coach didn’t let him steal second or benched him without reason or wasn’t appropriately taught how to cut on an out route.
Because I need to make triple-quadruple sure his coach isn’t touching him inapropriately.
What the motherfucking fuck man. It also raises the question “if this is happening right under the noses of a DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL PROGRAM then where else is it happening?”
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+1