Also, in regards to if Obama had said this about Christian’s, the left would of loved it. He probably would have gotten an Emmy for courage or something equally as ridiculous.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:
He simply said one more time:
********** "I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that.[/quote]
This is completely out of context and disingenuous at best.
Start at 8 minutes. [/quote]
I took nothing out of context i gave you his exact answer.
No one would be pissed if he said, I don’t support fundamentalists of any faith, he said he would not support a muslim, in general. You know what he said and no amount of him trying to backtrack will stop anyone watching the original video.
If Obama was asked in 2008 if faith should matter to voters and he said:
“I would not advocate that we put a Christian in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that.” what would the reaction be?
Would him then backtracking and saying how wouldn’t support a Muslim theocrat either get you to forget his original statement, which didn’t mention theocracy of any faith but rather simply said he would not support a Christian being president?[/quote]
You very clearly have taken that one sentence out of context. The video of the interview poves this. [/quote]
I think he should have made it clearer that he was referring to Muslims that wished to interject their faith into policy.
More alarming are his comments in the Iraq War section of the interview. They reek of naivety. Those alone should disqualify him from the presidency.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:
He simply said one more time:
********** "I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that.[/quote]
This is completely out of context and disingenuous at best.
Start at 8 minutes. [/quote]
I took nothing out of context i gave you his exact answer.
No one would be pissed if he said, I don’t support fundamentalists of any faith, he said he would not support a muslim, in general. You know what he said and no amount of him trying to backtrack will stop anyone watching the original video.
If Obama was asked in 2008 if faith should matter to voters and he said:
“I would not advocate that we put a Christian in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that.” what would the reaction be?
Would him then backtracking and saying how wouldn’t support a Muslim theocrat either get you to forget his original statement, which didn’t mention theocracy of any faith but rather simply said he would not support a Christian being president?[/quote]
You very clearly have taken that one sentence out of context. The video of the interview poves this. [/quote]
I think he should have made it clearer that he was referring to Muslims that wished to interject their faith into policy.
More alarming are his comments in the Iraq War section of the interview. They reek of naivety. Those alone should disqualify him from the presidency. [/quote]
Sure, he could have been more clear, but he isn’t use to the scrutiny either.
I didn’t see the whole interview. His foreign policy definitely leaves much to be desired.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]FlatsFarmer wrote:
I’d be skeptical of a President who never, never drank. [/quote]
This. Candidates should be asked what their alcoholic drink of choice is. I will not vote for light beer drinkers. [/quote]
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Also, in regards to if Obama had said this about Christian’s, the left would of loved it. He probably would have gotten an Emmy for courage or something equally as ridiculous. [/quote]
And the Right would have gone fucking nuts. Exchange “Christian” for “Muslim” in the original quote and put it in Obama’s mouth…and imagine what the mood hereabouts would be.
Kind of tells you all you need to know about both the Left and Right.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
And the Right would have gone fucking nuts. Exchange “Christian” for “Muslim” in the original quote and put it in Obama’s mouth…and imagine what the mood hereabouts would be.
Kind of tells you all you need to know about both the Left and Right.[/quote]
I guess one has to have a basic assumption that Islam and Christianity are comparable.
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One believes Jesus was the son of god and the Messiah who died on the cross for our sins, who will come back on judgement day with a sword.
The other believes jesus was a prophet and is the Messiah, who was risen to heaven and another in his pace crucified and will return on judgement day and guide the forces of god against the AntiChrist with the Medhi and usher in the apocalypse.
Both believe in Adam and Eve and the creation story, they both believe in Abraham and all the prophets, only differing in their belief on one, Muhammed. Both upheld the Old Testament (most Christians re-interpreted their faith to mean they don’t have to uphold the old testament over 100 years ago, until then Christendom upheld Old Testament law,
many western Muslims have started to abandon old testament law over the last 100 years).
You can easily draw comparisons to them.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
And the Right would have gone fucking nuts. Exchange “Christian” for “Muslim” in the original quote and put it in Obama’s mouth…and imagine what the mood hereabouts would be.
Kind of tells you all you need to know about both the Left and Right.[/quote]
I guess one has to have a basic assumption that Islam and Christianity are comparable.
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Good point. I agree with you (as I said, a Muslim would have a [much, much, much] harder time convincing me than a Christian or Jew), though I still think my point stands vis-a-vis 1) What people will accept as “taken out of context” and 2) Whether people will accept politicians’ walkbacks. Whether the subjects correspond perfectly or not, the “revised” version would be unarguably acceptable and correct, mutatis mutandi, in either case. The difference being that the Left would only accept one of the walkbacks, and the Right would only accept the other.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Also, in regards to if Obama had said this about Christian’s, the left would of loved it. He probably would have gotten an Emmy for courage or something equally as ridiculous. [/quote]
And the Right would have gone fucking nuts. Exchange “Christian” for “Muslim” in the original quote and put it in Obama’s mouth…and imagine what the mood hereabouts would be.
Kind of tells you all you need to know about both the Left and Right.[/quote]
Probably. I think this whole thing is non-sense.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Also, in regards to if Obama had said this about Christian’s, the left would of loved it. He probably would have gotten an Emmy for courage or something equally as ridiculous. [/quote]
And the Right would have gone fucking nuts. Exchange “Christian” for “Muslim” in the original quote and put it in Obama’s mouth…and imagine what the mood hereabouts would be.
Kind of tells you all you need to know about both the Left and Right.[/quote]
Probably. I think this whole thing is non-sense. [/quote]
Yep, that’s my point as well.
The more I look at it, the more I think most of what makes the news is nonsense. And the stuff that isn’t nonsense is too boring for most people to want to talk about.
Oh well, at least football is back and the Jets are not yet the laughingstock of sports fandom.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Also, in regards to if Obama had said this about Christian’s, the left would of loved it. He probably would have gotten an Emmy for courage or something equally as ridiculous. [/quote]
And the Right would have gone fucking nuts. Exchange “Christian” for “Muslim” in the original quote and put it in Obama’s mouth…and imagine what the mood hereabouts would be.
Kind of tells you all you need to know about both the Left and Right.[/quote]
Probably. I think this whole thing is non-sense. [/quote]
Yep, that’s my point as well.
The more I look at it, the more I think most of what makes the news is nonsense. And the stuff that isn’t nonsense is too boring for most people to want to talk about.
Oh well, at least football is back and the Jets are not yet the laughingstock of sports fandom.[/quote]
Very true and the Ravens blow so I don’t even have that…
[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:
Why, he is a bigot. I would be pissed of if a Muslim said we shouldn’t have a Christian in charge of the U.S. The founders of this nation far sightedly and rationally put together the best possible system for society, a secular republic with no official state religion and the separation of church and state.
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Would you be pissed if a Muslim said that they shouldn’t elect a Jew president of Iran?
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:
Why, he is a bigot. I would be pissed of if a Muslim said we shouldn’t have a Christian in charge of the U.S. The founders of this nation far sightedly and rationally put together the best possible system for society, a secular republic with no official state religion and the separation of church and state.
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Would you be pissed if a Muslim said that they shouldn’t elect a Jew president of Iran?
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Of course, however my standards regarding the U.S a secular constitutional republic, with one of the freest societies on earth, are a tad bit higher than an Islamic theocracy I don’t in any way support or expect to do anything good.
For instance just because the Nazi’s were gassing jews in the 1940’s does not mean we also don’t criticise segregation. I can support the U.S and also want to see bigots called out for bigotry.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:
Why, he is a bigot. I would be pissed of if a Muslim said we shouldn’t have a Christian in charge of the U.S. The founders of this nation far sightedly and rationally put together the best possible system for society, a secular republic with no official state religion and the separation of church and state.
[/quote]
Would you be pissed if a Muslim said that they shouldn’t elect a Jew president of Iran?
[/quote]
Of course, however my standards regarding the U.S a secular constitutional republic, with one of the freest societies on earth, are a tad bit higher than an Islamic theocracy I don’t in any way support or expect to do anything good.
For instance just because the Nazi’s were gassing jews in the 1940’s does not mean we also don’t criticise segregation. I can support the U.S and also want to see bigots called out for bigotry.[/quote]
Sure, but when you focus solely on the lessor “bad” the U.S. does while never bringing up the “worse” other countries do, it lays open your bigotry for all to see.
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I don’t bring up how bad Assad is and how bad the Taliban is and how ban the Iranian regime is? Have you seen my posts on this forum? Nice try.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
What about an atheist, for that matter?[/quote]
Same deal, except when an atheist makes an oath… He/She has no one to answer to if they break it. So that sort of rubs me the wrong way. [/quote]
The law?[/quote]
We’re taking about POTUS right?
I think Nixon was the last to at the very least have the integrity to resign when he broke the law…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Bigotry. Bigotry. Bigotry. Everywhere you look you find bigotry:
The humanity! It was obviously a sign of deep hatred for the Chinese! Who would stoop so low?
lol!!!