I was put back on sustanon by my doctor. The prescription is 1ml (250mg) E12D which I’ve divided to 0,5ml 125mg E6D.
I’ve been considering dividing it to 3 doses instead of 2 to lessen the highs and lows, but steroidplotter made me iffy about it. I typed in the dosages and according the page there would not even be that big of a difference. Pictures are below:
Is this right? Should I still just make the switch to 3 doses?
For most guys more frequency is better. You have to balance that out with how much you hate pinning. I pin EOD with Test E.
Your graph shows huge fluctuation. A minority of men like that, so it is a bit experimental. Most like stable levels, and your graph is far from stable. With Sust, because of the Test Prop in it, I would pin EOD.
Why do you think you will have highs and lows though?
I’m on the same dose as you only every 14 days.
Day 14 doesn’t feel any different than day 1 to me after 16 weeks on the stuff.
Graphs and lab numbers say one thing but your body often says another.
Give the 12d dosage a chance I say, Sustanon is designed to work over longer periods at the end of the day
Hi, I’ve never understood that, what’s the reasoning behind that buddy?
Personally I don’t feel the effect of the prop ester at all, almost as if it’s not there. The longer ones I do feel though.
Why would you pin sust regularly when the longer esters are doing their thing all the time and for longer?
Cheers
For some men, it creates too big of spikes. Sust has both P and PP esters of test. Both of those are fast, and are 90 mg out of the 250 mg total. The difference between the half lives of the long and short esters is pretty extreme. When you pin very infrequently, those short esters cause quite a spike initially. Sure, you have the long esters in there, and some do just fine with infrequent.
Basically, my argument hinges around stable levels being better for most men. If you aren’t one of those men, then the argument falls apart. It isn’t an argument that is true for all, just true for most.
Why do I think I have highs and lows? Seriously lol?
Just saying graphs aren’t necessarily how you will feel in real life?
Yes they shows ups and downs but can you actually feel that?
Just so we are clear, I do agree that Sust can be used infrequently, and many don’t notice any downsides.
What are your thoughts for men that get too high of estrogen? It seems pinning more frequently can often eliminate the need for an AI. That would be true with any ester or mix of esters. I see that as an advantage to more frequent pinning.
Crumbs, that’s a total black art isn’t it🤔
I’ve no idea honestly, some guys feel great on higher oestrogen and some suffer, it’s very individual all of this stuff isn’t it.
Yeah, I agree. Some do great infrequent, some don’t.
I do well with high E2, at least I think I do lol.
When you say this, you’re still talking about doing 1 shot every 3 days, which I’d say is fine for Sust (or just about any ester, for that matter). If you wanted to really dial it in, EOD like @mnben87 said would be fine
I’m on Sustanon and can tell you from personal experience I find EOD way better than any other frequency with it.
The prop ester drops off so fast that you really need to dose to keep the prop part stable.
Fwiw I’m really happy with my current protocal on Sus- gets a bad rep but I think it comes down to people using it much less frequent dosing and getting big fluctuations.
I’m on 175mg per week and its working great for me. 0.2ml (50mg) eod jabbed in the morning. I split an ampoule into 5 syringes and it lasts me 10 days.
Its probably towards the upper end of what you’d call TRT but at the minute I’m after the sporting gains its giving me.
I will probably drop down to 125mg in the winter when doing less intense riding outdoors with other people.
Definitely go to at least e3d- but to be honest even that fluctuates a lot for me personally.
I’ve seen two different cases where dividing sustanon actually elevated estrogen, so now I’m reconsidering this completely.
Weird that it is the case. Then again I guess it could be because of getting more frequent spikes in testosterone, that would lead to more frequent stimulation of estrogen.
How do you fill 5 syringes out of 1 ampoule? Do you draw up with a large syringe and backload the 5 syringes?
Isn’t it dangerous to store the syringes. I.e. would the rubber in the rubber stopper get affected by the alcohol and the risk of rubber in your Sustanon?
I would just get an empty sterile vial.
They aren’t available for private people over hete
Lots of folk from the same physician as me store in the syringe.
I just draw them all out of the vial with a 23g attached to each syringe then leave that needle on (re-cap). The final one can sometimes be a touch under 0.2ml but pinnijg so frequently its not an issue. Key is to buy “low dead space syringe”, otherwise you could be wasting quite a bit of the sustanon.
I then swap to a smaller guage to pin.
I had similair thoughts about the rubber, but they are left for 8 days for the one thats the longest- I doubt the oil or preservative would break down the rubber stopper in that time frame - hadn’t killed me yet 
Thanx a lot. As regarding to pinning Delts and VG. How will i know if i reach the muscle and what if i inject and it doesn’t reach the muscle?
I do delts and quads. Havent learnt VG yet but i should really.
Use long enough needles- I think i use 30mm for quads 25mm for delts, to be honest ive got so little fat on those areas thats not an issue for me.
Which gauge do you use?
Why not using insuline needles? Quads and delts are bodyparts with less fat so you can get aeay with insulune needles.
