[quote]BALKANBOY wrote:
You got the point there,wrestlers are for sure one of the strongest athletes.For instance take Igor Karelin,olympic gold medalist.the guy is monster,275 pounds,7% bf.Russian top MMA fighters said that he is even too strong for sparring.He kicks your ass and makes leather jacket out of you.[/quote]
It’s Alexander Karelin by the way.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Igor Karelin had only one point scored on him from 1990 to 2000!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/olympics/newswire/2000/09/01/49245022217_afp/
I was really disappointed with the way Rulon Gardner beat him in his last Olympics…getting awarded a point for illegal grip and then just laying there like a fat plug. I was rooting for him, but not to win like that.[/quote]
I feel the same way, it was bullshit… Karelin was gased and way out of his prime. I hated to see him go out on a bad note… the only time I wanted someone to beat an American at the olympics.
I have lots of respect for anyone who is soo good at any sport. They are so few.
[quote]rbm098 wrote:
Carter there is wrestling for older folks! I think the best way is to try and find a club that allows adults, not just kids, they are hard to find…also that garber dude kicks ass! Check out this video though, as smokey would say from the movie firday, " you got knocked the F%ck out!"[/quote]
Sometimes wrestlers try to stand and throw when they should wrestle.
Up In Canada, we didn’t have realpro on TV, but I ordered the DVDs and some t-shirts etc. and I really enjoyed it. The guys wrestling are real wrestlers at the highest caliber:
55 kg-Sammie Henson Olympic Silver, World Champ
60 kg- Zach Roberson (2 time?) NCAA champ
66 kg- Chris Bono multiple time NCAA champ, National Champion
74 kg- Joe Williams World Bronze Medalist
84 kg- Brandon Eggum World Silver medalist
96 kg- Daniel Cormier 4th at olympics
120 kg- Tolly Thompson, national champion…just to name a few
a lot of the guys I listed did not even win the tourney, so it tells you the quality of the wrestling!! It is a variation on freestyle (international, NOT US HS/College) with some greco stuff thrown in and the scoring system is slightly different with 4 and 6 pt throws and summative scoring as opposed to the 1,2,3 (5 for a high amp) and round system in Freestyle…there are other differences for excitement but new fans will like it and current and ex wrestlers will easily adapt to understanding the scoring system within a match
Highly recommended and the profiles of the wrestlers etc. are lots of fun.
[quote]buckaroo wrote:
I’m not a wrestler and do not know much about it. I was wondering what you guys thought about the show realprowrestling. I never saw an episode…came on at very odd times. It looked like the UFC of wrestling. Good stuff or pretty lame?[/quote]
What are wrestlers currently doing to train? I am using a Westside split with a rowing variation as the max effort upper body exercise, a sandbag trainign day instead of a DE leg day, and conditioning at the end of each workout for about 10 minutes.
[quote]Sonny S wrote:
True story: right before my senior year of HS, I had decided to join the wrestling team. I had gotten into great shape over the summer getting ready for football, and was looking forward to wrestling season which began after football. Plus, the new wrestling coach was also my O-line coach.
What happened was the coach recruited the best football athlete, an absolute freak, and the most athletic lineman, to be his heavyweight and light-heavy wrestlers.
For some reason, I missed the first day of tryouts but the next morning I was dying to know what my two teammates thought of wrestling and how it went. I was really looking forward to after-school so I could try out as well.
What happened was…they had both quit. After 1 tryout session, they’d had enough! They said it was like training camp all over again.
For some stupid reason (peer pressure?), I let that influence me and never tried out for the team. I figured since it was too hard for them, both better athletes than I was, it’d be too hard for me. F#ck, its still one of my biggest regrets.
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Ahhh the good ole days of wrestling. I almost did the same thing, trying out for wrestling in HS after not being in it for years. But I didnt decide to go into it since I realized a monster of a guy was gonna be in my weight class. I knew it was bad since he certainly fit the stereotype of juicer and talked about going out for the olympics. Even if he didn’t juice, he was massive.
And what does a wrestler do to train as the above poster asked? Hours upon hours of training everyday. I recall my practices in the past being at least 3 hours every day during the week. Running until you puked or if you pist off the coach, up downs. Trust me I dont miss those. I used to have a sweet coach though that would actually run with us since he didnt think it was fair for him to be a blob of fat and ordering us around.
[quote]Tank53 wrote:
Sonny S wrote:
True story: right before my senior year of HS, I had decided to join the wrestling team. I had gotten into great shape over the summer getting ready for football, and was looking forward to wrestling season which began after football. Plus, the new wrestling coach was also my O-line coach.
What happened was the coach recruited the best football athlete, an absolute freak, and the most athletic lineman, to be his heavyweight and light-heavy wrestlers.
For some reason, I missed the first day of tryouts but the next morning I was dying to know what my two teammates thought of wrestling and how it went. I was really looking forward to after-school so I could try out as well.
What happened was…they had both quit. After 1 tryout session, they’d had enough! They said it was like training camp all over again.
For some stupid reason (peer pressure?), I let that influence me and never tried out for the team. I figured since it was too hard for them, both better athletes than I was, it’d be too hard for me. F#ck, its still one of my biggest regrets.
Ahhh the good ole days of wrestling. I almost did the same thing, trying out for wrestling in HS after not being in it for years. But I didnt decide to go into it since I realized a monster of a guy was gonna be in my weight class. I knew it was bad since he certainly fit the stereotype of juicer and talked about going out for the olympics. Even if he didn’t juice, he was massive.
And what does a wrestler do to train as the above poster asked? Hours upon hours of training everyday. I recall my practices in the past being at least 3 hours every day during the week. Running until you puked or if you pist off the coach, up downs. Trust me I dont miss those. I used to have a sweet coach though that would actually run with us since he didnt think it was fair for him to be a blob of fat and ordering us around.[/quote]
What weight class were you?
Wrestlers have great muscular endurance? What do you define that as?
Muscular endurance is the ability to produce considerable sustained power for long periods of time (greater than 20 minutes). An example would be Lance Armstrong.
I agree with your other points about wrestlers though.
[quote]KiloSprinter wrote:
Wrestlers have great muscular endurance? What do you define that as?
Muscular endurance is the ability to produce considerable sustained power for long periods of time (greater than 20 minutes). An example would be Lance Armstrong.
I agree with your other points about wrestlers though.[/quote]
Muscular endurance means different things to different people. To the powerlifter any set over 6 reps might be an endurance set, to the endurance athlete a 20-rep set might barely make the grade. I think wrestling has significant muscular endurance qualities because when you wreslte you go all out but have to maintain that level of power output.
That Michigan reply was retarded. There’s no way that’s what they do. I have friends at a real wrestling school, the University of Minnesota, and they’d laugh if they saw that. I’d probably hear “this is why Michigan sucks.” Real schools train for their sport by doing it.
[quote]Roark wrote:
That Michigan reply was retarded. There’s no way that’s what they do. I have friends at a real wrestling school, the University of Minnesota, and they’d laugh if they saw that. I’d probably hear “this is why Michigan sucks.” Real schools train for their sport by doing it.[/quote]
hmm… your reply is a bit tainted considering Michigan beat Minnesota last time they wrestled.
http://bigelevenwrestling.net/Results/Dual%20Results/Michigan0506/minnymich.htm?ID=420
Of course, MN did win the Nationanl Title this year.
[quote]Roark wrote:
That Michigan reply was retarded. There’s no way that’s what they do. I have friends at a real wrestling school, the University of Minnesota, and they’d laugh if they saw that. I’d probably hear “this is why Michigan sucks.” Real schools train for their sport by doing it.[/quote]
Ummm…i wouldn’t say Michigan sucks as they have been top 10 in the country for the past half-decade
[quote]JokerFMJ wrote:
Of course, MN did win the Nationanl Title this year.[/quote]
Actually, Ok State won the National Title this year by a large margin. However, Minnesota did win the National duals this year and beat Ok State in 2 dual meets.
I’ll say this about wrestlers - Im a BJJ and MMA trained guy, been so for years. There is only one person I don’t wanna run into a street fight with. A big biker guy? Nope. A 250 lb muscle head who benches and squats a ton? LOL…please don’t make me laugh…
Its a wrestler, or ex wrestler. They are the guy I don’t wanna fight. Regardless of weight either…
Wrestling is great for self-defence if you ask me, it’s the most basic elements. When you see little kids fight they are usually grabbing each other and trying to throw each other, take em down, whatever…not throwing fists. Regardless, I’ve seen some of the craziest freaks in the country who wrestle, guys that are 15-18years old and are built like you wouldn’t believe. Phenoms dammit. If anyone is a fan of Canadian wrestling…Evan Macdonald. 5’5 155lbs, looks bigger then most people who are 200. its surreal.
Ex wrestler here, also got into it late starting w/ Junior year in HS…
What did we do for training?
Run stairs for a minumum of half an hour(depended on how good or bad we were meaning if we had lost bad, or were being lazy)
Ran sprints for a half hour in groups of four, the length of the room and back
Wall sits while one of our coaches walked back and forth on us, on our knees like a bench.(he wasnt a dick, he is a great guy, quick tidbit, he broke his neck wrestling in college while pinning a guy, made a full recovery though obviously)
Sets of pushups(25) situps(50) and neck bridges for however long. always in the up position for pushups and you never knew when coach wanted to tell a story or leave the room for a minute while still up
I say however long because the main emphasis always was to be wrestling, so all this pre-wrestling work was really just to warm up and it was always a combination of what I listed above. The two givens every practice though were either the stairs/sprints and the pushups/situps/neck bridges there was also a stretching session mixed in here somewhere but I am too old to remember.
Then
Wrestled till we couldnt stand, either drill or live intervals.
And it’s true, I thought I was in great shape, until my first 6 minute match, never been as tired in my life after that, I could run for hours but after that 6 minutes I knew the difference between being in shape and being in wrestling shape.
Sorry for the tangent, I guess I enjoyed thinking about the glory days. One thing I will never forget my coach said to me.
“You will never be in this kind of shape in your life again.”
He was right
Evan Macdonald is a tad bigger than 155 I think
At OUAs (conf. championships up here in canada) he was cutting to 72 (i dont think he got scored on at OUs or nationals, granted he has been 8th at worlds, olympics 04 etc. wrestling college guys)
but id put him at 5’4 165-170 and actually 5% body fat. that dude is a freak. he could enter a bb show right now and place, although i dont think his legs match his uppers.
still his speed and strength when he cuts to 66 is unreal. although im excited to see who will win the wrestle off for the nat’l team; him or cleo.
Speaking of wrestling, today I had a rude awakening about the unprecidented cardiovascular demands of the sport. I haven’t wrestled since February but I have done sprints, jump-roped, done circuits and anaerobic things like that.
Well, today I went to a wrestling clinic that was 1.5 hours of non-stop action and it was hell. I don’t think I have ever been so humiliated in my life, I gassed after about the first half-hour and felt like I was about to vomit or pass out the rest of the time.
I wrestled a little in high school, definitely THE most physically demanding sport you could play in HS. I really wouldn’t wanna fuck with anybody who wrestles in the NCAA or professionally.
Wrestlers make football players look like pussies.