[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Please try to keep your lies and dissimulations straight. You are giving a bad name to genocidal murderers everywhere.
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^^ That’s good advice orion. And remember what Jo said back in the day: you must confine yourself to a few points and repeat them over and over.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Retard. [/quote]
Ha ha ha.
There it is.
The international sign for “I Surrender!”[/quote]
Not really. He is perfectly justified in that.
Otherwise you’re saying it’s OK for me to reply to the word “the” in you post and nothing else.
Context be damned.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Retard. [/quote]
Ha ha ha.
There it is.
The international sign for “I Surrender!”[/quote]
Not really. He is perfectly justified in that.
Otherwise you’re saying it’s OK for me to reply to the word “the” in you post and nothing else.
Context be damned.[/quote]
Even in the context of this thread, I am not sure of your meaning.
So I will make my meaning clear.
Context is important, but it does not trump facts.
So, in this example, orion forgives Ahmadinajacket’s lie because it serves a rhetorical purpose to orion’s liking.
And I say, a lie is a lie, and it is not washed clean to the truth because it is a popular lie serving a malicious purpose.
Clear now?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
None of you speak Farsi?!
Seems like a bunch of blind people talking about Van Gogh’s use of color in Starry Night.[/quote]
I can say hello, goodbye, yes, no, stop, turn around, tell people to throw out their guns, surrender, hands up, and freeze
All the normal, conversationsal, Western or Eastern Persian I ever really needed.
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
As for the holocaust denial, the Iranian translation is this:
“‘If the Europeans are telling the truth in their claim that they have killed six million Jews in the Holocaust during the World War II - which seems they are right in their claim because they insist on it and arrest and imprison those who oppose it, why the Palestinian nation should pay for the crime. Why have they come to the very heart of the Islamic world and are committing crimes against the dear Palestine using their bombs, rockets, missiles and sanctions.’ […] ‘If you have committed the crimes so give a piece of your land somewhere in Europe or America and Canada or Alaska to them to set up their own state there.’ […] Ahmadinejad said some have created a myth on holocaust and hold it even higher than the very belief in religion and prophets […] The president further said, ‘If your civilization consists of aggression, displacing the oppressed nations, suppressing justice-seeking voices and spreading injustice and poverty for the majority of people on the earth, then we say it out loud that we despise your hollow civilization.’”
That, and other passages from the speech that I cannot find on short notice, but. have actually read a year ago, may express some doubt whether the whole holocaust business went down the way it is usually reported, but that was not his point.
His point was that IF IT DID the way the Europeans report it, why the myth of the holocaust should be used to create a state in the ME even though they had nothing to do with it.
Myth, not as is in “hey, it did not happen”, but in “hey you are building a folklore around it justifying all sorts of things with it”. He is not alone in this, I can point to perfectly respectable Jewish authors who complained about the very same thing, though not in the same context.
So, my stance now is this:
Has he denied the holocaust? Not outright, but he expressed doubts.
However, his main point was that if the Europeans say that this is what happened, why Palestine and not Bavaria?[/quote]
You are again wrong, or purposefully lying to yourself to sell some politicized crap:
August 26, 2011
“The Zionist regime’s establishment was based on numerous deceptions and lies and one of the biggest lies was the Holocaust.”
(Address at Tehran University on Quds Day)
This, by Ahmadinnajacket, is a lie in every regard. Whether he chooses to use it as a political statement, or thesis, or weapon, is irrelevant; using a lie for political purposes does not convert it to a truth, it does not make it acceptable, and it does not make for a legitimate historical and political argument. Not even in Austria.
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Whole speech, text. [/quote]
I provide the citation–you go look it up. Then tell us all about its peaceful intention, how it was misgtranslated (by his own Iranian news organization), how the poor man is misunderstood, repeatedly, over 20 years.
That quote is a lie, it is contextualized as a lie. And you are an apologist for a liar.
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I have posted the whole text of his 2005 speech, which clearly shows that he was taken out of context and deliberately misinterpreted, so the western media at least fucked up once already.
Also, you claim he said something, you prove it.
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But Dear Demi-God Ahmadinapologist, this is precisely the same speech which you yourself , on the previous page, AGREED was an example–FINALLY–of Holocaust Denial.
Is the Demi-God confused by fact? Or is He so entrapped in his own cowardly rhetoric he cna’t remember which lie to follow?
Please try to keep your lies and dissimulations straight. You are giving a bad name to genocidal murderers everywhere.
[/quote]
ROFL
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
As for the holocaust denial, the Iranian translation is this:
“‘If the Europeans are telling the truth in their claim that they have killed six million Jews in the Holocaust during the World War II - which seems they are right in their claim because they insist on it and arrest and imprison those who oppose it, why the Palestinian nation should pay for the crime. Why have they come to the very heart of the Islamic world and are committing crimes against the dear Palestine using their bombs, rockets, missiles and sanctions.’ […] ‘If you have committed the crimes so give a piece of your land somewhere in Europe or America and Canada or Alaska to them to set up their own state there.’ […] Ahmadinejad said some have created a myth on holocaust and hold it even higher than the very belief in religion and prophets […] The president further said, ‘If your civilization consists of aggression, displacing the oppressed nations, suppressing justice-seeking voices and spreading injustice and poverty for the majority of people on the earth, then we say it out loud that we despise your hollow civilization.’”
That, and other passages from the speech that I cannot find on short notice, but. have actually read a year ago, may express some doubt whether the whole holocaust business went down the way it is usually reported, but that was not his point.
His point was that IF IT DID the way the Europeans report it, why the myth of the holocaust should be used to create a state in the ME even though they had nothing to do with it.
Myth, not as is in “hey, it did not happen”, but in “hey you are building a folklore around it justifying all sorts of things with it”. He is not alone in this, I can point to perfectly respectable Jewish authors who complained about the very same thing, though not in the same context.
So, my stance now is this:
Has he denied the holocaust? Not outright, but he expressed doubts.
However, his main point was that if the Europeans say that this is what happened, why Palestine and not Bavaria?[/quote]
You are again wrong, or purposefully lying to yourself to sell some politicized crap:
August 26, 2011
“The Zionist regime’s establishment was based on numerous deceptions and lies and one of the biggest lies was the Holocaust.”
(Address at Tehran University on Quds Day)
This, by Ahmadinnajacket, is a lie in every regard. Whether he chooses to use it as a political statement, or thesis, or weapon, is irrelevant; using a lie for political purposes does not convert it to a truth, it does not make it acceptable, and it does not make for a legitimate historical and political argument. Not even in Austria.
[/quote]
Whole speech, text. [/quote]
I provide the citation–you go look it up. Then tell us all about its peaceful intention, how it was misgtranslated (by his own Iranian news organization), how the poor man is misunderstood, repeatedly, over 20 years.
That quote is a lie, it is contextualized as a lie. And you are an apologist for a liar.
[/quote]
I have posted the whole text of his 2005 speech, which clearly shows that he was taken out of context and deliberately misinterpreted, so the western media at least fucked up once already.
Also, you claim he said something, you prove it.
[/quote]
But Dear Demi-God Ahmadinapologist, this is precisely the same speech which you yourself , on the previous page, AGREED was an example–FINALLY–of Holocaust Denial.
Is the Demi-God confused by fact? Or is He so entrapped in his own cowardly rhetoric he cna’t remember which lie to follow?
Please try to keep your lies and dissimulations straight. You are giving a bad name to genocidal murderers everywhere.
[/quote]
ROFL[/quote]
Do you slap your knees when someone farts?
Dont bother, its a rhetorical question.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Please try to keep your lies and dissimulations straight. You are giving a bad name to genocidal murderers everywhere.
[/quote]
^^ That’s good advice orion. And remember what Jo said back in the day: you must confine yourself to a few points and repeat them over and over.[/quote]
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.
You mean like this?
You know, Adolf Hitler said that you have to tailor your message to the stupidest goat fucking idiot in the audience, and the larger the audience, the less teeth this individual is bound to have.
He might have phrased it a little differently.
And you know what?
He was right.
Alas, someone has to carry the torch of functional literacy, even though it sometimes weighs a bit more than at other times.
What the hell do they teach your journalists, it makes one wonder.
[quote]orion wrote:
What the hell do they teach your journalists. [/quote]
How to report non-news as news and smile while doing it.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
What the hell do they teach your journalists. [/quote]
How to report non-news as news and smile while doing it.[/quote]
Do they get paid well and shtub all the hot bitches?