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[quote]MeatFreak wrote:
I work with kids, don’t worry anybody (I don’t discipline them), and you can see the way the kids don’t care or respect any authority. Then I meet there parents and notice their lack of giving a shit of what their kids do. The kids not caring about authority and the parents not caring about what their kids do, I think, is a direct correlation on the bad behavior. Is this a little over the top, maybe, but at least she’s doing something. Who knows, he could grow up, write a rap song about his abusive home and make a couple million.[/quote]

Well, that about settled it. Cold shower means you care.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]MeatFreak wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
The thing for me is the kid looked severely distressed for a prolonged period - to the point of harm.

I’m not sure how people can equate forcing a 7 year old to take a cold shower and gargle hot sauce to an adult voluntarily taking a cold shower and having hot sauce on the food they eat.

That makes no sense to me.[/quote]

What I’m saying is, a slap in the face or belt to the ass is the same as hot sauce in the mouth. Its pain compliance. That’s it. If it were the norm for people to “wash their mouth out with hot sauce” then we would frown on the first person to make their kid “wash their mouth out with soap”.

Does it suck, I’m sure it does. Does it hurt, I’m sure it does. But pain is pain, it’s not physically scaring or prolonged torture.

Call me a sadistic fcuk if you want, but I think pain compliance is ONE of the best ways to help kids learn right from wrong. Not the only, not the BEST, but one of the best. I’m sure we all know some parents who donÃ?¢??t believe in discipline and their kids are hellions, and I’m sure we all know parents who do discipline and they have somewhat better behaved kids.

But no, you’re right…just take away his Thomas the Train toy and give him only half an ice cream sandwich for desert…That will show him!!![/quote]

Pain compliance eh? Please. Do. Not. Have. Children. The world is fucked up enough as is. “Pain compliance” as a form of parenting. Nice.

THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES.[/quote]

Oh, come on BG. Pain compliance works with violent inmates. If it works for them, then surely it will work with kids. [/sarcasm]

Never mind the fact that they become desensitized to it very quickly, requiring escalation, until eventually they become non responsive to any deterrents.

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First, I’d like to say that hot the taste is an allergy that can cause physical damage. BUTâ?¦

I think it crosses the line more because of the un-usual-ness than the harshness. It’s one of those things where her inventiveness and creativity with the punishment is testament to the woman taking some sort of perverted pleasure in it.

It’s like being the guy that has to put down dogs. Someone has to do it, and a guy that calms the dog and gives it the shot to put it to sleep is just doing his job. If that same guy starts to vary the way he kills and becomes creative and inventive, even if the deaths aren’t more cruel, there is something wrong. Say one day he brings a gun and shoots some. Next day he brings in a doggie electric chair and electrocutes them. Then he suffocates some. Now he isn’t just doing his job. Now what he is doing is wrong and perverse, even if he does it without causing more suffering.

There is something wrong with this woman. What she is doing is perverse. Disciplining a child is part of the role of a parent, but she isn’t just doing her job.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
As far as this video is concerned, this woman has some serious fucking stones to actually be able to do this. I think the fact that the kid is not really her’s makes it easier.

Bottom line is this: the kid knew the punishment, and still crossed the line. He is not hurt in any lasting way. Maybe next time he will think twice. I don’t see how it’s any different than being spanked. Nobody likes watching kids cry, which is why the video was uncomfortable to watch.[/quote]

bullshit. We see kids cry all the fucking time and most of the times I’m thinking I’d wish they’d shut the fuck up. This kid was not just being disciplined in her fucked up way, he was being bullied. I know a bully when I see one. And I know a nagging cunt when I hear one.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
First, I’d like to say that hot the taste is an allergy that can cause physical damage. BUTâ?¦

I think it crosses the line more because of the un-usual-ness than the harshness. It’s one of those things where her inventiveness and creativity with the punishment is testament to the woman taking some sort of perverted pleasure in it.

It’s like being the guy that has to put down dogs. Someone has to do it, and a guy that calms the dog and gives it the shot to put it to sleep is just doing his job. If that same guy starts to vary the way he kills and becomes creative and inventive, even if the deaths aren’t more cruel, there is something wrong. Say one day he brings a gun and shoots some. Next day he brings in a doggie electric chair and electrocutes them. Then he suffocates some. Now he isn’t just doing his job. Now what he is doing is wrong and perverse, even if he does it without causing more suffering.

There is something wrong with this woman. What she is doing is perverse. Disciplining a child is part of the role of a parent, but she isn’t just doing her job.
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Nice job DD but why did you have to bring Michael Vick into this discussion.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
First, I’d like to say that hot the taste is an allergy that can cause physical damage. BUTÃ?¢?Ã?¦

I think it crosses the line more because of the un-usual-ness than the harshness. It’s one of those things where her inventiveness and creativity with the punishment is testament to the woman taking some sort of perverted pleasure in it.

It’s like being the guy that has to put down dogs. Someone has to do it, and a guy that calms the dog and gives it the shot to put it to sleep is just doing his job. If that same guy starts to vary the way he kills and becomes creative and inventive, even if the deaths aren’t more cruel, there is something wrong. Say one day he brings a gun and shoots some. Next day he brings in a doggie electric chair and electrocutes them. Then he suffocates some. Now he isn’t just doing his job. Now what he is doing is wrong and perverse, even if he does it without causing more suffering.

There is something wrong with this woman. What she is doing is perverse. Disciplining a child is part of the role of a parent, but she isn’t just doing her job.
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Nice job DD but why did you have to bring Michael Vick into this discussion. [/quote]

Acutaly, thinking about the Vick thing was what lead me to this realization.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
First, I’d like to say that hot the taste is an allergy that can cause physical damage. BUTÃ??Ã?¢?Ã??Ã?¦

I think it crosses the line more because of the un-usual-ness than the harshness. It’s one of those things where her inventiveness and creativity with the punishment is testament to the woman taking some sort of perverted pleasure in it.

It’s like being the guy that has to put down dogs. Someone has to do it, and a guy that calms the dog and gives it the shot to put it to sleep is just doing his job. If that same guy starts to vary the way he kills and becomes creative and inventive, even if the deaths aren’t more cruel, there is something wrong. Say one day he brings a gun and shoots some. Next day he brings in a doggie electric chair and electrocutes them. Then he suffocates some. Now he isn’t just doing his job. Now what he is doing is wrong and perverse, even if he does it without causing more suffering.

There is something wrong with this woman. What she is doing is perverse. Disciplining a child is part of the role of a parent, but she isn’t just doing her job.
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Nice job DD but why did you have to bring Michael Vick into this discussion. [/quote]

Acutaly, thinking about the Vick thing was what lead me to this realization.[/quote]

I know great minds think alike. :slight_smile:

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
First, I’d like to say that hot the taste is an allergy that can cause physical damage. BUTâ?¦

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what does this mean?

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[quote]XiaoNio wrote:
I thought that was over the line. The physical punishment was a little excessive, but mostly what I found disturbing was her attitude. I think when children are given punishment, you have to separate yourself from the punishment. You can sound disappointed, you can be a bit angry, but I think shouting in the face of a child is counterproductive. Verbal abuse is the most damaging. As was said earlier, there’s a difference between respect and fear. I think punishment and respect should coexist and it’s a matter of attitude.

One of the teachers I work with told me “Too much or too little of anything will spoil a child.” I’ve found that to go both for affection and punishment. As a disclaimer, I don’t have kids, I just work in a program with 100 of them. I’ve definitely seen the products of some bad parenting.

In either case, this is still better than the noschooling parents.

future drains on society. guaranteed.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
First, I’d like to say that hot the taste is an allergy that can cause physical damage. BUTÃ?¢?Ã?¦

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what does this mean?[/quote]

The boy could have responded with a severe allergic reaction other than the mild one that normally happens with ingestion of some thing spicy hot. That is why some people can stand more heat than others with time the body’s reaction gets less and less. However some people can actually have a worse reaction, trouble breathing etc.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
First, I’d like to say that hot the taste is an allergy that can cause physical damage. BUTÃ?¢?Ã?¦

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what does this mean?[/quote]

Spicy foods can cause chemical burns.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]Ratchet wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]MeatFreak wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:
Someone said that the little fella is adopted…did you hear that bitch say people don’t lie in ‘MY’ house, it should have been ‘OUR’ house. What a way to mess with the little fellas head!
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That got under my skin too, choice of words was horrible, its his house too. And if she does this for everything then yes, excessive punishment is counter productive, but hell, if he screws up and this kind of punishment works…go for it IMO.
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You have kids?[/quote]

When I was growing up I knew the house was my parents house. I didnt pay for it, I didnt pay for the utilities, and I didnt own it…

The child was in trouble for lieing about getting in trouble, getting 3 cards from school (one for fighting) and here we are, mad at the mother for teaching him a leason…

man up… the kid will learn right from wrong and grow up a lot better off then the “ME” generation that gets a trophy for showing up and putting in zero effort…
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Agreed. Too many kids grow up without a concept of right/wrong. It’s outside our realm to tell her what she did was wrong.

I used to get the belt. I got soap in my mouth for swearing. Should my parents go to jail?We are such a feminized society today that we feel cold water and hot sauce is evil and bad. I think it’s creative and gets the child to LEARN that certain actions have a consequence.

I bet most comments here are from people without kids. The kids we raise today in a cush society challenge authority (adults, teachers, cops) at every turn. They learn to disrespect others without consequence…etc.

The most hands off parents have the worst kids… BAR NONE!

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Really? Hands off as in not beating your kids? Because I never did and have two in college, doing quite fine, never been in serious trouble. I have a 4 year old that is wonderfully adjusted and the “president” of his class. Maybe, just maybe, if I’d waterboard them and administer a few choice beatings, the two older boys would have graduated earlier and the little guy would be in 2nd grade by now. BAR NONE of course.

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I want to “pain compliance” some people here. That is all.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]MeatFreak wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
The thing for me is the kid looked severely distressed for a prolonged period - to the point of harm.

I’m not sure how people can equate forcing a 7 year old to take a cold shower and gargle hot sauce to an adult voluntarily taking a cold shower and having hot sauce on the food they eat.

That makes no sense to me.[/quote]

What I’m saying is, a slap in the face or belt to the ass is the same as hot sauce in the mouth. Its pain compliance. That’s it. If it were the norm for people to “wash their mouth out with hot sauce” then we would frown on the first person to make their kid “wash their mouth out with soap”.

Does it suck, I’m sure it does. Does it hurt, I’m sure it does. But pain is pain, it’s not physically scaring or prolonged torture.

Call me a sadistic fcuk if you want, but I think pain compliance is ONE of the best ways to help kids learn right from wrong. Not the only, not the BEST, but one of the best. I’m sure we all know some parents who donÃ??Ã?¢??t believe in discipline and their kids are hellions, and I’m sure we all know parents who do discipline and they have somewhat better behaved kids.

But no, you’re right…just take away his Thomas the Train toy and give him only half an ice cream sandwich for desert…That will show him!!![/quote]

Pain compliance eh? Please. Do. Not. Have. Children. The world is fucked up enough as is. “Pain compliance” as a form of parenting. Nice.

THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES.[/quote]

When I say pain compliance I mean bamboo splinters under finger tips and hot clothes hangers to brand them with my own design, just so they dont forget…your in idiot, plain and simple. You make it seem like a slap in the face deserve life in prison. Different kids respond to different things, when something woks, use it.

I agree the lady is a total cunt, bully, and probably doing it more for her enjoyment. But you make it seem like this is how serial killers are made and the lady in the grocery store slapin her kid that is tipping over the display of tampons down is on par with Hitler.

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[quote]MeatFreak wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]MeatFreak wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
The thing for me is the kid looked severely distressed for a prolonged period - to the point of harm.

I’m not sure how people can equate forcing a 7 year old to take a cold shower and gargle hot sauce to an adult voluntarily taking a cold shower and having hot sauce on the food they eat.

That makes no sense to me.[/quote]

What I’m saying is, a slap in the face or belt to the ass is the same as hot sauce in the mouth. Its pain compliance. That’s it. If it were the norm for people to “wash their mouth out with hot sauce” then we would frown on the first person to make their kid “wash their mouth out with soap”.

Does it suck, I’m sure it does. Does it hurt, I’m sure it does. But pain is pain, it’s not physically scaring or prolonged torture.

Call me a sadistic fcuk if you want, but I think pain compliance is ONE of the best ways to help kids learn right from wrong. Not the only, not the BEST, but one of the best. I’m sure we all know some parents who donÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??t believe in discipline and their kids are hellions, and I’m sure we all know parents who do discipline and they have somewhat better behaved kids.

But no, you’re right…just take away his Thomas the Train toy and give him only half an ice cream sandwich for desert…That will show him!!![/quote]

Pain compliance eh? Please. Do. Not. Have. Children. The world is fucked up enough as is. “Pain compliance” as a form of parenting. Nice.

THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES.[/quote]

When I say pain compliance I mean bamboo splinters under finger tips and hot clothes hangers to brand them with my own design, just so they dont forget…your in idiot, plain and simple. You make it seem like a slap in the face deserve life in prison. Different kids respond to different things, when something woks, use it.

I agree the lady is a total cunt, bully, and probably doing it more for her enjoyment. But you make it seem like this is how serial killers are made and the lady in the grocery store slapin her kid that is tipping over the display of tampons down is on par with Hitler.
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The only plain and simple here is your reading comprehension fail. Please quote chapter and verse where I likened this miserable cunt to Hitler or implied the kid would grow up to be a serial killer.

Hmm, let’s see. Was this a “slap in the face”? No. Forgive me, I had to make sure, because you claimed I made it seemed like a slap in the face should get life in prison. Was she doing it for her enjoyment? Debatable but you seem to think so. Was she a “total cunt, bully”? Check.

So, what exactly is your point?

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[quote]MeatFreak wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]MeatFreak wrote:
I work with kids, don’t worry anybody (I don’t discipline them), and you can see the way the kids don’t care or respect any authority. Then I meet there parents and notice their lack of giving a shit of what their kids do. The kids not caring about authority and the parents not caring about what their kids do, I think, is a direct correlation on the bad behavior. Is this a little over the top, maybe, but at least she’s doing something. Who knows, he could grow up, write a rap song about his abusive home and make a couple million.[/quote]

No one cares '09er.[/quote]

haha, '09er…feels like Im some pimply kid in my freshman year. I should be washing your car right '05er? i got under your skin saying you cant read huh? maybe you should read and comprehend before you reply.[/quote]

I have no clue what you’re talking about. I didn’t read your post.

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[quote]worzel wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:
Someone said that the little fella is adopted…did you hear that bitch say people don’t lie in ‘MY’ house, it should have been ‘OUR’ house. What a way to mess with the little fellas head!

It makes you think about what other fucked up shit she might be saying to him to erode his sense of security/family/belonging?

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My over our house is a little nit picking. She also said, people that live in this house don’t lie, do you live in this house?

I’m not too worried, both my father and mother called it “My House”; however, it was still my home.[/quote]

It’s not nit picking mate! The fact that the kid is adopted amplifies that statement above mere ‘nit picking’. If the child doesnt know he is adopted then I retract what I said.

The childs posture and body language were completely submissive. That bitch dominated him, eye balled him and intimidated him and then she administered her well though out punishment. She obviously ‘thinks’ about how to chastise her kids so you would imagine she would come up with more proactive ‘ideas’ to deal with bad behaivour than the retarded, backward ones she came up with there in that clip.[/quote]

She has very unorthodox methods of punishment, I’ll give you that. But corporal punishment can still be used effectively without ruining your relationship with your child. The hot sauce trick wouldn’t have worked on me as a child, neither the cold shower. But I did get a few beatings, but the thing that mattered was that my dad cared about me. If he didn’t care about me it wouldn’t have worked. Talks or whoopin my behind.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ I cant see the video so I will not comment even though I read this thread. But Brother Chris I have to put my foot down on the 09er comment. I thought we all got over that in 10? [/quote]

No, you’re cool.

MeatAss was just smarting off (still not sure what he meant by the reading comment, I tested to have a third grade reading comprehension and my grandma says I’m smart). Except for the occasional '09er (like you), 09er people still have the retarded class, '10ers too.

However, there is a plus. Because of the retarded people that happened to join TN with you, you shine through like a diamond.

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[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
I keep bouncing back and forth on this one. The boy’s reaction during the entire affair was not one of blatant disrespect; he clearly stated he lied because he was afraid to be punished. Knowing what punishment was waiting, I would have probably gambled on lying too.

I also wonder what is required to “get a card pulled” (or whatever it was, I really have no desire to watch that clip again to double check). Does the punishment fit the crime?

There are too many unanswered questions to make any clear assessment, though. We don’t even get a glimpse of how the child behaves normally. Who’s to say that after an hour with this possible little bastard that we wouldn’t be spraying him down with hot sauce just to get a minute’s peace.

I’ve never had the need to spank my child, but I am not necessarily against it. One of the big problems I do have with the mother though, is how long she drags everything out. She asked why he lied, he told her and then she made him sit with hot sauce in his mouth while she screamed at him some more. What was she trying to get out of him…launch codes?

I feel if you are going to dole out a little physical punishment you leave the lecture for later when you are not so mad. The kid gets a slap or what have you and sent to his/her room. You are not going to get anything across to a screaming child; particularly when you are upset as well. [/quote]

They are Mormons, and they don’t have confession. So, I’d be worried about my sons soul, too, if I were them.

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[quote]worzel wrote:

[quote]MeatFreak wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:

[quote]MeatFreak wrote:

Call me a sadistic fcuk if you want but I think pain compliance is ONE of the best ways to help kids learn right from wrong. Not the only, not the BEST, but one of the best.

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So you were beaten by your father, did you fear him? I certainly dont want my kids to fear me!

You’re opinion on pain being the best way for compliance just highlights how superficial your view on disciplining kids is. A kid might not repeat a bad behaviour if they were hammered by daddy but that kid has just learnt to FEAR daddy and that violence is the answer to getting what they want, just like you have learned that violence solves a childs bad behaviour.

[quote]MeatFreak wrote:

I’m sure we all know some parents who dont believe in discipline and their kids are hellions, and I’m sure we all know parents who do discipline and they have somewhat better behaved kids.

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You’re so off the mark here because it works the other way to, which invalidates your point.

As the poster before me said “kids behaviour is a reflection on how the parents behave individually ‘and’ with each other”. I work with families and see this time and time again. It’s the parents who fuck kids up! Their lack of understanding and their sheer laziness to deal with it appropriately perpetuates bad behaviour.

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So now you know my fathers and I relationship? wow, your good, or just plain stupid. My father and I have a great relationship, I didnt fear my father, I feared the consequences of my bad actions. I learned from fuckin up.
And to further my point of your stupidness (sounds good) read what I said before “Not the only, not the BEST, but one of the best”. Did you read it correctly that time?[/quote]

Reading Comprehension FAIL!

I’ll repeat so as not to cause you confusion “So you were beaten by your father, did you fear him?”. This thing here> ‘?’ denotes a question. Did you read that correctly?

“Not the only, not the BEST, but one of the best”. If this is in fact true then explain to me why corporal punishment is no longer practiced in schools, prisons etc. Don’t say because of some left wing softy bullshit, it’s because that shit does not work!

If physical punishment was one of the best ways to teach someone a lesson then why dont we bring back the cane in schools or the lash in prisons?

It is amazing how receptive little minds are to speech, reasoning & consequences…

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'eh, I used to baby sit some rug rats back in the day. One went to Preparatory School since the 1st grade, the other kid went to public. Prep kid got his ass blistered when he messed around (and detention, as well) the other just detention and usually not good detention. Blister ass behaved himself, now he has a job and the other one just got out of jail. Hmmm…