With modern drugs, Arnold would wipe the Olympia stage with everyone.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
I canāt think of many guys who would beat this. Yeah guys nowadays weigh more, but most of that weight is in their midsection[/quote]
God this pic is so amazing. In fact this is probably the top 3 best bodybuilding pictures.
Arnold always said that if he had Ferignoās body, he would have won the Olympia. Ferigno in interviews seems to think this is a compliment, but if you think about it, it basically means that Arnold would win a race no matter which car he was driving. He would find a way.
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I like the 70ās and 80ās BB look over todays current when it comes to enhanced. Yes they are behemoths and all credit to that but i dont find it truly aesthically pleasing. The 202ās ( now 212) i feel is the better class. The super heavies are mutants( not knocking) anyone below them cant hope to measure up.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Also LOL@ people saying that the proās back in the day werent using steroids as much as the guys now days are. There is no way you could possibly know that, youāre just talking out of youā¦ Well you get the picture.[/quote]
Dude - cāmon man - of course we know they werenāt using the same shit, or as much. Not that they are steroids, but Insulin and GH alone (two HUGE reasons why dudes are so fucking monstrous these days) were never used back then.
Thereās so much more gear available today than there ever was in 1975ā¦So yes, itās very safe to say the guys back then were not on any kind of drug regimen that remotely resembles what guys today are usingā¦
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
I canāt think of many guys who would beat this. Yeah guys nowadays weigh more, but most of that weight is in their midsection[/quote]
Awesome!!
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Peoples Victory wrote:
Does anyone else feel that Arnie was a step down from Sergio Oliva?
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It was all politics and Weider trying to sell more magazines. Also, Oliva was notoriously difficult to deal with. He was the greatest bodybuilder at the time, and he knew it!
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What you mean that āit was notoriously difficult to deal withā ?
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Also LOL@ people saying that the proās back in the day werent using steroids as much as the guys now days are. There is no way you could possibly know that, youāre just talking out of youā¦ Well you get the picture.[/quote]
Dude - cāmon man - of course we know they werenāt using the same shit, or as much. Not that they are steroids, but Insulin and GH alone (two HUGE reasons why dudes are so fucking monstrous these days) were never used back then.
Thereās so much more gear available today than there ever was in 1975ā¦So yes, itās very safe to say the guys back then were not on any kind of drug regimen that remotely resembles what guys today are usingā¦[/quote]
GH has been around since the 50ās and Insulin has been used since the 20āsā¦ I donāt think itās any sort of stretch to think that proās in the 70ās and 80ās were using them.
Again, like I said earlier, there is no way you could possible know that guys back then were taking a lot loss steroids than guys are now.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Also LOL@ people saying that the proās back in the day werent using steroids as much as the guys now days are. There is no way you could possibly know that, youāre just talking out of youā¦ Well you get the picture.[/quote]
Dude - cāmon man - of course we know they werenāt using the same shit, or as much. Not that they are steroids, but Insulin and GH alone (two HUGE reasons why dudes are so fucking monstrous these days) were never used back then.
Thereās so much more gear available today than there ever was in 1975ā¦So yes, itās very safe to say the guys back then were not on any kind of drug regimen that remotely resembles what guys today are usingā¦[/quote]
GH has been around since the 50ās and Insulin has been used since the 20āsā¦ I donāt think itās any sort of stretch to think that proās in the 70ās and 80ās were using them.
Again, like I said earlier, there is no way you could possible know that guys back then were taking a lot loss steroids than guys are now.[/quote]
I know how long theyāve been around. Guys in 1975 were not dosing up insulin and GH.
Tim Belknap, a BB in the 80ās, was using insulin because he was a diabetic. Probably monkeyed with his dose and bingo - insulin starts getting noticed. Also, Dan Duchaine was big on self dosing insulin to test it. John Romano has a great story about getting a phone call to come over before DD fell into a diabetic coma cause he just took however many IUās of insulinā¦lolā¦
I would say with certainty that Arnold, Robbie, Franco and those guys were not dosing with exogenous insulin or growth hormone. Shit, even in the 80ās people couldnāt get synthetic GH and they used the shit pullled directly from a cadaverās pituitary, and then there was Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease from that practiceā¦
Anyway, I donāt agree but obviously weāre both entitled to believe what we want to. Most evidence points to these compounds NOT being used in BB that early.
^^i donāt know what āevidenceā points to those compounds not being used in BB that early but a little logic and deductive reasoning would lead most to believe that they more than likely were not (or at least not dosed as high/often)ā¦ But my original point still stands: āThere is no way that you could know that these guys were taking a lot less steroids than the guys are now days.ā
Speculate all you want but people try to pass it off as fact when it is clearly not.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^i donāt know what āevidenceā points to those compounds not being used in BB that early [/quote]
Dude, all the shit I mentioned in my post is what Iām referring to as evidence. That Belknap thing, DDās experiments with insulin - would strongly suggest that these compounds werenāt used some 10 - 15 years earlier if guys like Duchaine were figuring out how to use the shit for BB purposes without fucking dyingā¦lolā¦in the 90ās.
Anyway it seems youāre agreeing with me anyway, but want to split hairs about it being a āfactā. I think itās clear that the drug use of pros today blows away anything these guys were doing in the 70āsā¦ but believe what you will, as is your right.
the world of bodybuild is a dark dark world, it used to be a diff world once upon a time back in the 60s 70s , it was legal world back then,everywhere and anywhere legalā¦everythnig you wanted pharma grade , every thing you wanted even experiementing with hgh in beggining stages for top bodybuild of the time,
back then you woudnt be a bodybuild if you went over 30-32year old,you were old and retire , gh down the shit and no more grow only bloof balls after this age
fellas like arnold , 230lb 6% ā¦while eating good diet of the time with no preservativeā¦coudnt even get to the condition now day fellas get and hsi food was much better so was the way he trained, 230 lb 5-6%ā¦thats about it 6ā1ā¦thast equivalent to 5ā10 fella who is 210lb 5-6% ā¦and arnold EXPERIEMNETED WITH HGH!, still he relyd mostly on aas and you can see what and where it took him ā¦2 3 0 that ws his zone on stage , like a 5ā10 fella who is 210lb
now day you have fella who stand 210lb 6% 5ā10 on every single gymnaisum in the 10s , everywhere infact with beter condition than arnold and with BALONIE diet, ther is no diet and they dont even do a damn thing beside lifting and calling themselfs bodybuild ,
the diff is?
those fellas injecting everything and anything into blood including hgh and in legit underground level powder forms,
this is how it happened friends, yes human grade is still there but! the usage of both humangrade and underground legit products is in all time high , EVER , used by any wanna be use by anyone who does the typicaL local show and place first place
you still think its about the diet and food? if so how come arnold coudnt get shreded dry to the level we have now day or the 90s,?
how come arnold coudnt get as big?
how come arnold couldnt grow as lean as possible on his solid diet that he did before competitions? and he did solid diets not clean dry and boring but solid clean ,still coudnt get to the level of today or of the 90s or even of the late 80sā¦
the answer is one my friends,
the answer is sitting under every bodybuild concious and this answer is called
H O R M O N E S
more of them , more exotic hormones, more types of hormones, more consistancy of hormones, more purity of hormones, everything to the 10th degreeā¦this is why everything GREW to the 10th degree
hgh and insulina is the name of the game when it come to bodybuild, you just dont grow super heavy with out it , you dotn grow super big with out it , yes you may be 220 lb perfectly chizeled 5ā11 fella with only hghā¦but! this wont be enough now day to work among the top level , only when you add insulina to an already saturated blood of gh ā¦ONLY THEN you wil get to where you need to be when it come to top bodybuild of 2012 SADLY
now,
as i said nutritionā¦really have nothing to do with it , yes you need to eat , but most of you OVER EAT most of you become bloof balls especialy when not on hgh , when on hgh you can eat alot and look great and get high in numbers and lean growth but even then the body like to untilize the nutrition on legit products and that does not mean to over feed the body , IT MEANS to stimulate it to Grow!
many failed bodybuild like arneld mike and others they neve runderstood this concept thus injected testosterona high doses and ate and ate they went into bloof zoen only to never come back from this bloof zoneā¦they never understood that it is a combo of products that need ot be taken in the right timing and the right doses for you to grow lean , the reason they fail can be many but the final result is a constantn bloof look that remained stuck with them til the end when they quit bodybuild, I DO NOT RECOMEND YOU TO END THIS WAY THIS IS WHY I MENTION THIS HERE, you need to avoid this with anyhting you can and in as early age as you can , avoid their advice and avoid their misleadings, they are book worms , a true bodybuild = hands on worm , we always use our bodys as phamacutical experiemtn , ANY BODYBUILD OUT THERE WIL TELL YOU THAT FIRST AND FORMOST HE OR SHE IS A PHARMACUTICAL EXPEROEMENT GONE EITHER RIGHT OR IN PALUMBA CASE WRONGā¦
now,
this lecture of mine can go 50 pages , i need to get to the point ,
the point is that you need to eat enough to stimulate growth , it doesnt mean if you dont eat your 3675 calories a day you wont grow, no! if you take anadrola high doses your body will not be as hungry ā¦yet! you will grow even on lower calories ā¦ for the hgh and anadrola and ressst of anabolic like primobolana will! utilize those 1300 calories the best possible way for you to wake up next day and enter gymnasium and to find to your surprize that YOU GREW! THAT YOU LOOK BETTER , THAT YOUR HORSSE SHOW FINALY SHOW SKIN ATTACH TO THE MUSCLE , you finaly stand in gymasium 3 dimentional and tight and large and in charge with out! eating yourself to death!
and this! is our secret of the sagi kalevs the fintes model or of jimmy fruit the bodybuild THIS IS OUR SECRET , we only overeat when we on mega dose gh and even then we dont! the ones who stuck down the ladder they are the ones who eat the 10 k calories, they are the ones who get enlarge waist from insulina abuse, the ones who go upā¦we eat only what we need, yes we eat like you fun fun diets and we do it right with keeping macros , like i mentioned icecream very good eggwhites very good , sushi very very good, but! we eat to grow nto eat just to push in calories, we eat with sense!
FOR ! it is the job of the anadrola to grow you and keep every lb of muscle on you and then some when your body is closing itself for more calories, it is the job of the hgh, the LEGIT hgh to make sure your body take the last 10 calories and put in into the right use!
THIS IS HOW WE GOT SO RIPPED , THIS IS HOW WE GOT SO LEAN , THIS IS HOW WE GROW MY FRIENDS
so, as i said prior in the beggiignā¦
the bodybuild is a very dark dark worldā¦
that bring me into the following question ā¦
if the food intake is not crazy high 8000 calories a day , and it is not! we eat like you , we eat big but we dont eat crazy no 10 k calories forget about this balonie lies you get feed,
so if its not the food ā¦what is it then?
all togethe rnow pupils!
it is the fucking D R U G S and only the drugs
i have seen infront of my eyes , chiwawas and real ones become pitball , some looked like homo looking pitballs but still pitball never the lessā¦they were pitball ,
this tranformation which i named and called mutatition is part of what is called the HOLDY GRAIL OF BODYBUILD, when you reach this point you truly become a seasonsed bodybuild,
FOR! what they dont want you to know straight out and want you to discover from years of trials and balonie supplemens and disapointmentsā¦i gave you in 5 minutes of reading, this is THE ALLLLL LPROBLEM THE CULT HAS WITH GH15, NOT ALL THE CULT SINCE MOST OF THE CULT ARE VERY VERY HIGH SUPORTERS OF GH15, BUT THE NOISE THE ACTUAL NOISE FROM THE SELETIVE SCAM FROM THE FELLAS WHO ARE PART OF SYSTEM ā¦ THAT NOISE AND THAT FIGHT AGAINST GH15 IS! becuae gh15 revealed this holy grail , basicaly lead the people into promise land straihgt line in the desert insted of getting lost and die in the desert like many of the miguided before you did and they indeed died in the desert
now,
what is this cult all aboutā¦
it is about how to get the right drugs , legit drugs , be able to consistantly be on thsoe drugs, be pacient enough to see the results coming up to the level needed and not stop when you get to first place local level ā¦but be able to go up in the stages of mutaition with out geting depresed, with out getting in trouble with the family , with out getting in trouble with the law in countrys where controled, and! with out getting S I C K , the fellas who get to the top are the ones WHO REMAIN SOMEWHAT HEALTHY AND WITH THE HEALTH INTACT YET USE EVERYTHING IN THE BOOK AND THEN SOME! , they all use it , all including me
how do they get those legit drugs , those right drugs? how , where who ? well this take timeā¦you eithe rget conectsā¦or you know top chefs and then you find out that you been lied to all the years with balonie bunk drugsā¦and it is a never ending story of decving and makign profit even ! in the drug department of the cult
most fellas who you see walk around look like bodybuild, the ones with the cuts with the skin on the muscle tight ,the ones you look at second time and say to them you are huge eventhough they are not even 215ā¦yes those onesā¦and ofcourse heavier fellasā¦all of them are drug addicts, they are , never ever believe any other thing they say to you
they SELL DRUGS IN SOME CASES, they ofcourse buy drugs , they buy hormonesā¦you cant call them drugs since i repetdely say hormones are not drugs, but for the sake of this discussionā¦yes they buy drugsā¦ they make deals behin dclose doors of how to get more hgh , and how to get kits over kits, you do me this you get that, i do you this you get that, and the best conects like widowā¦they dont even go to generic gh they go to pharma gradeā¦ now ofcourse now day as i said if gh is legit it wil be same quality wether generic or pharma but this for another discussion
what i try to tell you here and i dont feel like writing anymore until webpage comeā¦what i try to say is ā¦that this cult is mainly a result of hormone intake and not food, not training , and not sleeping 14 hours a day , it all has to do with what run in your blood, for how long it has been in your blood running and how good you are in knowing your own body and grow it including your respond to hormones which is also a key to sucess,
i will writre much more on webpage , this is just for my pupils and followers around the world ,
DONT EVER LET THE TRUTH BE HIDDEN , NEVER EVER
ON EVERY GREAT FITNESS MODEL SAGIā¦THERE IS ANOTEHR FITNESS MODEL NAME KALEV THAT SIT IN HOSPITAL DUE TO LIVER OR KIDNY PROBLEMS , eventhough only fitnes modelā¦
bodybuild = hormones
this is what it is
90% of it is hormones
the rest all of it put together is 10% and im being truly nice when giving it 10%
ill close by one of my more famous saying
truth shall set you free
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
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never took you for the wall of text type brokini
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
truth shall set you free
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lol - GH15 is a nutjob, but heās right on with at least some of his observations.
And yes - āexperimenting withā is a far cry from ādoing as much shit as the top guys today.ā
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
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never took you for the wall of text type brokini[/quote]
It must be the drugs.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^i donāt know what āevidenceā points to those compounds not being used in BB that early [/quote]
Dude, all the shit I mentioned in my post is what Iām referring to as evidence. That Belknap thing, DDās experiments with insulin - would strongly suggest that these compounds werenāt used some 10 - 15 years earlier if guys like Duchaine were figuring out how to use the shit for BB purposes without fucking dyingā¦lolā¦in the 90ās.
Anyway it seems youāre agreeing with me anyway, but want to split hairs about it being a āfactā. I think itās clear that the drug use of pros today blows away anything these guys were doing in the 70āsā¦ but believe what you will, as is your right. [/quote]
Not only have the drugs āimprovedā, but the understanding and application of exercise science, nutrition (better quality and variety of supps today), training apparatus, and sports medicine.
Skynett, Itās interesting you brought up Tim Belknap, because I remember when Belknap first hit the scene in a big way. He gave me hope because he was the same height as I was, but I felt sorry for him that he was diabetic and a slave to his condition. But upon reading how he actually found ways to use insulin to his advantage, it really got me thinking, as Iām sure it did the bodybuilding community in general. I do believe THATāS where the insulin use and application to BBing began.
I am glad you folks double-quoted it, hopefully more people will read it now.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Skynett, Itās interesting you brought up Tim Belknap, because I remember when Belknap first hit the scene in a big way. He gave me hope because he was the same height as I was, but I felt sorry for him that he was diabetic and a slave to his condition. But upon reading how he actually found ways to use insulin to his advantage, it really got me thinking, as Iām sure it did the bodybuilding community in general. I do believe THATāS where the insulin use and application to BBing began. [/quote]
I think so too. Not that some people might have been experimenting with whatever before that, but the argument was that the 70ās guys were taking the same gear in the same dosagesā¦and thereās no way thatās the case.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Not only have the drugs āimprovedā, but the understanding and application of exercise science, nutrition (better quality and variety of supps today), training apparatus, and sports medicine.
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Do you really believe that the increases in size seen in todays pros are due to improved (legal) supplements & exercise science?
As far as the drugs go, back then they werenāt vilified and seen as cheating like they are today. They were seen as āsuper vitaminsā basically. So I have no doubt that they were using massive amounts of AAS like todays pros. Not to mention they were legal, pharmaceutical grade, & inexpensive.
Itās interesting to note, while the BBers of today are drier & leaner, they do not have anywhere near the seperation of the proās of the 70ās and 80ās. Each muscle group stands out on its own, great lines & definition.