I dont see the problem.
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[quote]worzel wrote:
Someone said that the little fella is adopted…did you hear that bitch say people don’t lie in ‘MY’ house, it should have been ‘OUR’ house. What a way to mess with the little fellas head!
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That got under my skin too, choice of words was horrible, its his house too. And if she does this for everything then yes, excessive punishment is counter productive, but hell, if he screws up and this kind of punishment works…go for it IMO.
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You have kids?[/quote]
When I was growing up I knew the house was my parents house. I didnt pay for it, I didnt pay for the utilities, and I didnt own it…
The child was in trouble for lieing about getting in trouble, getting 3 cards from school (one for fighting) and here we are, mad at the mother for teaching him a leason…
man up… the kid will learn right from wrong and grow up a lot better off then the “ME” generation that gets a trophy for showing up and putting in zero effort…
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I hope that’s not addressed to me.
This is a tough one. I’m all for punishing kids, b/c let’s face it, these days kids don’t respect their parents or other adults. More need to smacked.
I got the belt once as a kid from my Dad, that’s all it took.
How is that any different really than what she did? She used other methods, of course it looks bad on film there. Hell, if you saw a parent taking a belt to a kid on video, it would sure look bad as well.
though she did seem to go on and on about it, to the point of some psychological damage, I dunno.
My gut tells me what she did was disgusting, but thinking about it makes it a tough call
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]Ratchet wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]MeatFreak wrote:
[quote]worzel wrote:
Someone said that the little fella is adopted…did you hear that bitch say people don’t lie in ‘MY’ house, it should have been ‘OUR’ house. What a way to mess with the little fellas head!
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That got under my skin too, choice of words was horrible, its his house too. And if she does this for everything then yes, excessive punishment is counter productive, but hell, if he screws up and this kind of punishment works…go for it IMO.
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You have kids?[/quote]
When I was growing up I knew the house was my parents house. I didnt pay for it, I didnt pay for the utilities, and I didnt own it…
The child was in trouble for lieing about getting in trouble, getting 3 cards from school (one for fighting) and here we are, mad at the mother for teaching him a leason…
man up… the kid will learn right from wrong and grow up a lot better off then the “ME” generation that gets a trophy for showing up and putting in zero effort…
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Agreed. Too many kids grow up without a concept of right/wrong. It’s outside our realm to tell her what she did was wrong.
I used to get the belt. I got soap in my mouth for swearing. Should my parents go to jail?We are such a feminized society today that we feel cold water and hot sauce is evil and bad. I think it’s creative and gets the child to LEARN that certain actions have a consequence.
I bet most comments here are from people without kids. The kids we raise today in a cush society challenge authority (adults, teachers, cops) at every turn. They learn to disrespect others without consequence…etc.
The most hands off parents have the worst kids… BAR NONE!
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Creative? Really?
I’m far, far from a foofy Liberal. I have a stern presence in my house (yes, MY house) without ever having to use hot sauce and cold showers. I wouldn’t treat my dogs like that.
Where’s the line? Cigarette burns on the arm? I mean, that only hurts for a minute amirite? Dipping hand in boiling water? Only burns for a minute amirite? Why not throw the kid in an ice bath-- it’s just like a cold shower amirite? Why not use pepper spray - only a little worse than hot sauce amirite?
All this woman is managing to do is pass her sadism, pathologic problems, and lack of self-worth to her kid.
My 3 year old likes the country music station on when he falls asleep. I’m concerned that over the long term this will almost certainly cause brain damage. Abuse comes in all forms.
You know, maybe the hot sauce/cold shower was a lesser punishment than the one for getting “3 cards pulled” at school. I mean, if you had to choose between getting beat with a belt for what you did at school and getting soap in your mouth for lying, which would you pic? I’d sure as hell pick the soap!!! We don’t know what the other punishments might have been for what he did at school. He’s probably lucky she didn’t combine them.
By no means am I advocating what she did. It was horrendous and she and her husband should be sterilized and any kids in her care should be taken away.
I can handle a lot, but seeing kids mistreated really pisses me off.
That being said, I’ll take the Pepsi challenge on worst parent:
or
I like the way Dexter put it- “I’ve always thought myself an monster, but it amazes me how horrible some people can be.” Something like that.
LOL
Every other week there’s a thread about how society is going to Hell…and seeing all this boohooing over a kid getting disciplined…again, I don’t get it…do you want kids that misbehave and turn into adults that are lawless…or do you want people who know there will be tough consequences for there wrong doing?
WTF DUDES, WTF
I do not see a problem here. When I was younger, my mother and father would use a belt on me if I misbehaved. My mother has poured hot sauce down my throat and nose. I lived with my grandfather from age 8 to 10 and he would hit me with a stick if I did something wrong. I’ve turned out fine. I’d say my behavior got worse once that type of punishment stopped being used on me, but I’m still a successful individual primarily because of the discipline my parents instilled in me. To say that type of behavior will ‘screw a child up in the future’ is ignorant; it depends on the child’s internal makeup. Some people can take that type of punishment, others can’t.
When I have children, I don’t think I’ll discipline them like that. It doesn’t mesh with the way I interact with people. I do see a lot of merit in it though.
This has nothing to do with “discipline” and everything to do with the manner in which her so called discipline was administered. Corporal punishment as some here refer to it has no relation to things like making a child hold hot sauce in his mouth for a prolonged time. Unless your parents were sadists too, they didn’t give you prolonged beatings. I’d trust they were swift and to the point. If they were not, you too were abused and you just don’t know any better. I wouldn’t blink at the sight of a child receiving a couple of swift strikes to his ass, whether by hand or belt, if he deserved it. Emphasis on swift. Making an 8 year old hold hot sauce in his mouth and stand in a cold shower while the cunt bullies him is fucking outrageous. And I’d bet she didn’t get much support from that audience. Only here unfortunately could such obvious poor parenting find the type of false bravado support it does not deserve. Some of the logic here is asinine. You got your ass kicked as a kid and you’re okay - which is fucking debatable I’m sure for more than one of you - so what this kid is suffering is nothing next to the beatings you got. And then there is the hopelessly cliched among you, repeating the same tired pronouncements of every adult generation before you “these kids these days, don’t respect authority or parents”. They’ve been saying that shit since before any of us were born.
Parenting is not easy. I think all parents, myself included, have had days, and moments we’d like to take back to do differently. But the difference with this cunt is that this “parenting” is an established protocol in her household. This is not a moment she’d like to have back. This is a custom in her hell house. And to top it off, she’s entrusted as some foster mom of sorts? I’m really disappointed in some of you for real. The logic employed by the dissent here is just fucked.
This has nothing to do with “discipline” and everything to do with the manner in which her so called discipline was administered. Corporal punishment as some here refer to it has no relation to things like making a child hold hot sauce in his mouth for a prolonged time. Unless your parents were sadists too, they didn’t give you prolonged beatings. I’d trust they were swift and to the point. If they were not, you too were abused and you just don’t know any better. I wouldn’t blink at the sight of a child receiving a couple of swift strikes to his ass, whether by hand or belt, if he deserved it. Emphasis on swift. Making an 8 year old hold hot sauce in his mouth and stand in a cold shower while the cunt bullies him is fucking outrageous. And I’d bet she didn’t get much support from that audience. Only here unfortunately could such obvious poor parenting find the type of false bravado support it does not deserve. Some of the logic here is asinine. You got your ass kicked as a kid and you’re okay - which is fucking debatable I’m sure for more than one of you - so what this kid is suffering is nothing next to the beatings you got. And then there is the hopelessly cliched among you, repeating the same tired pronouncements of every adult generation before you “these kids these days, don’t respect authority or parents”. They’ve been saying that shit since before any of us were born.
Parenting is not easy. I think all parents, myself included, have had days, and moments we’d like to take back to do differently. But the difference with this cunt is that this “parenting” is an established protocol in her household. This is not a moment she’d like to have back. This is a custom in her hell house. And to top it off, she’s entrusted as some foster mom of sorts? I’m really disappointed in some of you for real. The logic employed by the dissent here is just fucked.
I just searched the internet to try to find some more information about this lunatic. Everywhere, there is outrage for this woman. I can find no appreciable “support” for her like there is here. The entire audience was in tears and I’m pretty sure Dr. Phil (I know, who cares about Dr. Phil) and a guest lawyer concluded it was abuse. This is not even a close call. If you can’t see that, too bad for you.
Last thought. Mormons are bat shit crazy. Tell me you guys (mormons) don’t seriously believe that shit. God spoke to Joseph Smith? Magic underwear?
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
This has nothing to do with “discipline” and everything to do with the manner in which her so called discipline was administered. Corporal punishment as some here refer to it has no relation to things like making a child hold hot sauce in his mouth for a prolonged time. Unless your parents were sadists too, they didn’t give you prolonged beatings. I’d trust they were swift and to the point. If they were not, you too were abused and you just don’t know any better. I wouldn’t blink at the sight of a child receiving a couple of swift strikes to his ass, whether by hand or belt, if he deserved it. Emphasis on swift. Making an 8 year old hold hot sauce in his mouth and stand in a cold shower while the cunt bullies him is fucking outrageous. And I’d bet she didn’t get much support from that audience. Only here unfortunately could such obvious poor parenting find the type of false bravado support it does not deserve. Some of the logic here is asinine. You got your ass kicked as a kid and you’re okay - which is fucking debatable I’m sure for more than one of you - so what this kid is suffering is nothing next to the beatings you got. And then there is the hopelessly cliched among you, repeating the same tired pronouncements of every adult generation before you “these kids these days, don’t respect authority or parents”. They’ve been saying that shit since before any of us were born.
Parenting is not easy. I think all parents, myself included, have had days, and moments we’d like to take back to do differently. But the difference with this cunt is that this “parenting” is an established protocol in her household. This is not a moment she’d like to have back. This is a custom in her hell house. And to top it off, she’s entrusted as some foster mom of sorts? I’m really disappointed in some of you for real. The logic employed by the dissent here is just fucked. [/quote]
Y’know, you’re actually pretty well spoken for a guy from New Jersey.
No homo.
And completely agree on the Mormon thing, but who are we to judge?
A little homo that time.
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
I do not see a problem here. When I was younger, my mother and father would use a belt on me if I misbehaved. My mother has poured hot sauce down my throat and nose. I lived with my grandfather from age 8 to 10 and he would hit me with a stick if I did something wrong. I’ve turned out fine. I’d say my behavior got worse once that type of punishment stopped being used on me, but I’m still a successful individual primarily because of the discipline my parents instilled in me. To say that type of behavior will ‘screw a child up in the future’ is ignorant; it depends on the child’s internal makeup. Some people can take that type of punishment, others can’t.
When I have children, I don’t think I’ll discipline them like that. It doesn’t mesh with the way I interact with people. I do see a lot of merit in it though. [/quote]
I agree completely. From many of the responses here, I guess my parents should have put in jail. Instead, they raised the only black doctor from the entire neighborhood I grew up in.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
I do not see a problem here. When I was younger, my mother and father would use a belt on me if I misbehaved. My mother has poured hot sauce down my throat and nose. I lived with my grandfather from age 8 to 10 and he would hit me with a stick if I did something wrong. I’ve turned out fine. I’d say my behavior got worse once that type of punishment stopped being used on me, but I’m still a successful individual primarily because of the discipline my parents instilled in me. To say that type of behavior will ‘screw a child up in the future’ is ignorant; it depends on the child’s internal makeup. Some people can take that type of punishment, others can’t.
When I have children, I don’t think I’ll discipline them like that. It doesn’t mesh with the way I interact with people. I do see a lot of merit in it though. [/quote]
I agree completely. From many of the responses here, I guess my parents should have put in jail. Instead, they raised the only black doctor from the entire neighborhood I grew up in.[/quote]
You mean dentist. 
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
I do not see a problem here. When I was younger, my mother and father would use a belt on me if I misbehaved. My mother has poured hot sauce down my throat and nose. I lived with my grandfather from age 8 to 10 and he would hit me with a stick if I did something wrong. I’ve turned out fine. I’d say my behavior got worse once that type of punishment stopped being used on me, but I’m still a successful individual primarily because of the discipline my parents instilled in me. To say that type of behavior will ‘screw a child up in the future’ is ignorant; it depends on the child’s internal makeup. Some people can take that type of punishment, others can’t.
When I have children, I don’t think I’ll discipline them like that. It doesn’t mesh with the way I interact with people. I do see a lot of merit in it though. [/quote]
I agree completely. From many of the responses here, I guess my parents should have put in jail. Instead, they raised the only black doctor from the entire neighborhood I grew up in.[/quote]
You mean dentist. ;)[/quote]
No, I mean what I wrote.
There is a huge difference between disciplining/punishing your child, and harming your child.
When I as a kid I got my fair share of smacks (all deserved) and feel that it did me no harm and in fact taught me a lesson. Never did my parents cause me any harm by the punishments I received.
When my daughter is naughty she gets a swift smack. She cries, says sorry, and doesn’t do it again. I have never once harmed my daughter when disciplining her.
This is way over the top. She isn’t causing physical harm but listen to the poor kid scream. He was terrified. Any parent who terrifies their kid is no parent at all.
[quote]spiderman739 wrote:
There is a huge difference between disciplining/punishing your child, and harming your child.
When I as a kid I got my fair share of smacks (all deserved) and feel that it did me no harm and in fact taught me a lesson. Never did my parents cause me any harm by the punishments I received.
When my daughter is naughty she gets a swift smack. She cries, says sorry, and doesn’t do it again. I have never once harmed my daughter when disciplining her.
This is way over the top. She isn’t causing physical harm but listen to the poor kid scream. He was terrified. Any parent who terrifies their kid is no parent at all.[/quote]
…and all some of us are saying is that you have a whole generation that was raised on getting beat with a stick from a tree that I am sure, had there been youtube, would have gotten several thousands of parents on national tv.
But alas, there was no youtube and I can’t even count the number of stories I’ve heard in my life time of switches, extension cords, belts and broomsticks being used as discipline.
That doesn’t mean I agree with hotsauce either and if I do have kids, they will probably be bad as hell due to me not wanting to touch them in anger.
To me, poor parenting is NOT telling your kid what they did wrong yet beating them anyway. That is true child abuse.
Leaving lasting wounds on your kid is child abuse.
This is over the top, but if this counts as child abuse, we better go load up a few thousand squad cars with the parents of Generation X.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
This has nothing to do with “discipline” and everything to do with the manner in which her so called discipline was administered. Corporal punishment as some here refer to it has no relation to things like making a child hold hot sauce in his mouth for a prolonged time. Unless your parents were sadists too, they didn’t give you prolonged beatings. I’d trust they were swift and to the point. If they were not, you too were abused and you just don’t know any better. I wouldn’t blink at the sight of a child receiving a couple of swift strikes to his ass, whether by hand or belt, if he deserved it. Emphasis on swift. Making an 8 year old hold hot sauce in his mouth and stand in a cold shower while the cunt bullies him is fucking outrageous. And I’d bet she didn’t get much support from that audience. Only here unfortunately could such obvious poor parenting find the type of false bravado support it does not deserve. Some of the logic here is asinine. You got your ass kicked as a kid and you’re okay - which is fucking debatable I’m sure for more than one of you - so what this kid is suffering is nothing next to the beatings you got. And then there is the hopelessly cliched among you, repeating the same tired pronouncements of every adult generation before you “these kids these days, don’t respect authority or parents”. They’ve been saying that shit since before any of us were born.
Parenting is not easy. I think all parents, myself included, have had days, and moments we’d like to take back to do differently. But the difference with this cunt is that this “parenting” is an established protocol in her household. This is not a moment she’d like to have back. This is a custom in her hell house. And to top it off, she’s entrusted as some foster mom of sorts? I’m really disappointed in some of you for real. The logic employed by the dissent here is just fucked. [/quote]
im not a parent, but i teach ESL to elementary age kids. so i have experience with disciplining kids of that age. i will say that i agree with a lot of what you are saying. i think the manner in which she spoke to the kid while she was doing the punishment was inappropriate and torturous. i do think she was right in the sense that she was making sure every step of the way that he understood what he had done wrong and why he was being punished, but other than that it was pretty disturbing for the kid.
kids that age are pretty fucking vulnerable and impressionable psychologically. he cant have been older than 2nd grade. in my experience, there is no need for that level of distress to be brought upon a kid so young. im not saying we should be soft, but that wasnt what i would call tough love. discipline AND love are what’s needed with kids. i got the impression that there isnt much of the L word in that house. but who knows? it was just one video.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]spiderman739 wrote:
There is a huge difference between disciplining/punishing your child, and harming your child.
When I as a kid I got my fair share of smacks (all deserved) and feel that it did me no harm and in fact taught me a lesson. Never did my parents cause me any harm by the punishments I received.
When my daughter is naughty she gets a swift smack. She cries, says sorry, and doesn’t do it again. I have never once harmed my daughter when disciplining her.
This is way over the top. She isn’t causing physical harm but listen to the poor kid scream. He was terrified. Any parent who terrifies their kid is no parent at all.[/quote]
…and all some of us are saying is that you have a whole generation that was raised on getting beat with a stick from a tree that I am sure, had there been youtube, would have gotten several thousands of parents on national tv.
But alas, there was no youtube and I can’t even count the number of stories I’ve heard in my life time of switches, extension cords, belts and broomsticks being used as discipline.
That doesn’t mean I agree with hotsauce either and if I do have kids, they will probably be bad as hell due to me not wanting to touch them in anger.
To me, poor parenting is NOT telling your kid what they did wrong yet beating them anyway. That is true child abuse.
Leaving lasting wounds on your kid is child abuse.
This is over the top, but if this counts as child abuse, we better go load up a few thousand squad cars with the parents of Generation X.[/quote]
I agree with what you said mostly. My dad was born in a small village in Cyprus in the 50’s and back then he got hit with all manner of things but he was, by his own admission, a little shit and deserved most of it.
I agree with you about the beating your kid and not explaining why, and leaving marks on your kids.
I don’t agree with you about this not being child abuse though. Doing anything to a child to such an extent that he or she cries and screams that much,and it obviously terrified, and doing it on a regular basis is not disciplining. All you are doing is traumatising them.