Next step up : make the kid gargle hot sauce while taking a cold shower. Get hot and cold going at the same time. That’ll show’em!
[quote]Ratchet wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]MeatFreak wrote:
[quote]worzel wrote:
Someone said that the little fella is adopted…did you hear that bitch say people don’t lie in ‘MY’ house, it should have been ‘OUR’ house. What a way to mess with the little fellas head!
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That got under my skin too, choice of words was horrible, its his house too. And if she does this for everything then yes, excessive punishment is counter productive, but hell, if he screws up and this kind of punishment works…go for it IMO.
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You have kids?[/quote]
When I was growing up I knew the house was my parents house. I didnt pay for it, I didnt pay for the utilities, and I didnt own it…
The child was in trouble for lieing about getting in trouble, getting 3 cards from school (one for fighting) and here we are, mad at the mother for teaching him a leason…
man up… the kid will learn right from wrong and grow up a lot better off then the “ME” generation that gets a trophy for showing up and putting in zero effort…
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dude, the kid lies, because either way, he’s gonna get fuckin hot sauced. He’s probably angry and fighting at school, because he has no one to trust or turn to at home. I’m all about discipline, but this woman is a selfish sadistic whore. She’s doin it wrong and proving no point whatsoever.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]worzel wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]worzel wrote:
“Not the only, not the BEST, but one of the best”. If this is in fact true then explain to me why corporal punishment is no longer practiced in schools, prisons etc. Don’t say because of some left wing softy bullshit, it’s because that shit does not work!
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It’s a liability issue. Effectiveness has nothing to do with it.[/quote]
Liability sure I get that but is it effective? [/quote]
Dont want to argue Worzel just not in the mood with my 14 year old daughter driving us nuts, but here is a question for you.
Is time out effective? That is what we use as the alternative to corporal punishment, In School Suspension (removing them from there peers) and on the adult level Jail. Kids still get in trouble with no corporal punishment and all the Jails are full. [/quote]
I have only slept 4 hours in the past 34 (new baby) and I am in work at the moment so I am barely running on fumes here.
Is time out effective? I dunno! This depends on so many variables, like the follow through by both parents, are they on the same page? How receptive is the kid to this and what age is the kid? It’s an idividual thing isnt it. From my point of view you need an arsenal of methods to combat bad behaviour, if one fails you try another. People need to use their brains before their brawn, well thats my opinion anyway.
I think the jails were and will always be full.
Many years ago the cops over here would simply hammer the shit of trouble makers but it didnt stop them from doing what they did. Now they send them to jail and they still do the same shit. Educate them, elevate their standards then there is some hope. Then again, one side of me still wants the cops to crack some heads (free thinking adult heads), purely from a punishment perspective and not a rehabilitative one, I think the two are separate.
[quote]BreStruction wrote:
dude, the kid lies, because either way, he’s gonna get fuckin hot sauced. He’s probably angry and fighting at school, because he has no one to trust or turn to at home. I’m all about discipline, but this woman is a selfish sadistic whore. She’s doin it wrong and proving no point whatsoever.[/quote]
Not true, she specifically says, what happens when you lie in this house? He responds… hot sauce and a cold shower…
The fighting had nothing to do with the sauce and shower… this kid lied, and he knew the punishment, but he lied anyways and got caught. as a result she followed through on the punishment…
if I kill someone I go to jail and can face death… if this kid lies he gets hot sauce and a cold shower… we both know what happens when we F up, one of us choose not to F up cause its not with it…
is it really that out of line???
I think consistency and increasing severity is important. It also depends on the kid. My brother never got spanked in his life - he was well behaved (I guess seeing ME get punished was a deterrent). I on the other hand, got spanked, whipped, grounded, punched, slapped and lots of other shit that crossed the line of child abuse by today’s standard by my father. It didn’t work. My dad always used to tell me right before he took the belt off, “boy, if you’re gonna be dumb, you’d better be tough”. He’s whip my ass, back, face, legs, pretty much what ever part was facing up until I was in a fetal position on the ground.
My second stepfather actually put me in the hospital with broken ribs and a punctured lung. I grew up being repeatedly physically abused by him. It didn’t work. It just made me angry. I learned to lie and manipulate my Mother to avoid it. But it usually caught up with me.
Husband #3 was a former Marine with SEVERE PTSD and an alcoholic to boot. That mutherfucker was sadistic. Like he SHOWED me his collection of EARS from the war sadistic. Gave me a KA BAR for my 14th birthday and proceeded to CUT me with it so the “blade could taste blood” sadistic. I ended up leaving home at 16 and wound up in Prison two years later.
Hot sauce and a cold shower would have been nice.
That said, TOO MUCH of anything is bad. In the video, that bitch goes over the top to psychologically dominate the kid and draws that shit out WAY too long. Like someone said up there, she’s trying to get the launch codes! In my case, the punishment was swift and severe, not drawn out and… EMASCULATING like that.
My Mother was never effective at punishing me - she couldn’t hit as hard as a man, so I didn’t fear her as much. The worst thing she ever did was, after she slapped me and I laughed at her, she broke a broomstick over my back. Relatively speaking, that wasn’t as bad as a man whipping you into submission with a belt or getting your ribs broken. So I just defied her authority consistently.
With my kids, I have taken separate approaches. With my eldest, I have only had to spank him three times in his life. The rest of the time I can usually tighten him up from across the room with just a look… With my youngest, that little fucker is a lot like me when I was his age - constantly testing the boundaries. He responds more to a stern finger pointed to his face while saying, “NO!” followed by a time-out, than he does to being spanked. He could care less about being spanked and I’m not going to use a belt on him. But he doesn’t really learn his lesson - he repeats behavior he has been punished for. So I keep the punishment consistent and am hopeful that he’ll get tired of it eventually. I reward his positive behavior. I think that long term, this is a better approach for his well being. I don’t want to “break him”, just modify the behavior.
That bottle looked like tabasco, so I don’t think it should be called hot sauce.
[quote]worzel wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]worzel wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]worzel wrote:
“Not the only, not the BEST, but one of the best”. If this is in fact true then explain to me why corporal punishment is no longer practiced in schools, prisons etc. Don’t say because of some left wing softy bullshit, it’s because that shit does not work!
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It’s a liability issue. Effectiveness has nothing to do with it.[/quote]
Liability sure I get that but is it effective? [/quote]
Dont want to argue Worzel just not in the mood with my 14 year old daughter driving us nuts, but here is a question for you.
Is time out effective? That is what we use as the alternative to corporal punishment, In School Suspension (removing them from there peers) and on the adult level Jail. Kids still get in trouble with no corporal punishment and all the Jails are full. [/quote]
I have only slept 4 hours in the past 34 (new baby) and I am in work at the moment so I am barely running on fumes here.
Is time out effective? I dunno! This depends on so many variables, like the follow through by both parents, are they on the same page? How receptive is the kid to this and what age is the kid? It’s an idividual thing isnt it. From my point of view you need an arsenal of methods to combat bad behaviour, if one fails you try another. People need to use their brains before their brawn, well thats my opinion anyway.
I think the jails were and will always be full.
Many years ago the cops over here would simply hammer the shit of trouble makers but it didnt stop them from doing what they did. Now they send them to jail and they still do the same shit. Educate them, elevate their standards then there is some hope. Then again, one side of me still wants the cops to crack some heads (free thinking adult heads), purely from a punishment perspective and not a rehabilitative one, I think the two are separate. [/quote]
Hey man congrats on the father hood, 1st? I have two boy and girl 19 and 17 and three step kids that I have raised for the last 13 years, 19, 18 and 14. They are all different and I 100% agree that there is no iron clad method that fixes all.
Again I cant see the video so I will not comment, I was just discussing the method of actual punishment for bad behavior.
I love to hear the non-parents say you need to sit them down and talk to them, wait till you try that with a 2-3 year old throwing a fit. 
edit: and AC nice post man, brings back memories from my own childhood. My mom says we get punished for how we acted as children by the children we have. My brother and I have been so fucked by this, I have 5 and he has 8 kids.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
That vid is pretty sick. The woman seems to take her kid acting out as a personal slight, and reacts with a very personalized and sadistic punishment.
Screaming at and smacking the kid as he stands naked in a cold shower After having been worked over with the hot sauce (both reprehensible) is just fucking crazy. What she is doing is so far removed from punishment based discipline that they can not be compared. She is fully engaged in straight up sadism.
First thing I thought of as a product of this type of rearing was this, The subject of a book called “The Shoemaker: Anatomy of a Psychotic”
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I didn’t see her smacking the kid in the shower, and she wasn’t yelling obscenities at the kid. She was just re-enforcing her anger at the situation. Was the punishment kinda weird? Yeah. Did it show her as some child abusing monster? I don’t think so.
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Thats fine. There is a wide berth on what people consider normal and where they draw the line.
We all have our own sense of right and wrong based on what we have experienced. As I’ve stated before, I had been subject to some pretty serious physical and psychologically traumatizing “discipline” and have seen what can come of it.
Barring some sort of intervention, I would hold out very little hope that the kid in the vid will ever have a sense of what most would consider normal.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
That vid is pretty sick. The woman seems to take her kid acting out as a personal slight, and reacts with a very personalized and sadistic punishment.
Screaming at and smacking the kid as he stands naked in a cold shower After having been worked over with the hot sauce (both reprehensible) is just fucking crazy. What she is doing is so far removed from punishment based discipline that they can not be compared. She is fully engaged in straight up sadism.
First thing I thought of as a product of this type of rearing was this, The subject of a book called “The Shoemaker: Anatomy of a Psychotic”
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I didn’t see her smacking the kid in the shower, and she wasn’t yelling obscenities at the kid. She was just re-enforcing her anger at the situation. Was the punishment kinda weird? Yeah. Did it show her as some child abusing monster? I don’t think so.
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Thats fine. There is a wide berth on what people consider normal and where they draw the line.
We all have our own sense of right and wrong based on what we have experienced. As I’ve stated before, I had been subject to some pretty serious physical and psychologically traumatizing “discipline” and have seen what can come of it.
Barring some sort of intervention, I would hold out very little hope that the kid in the vid will ever have a sense of what most would consider normal.
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I agree that it was weird as fuck, but people - especially kids - are strong. I was also subjected to some pretty shitty physical and psychological “discipline”, and sometimes physical and psychological shit for what seemed like shits and gigs, but shit happens. I made it out of being a giant punk ass kid into a semi-reasonable adult. What this kid apparently goes through definitely has the potential to fuck him up, but people have gone through much worse and made it out ok.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
With my kids, I have taken separate approaches. With my eldest, I have only had to spank him three times in his life. The rest of the time I can usually tighten him up from across the room with just a look… With my youngest, that little fucker is a lot like me when I was his age - constantly testing the boundaries. He responds more to a stern finger pointed to his face while saying, “NO!” followed by a time-out, than he does to being spanked. He could care less about being spanked and I’m not going to use a belt on him. But he doesn’t really learn his lesson - he repeats behavior he has been punished for. So I keep the punishment consistent and am hopeful that he’ll get tired of it eventually. I reward his positive behavior. I think that long term, this is a better approach for his well being. I don’t want to “break him”, just modify the behavior.
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Interesting how similar experience yields similar results.
I’ve taken similar approach to discipline with the nieces that I’ve raised. My oldest one is a real problem to her mom, and recently beat her up and put her in the hospital. She has stolen cars and done quite a few other things.
To this day I give her one hard look and she sits down, shuts up, clasps her hands together then listens to and does exactly what I tell her. I’ve never even had to raise a hand to her. My sis on the other hand, had made a lot of the mistakes described in this thread.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Hey man congrats on the father hood, 1st? I have two boy and girl 19 and 17 and three step kids that I have raised for the last 13 years, 19, 18 and 14. They are all different and I 100% agree that there is no iron clad method that fixes all.
Again I cant see the video so I will not comment, I was just discussing the method of actual punishment for bad behavior.
I love to hear the non-parents say you need to sit them down and talk to them, wait till you try that with a 2-3 year old throwing a fit. :)[/quote]
Cheers man’ it’s our second. We have a little fella aged two and now a little girl. It’s all hard work and I totally agree that one size does not fit all. It’s easy to let emtions cloud your judgement in heated situations and that is when bad choices are made. It’s so important to use your noggin before making decisions about disciplining your kids.
My mother said she got the switch when she was younger and as a result was petrified of it but she never laid a hand on us. She used appeal to our better nature and make us ‘think’ about our actions and how they affected us and her. This had a much deeper impact on me than any slap I received from my father.
[quote]Ratchet wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]MeatFreak wrote:
[quote]worzel wrote:
Someone said that the little fella is adopted…did you hear that bitch say people don’t lie in ‘MY’ house, it should have been ‘OUR’ house. What a way to mess with the little fellas head!
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That got under my skin too, choice of words was horrible, its his house too. And if she does this for everything then yes, excessive punishment is counter productive, but hell, if he screws up and this kind of punishment works…go for it IMO.
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You have kids?[/quote]
When I was growing up I knew the house was my parents house. I didnt pay for it, I didnt pay for the utilities, and I didnt own it…
The child was in trouble for lieing about getting in trouble, getting 3 cards from school (one for fighting) and here we are, mad at the mother for teaching him a leason…
man up… the kid will learn right from wrong and grow up a lot better off then the “ME” generation that gets a trophy for showing up and putting in zero effort…
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Agreed. Too many kids grow up without a concept of right/wrong. It’s outside our realm to tell her what she did was wrong.
I used to get the belt. I got soap in my mouth for swearing. Should my parents go to jail?We are such a feminized society today that we feel cold water and hot sauce is evil and bad. I think it’s creative and gets the child to LEARN that certain actions have a consequence.
I bet most comments here are from people without kids. The kids we raise today in a cush society challenge authority (adults, teachers, cops) at every turn. They learn to disrespect others without consequence…etc.
The most hands off parents have the worst kids… BAR NONE!
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
That vid is pretty sick. The woman seems to take her kid acting out as a personal slight, and reacts with a very personalized and sadistic punishment.
Screaming at and smacking the kid as he stands naked in a cold shower After having been worked over with the hot sauce (both reprehensible) is just fucking crazy. What she is doing is so far removed from punishment based discipline that they can not be compared. She is fully engaged in straight up sadism.
First thing I thought of as a product of this type of rearing was this, The subject of a book called “The Shoemaker: Anatomy of a Psychotic”
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I didn’t see her smacking the kid in the shower, and she wasn’t yelling obscenities at the kid. She was just re-enforcing her anger at the situation. Was the punishment kinda weird? Yeah. Did it show her as some child abusing monster? I don’t think so.
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Thats fine. There is a wide berth on what people consider normal and where they draw the line.
We all have our own sense of right and wrong based on what we have experienced. As I’ve stated before, I had been subject to some pretty serious physical and psychologically traumatizing “discipline” and have seen what can come of it.
Barring some sort of intervention, I would hold out very little hope that the kid in the vid will ever have a sense of what most would consider normal.
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I agree that it was weird as fuck, but people - especially kids - are strong. I was also subjected to some pretty shitty physical and psychological “discipline”, and sometimes physical and psychological shit for what seemed like shits and gigs, but shit happens. I made it out of being a giant punk ass kid into a semi-reasonable adult. What this kid apparently goes through definitely has the potential to fuck him up, but people have gone through much worse and made it out ok.[/quote]
Fair enough, but here is something to think about- I don’t know the nature of your history, but you may notice that the three of us who admit to having been subject to some severe discipline (for lack of a better term) have also been locked up for one reason or another. Mine was drugs and violence. AC has stated his.
This is not coincidence, nor is it O.K. People don’t get locked up for being O.K…
man, soap just tastes bad, hot sauce that’s hot enough freaking burns like a mother. Not to mention keeping it in your mouth for a minute and swishing it around as she told him to do.
[quote]SSC wrote:
It’s fucked up, yes, but in the grand scheme of things kid are likely to over-react at any form of punishment.
A cold shower? Uncomfortable!!! (I take one every day.)
Hot sauce is probably not with the kid’s palette, I’m sure, but come on. To be so angry at this is kind of judgemental. She didn’t put a hand on him, she kept her composure, she’s trying to learn a lesson. I did a little research on this and the family has had no other problems with their kids in school. Who knows how often this has happened?
Keep in mind the family also has a few other adopted children and their father is a sheriff.
And I know that people are going to pissed about this post. I’m NOT defending the woman, but this is all blown way out of proportion.[/quote]
You fucking think it’s okay to put a child into a cold shower? Please do not have children. It’s one thing for you to voluntarily take a cold shower and quite another to place a child into one. It’s a low grade form of TORTURE and it’s definitely abusive. You got to be fucking kidding me right?
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
The people feigning outrage over this obviously don’t have kids, or were never disciplined themselves as a kid. Hot sauce and a cold shower are not “torture”, even for a child that young. Give me a break.[/quote]
I have 3 children thank you very fucking much. I can’t imagine subjecting any of my children at that age to a forced cold shower as punishment. And I’m not some fucking parenting liberal either. It’s bullshit. What twisted logic is next to rear its head in this thread? My old man used to beat me with a bat, so a punch here and there is no cause for alarm?
[quote]MeatFreak wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The thing for me is the kid looked severely distressed for a prolonged period - to the point of harm.
I’m not sure how people can equate forcing a 7 year old to take a cold shower and gargle hot sauce to an adult voluntarily taking a cold shower and having hot sauce on the food they eat.
That makes no sense to me.[/quote]
What I’m saying is, a slap in the face or belt to the ass is the same as hot sauce in the mouth. Its pain compliance. That’s it. If it were the norm for people to “wash their mouth out with hot sauce” then we would frown on the first person to make their kid “wash their mouth out with soap”.
Does it suck, I’m sure it does. Does it hurt, I’m sure it does. But pain is pain, it’s not physically scaring or prolonged torture.
Call me a sadistic fcuk if you want, but I think pain compliance is ONE of the best ways to help kids learn right from wrong. Not the only, not the BEST, but one of the best. I’m sure we all know some parents who donâ??t believe in discipline and their kids are hellions, and I’m sure we all know parents who do discipline and they have somewhat better behaved kids.
But no, you’re right…just take away his Thomas the Train toy and give him only half an ice cream sandwich for desert…That will show him!!![/quote]
Pain compliance eh? Please. Do. Not. Have. Children. The world is fucked up enough as is. “Pain compliance” as a form of parenting. Nice.
THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES.
If I was in that audience I would have been seriously tempted to run up and bosh that cunt off her high chair.
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
You know, apparently to most of the phony outrage crowd here, I should be charged with child abuse. I have a 5 year old nephew that I practically raise as my own. I used to give him baths when he was 3. Many times I would accidentally blast him with the shower head while the water was still cold. I guess that makes me a bastard.
When he was 4 I was eating hot wings one evening and he asked me for one, so I gave him one. He ate it, spit it out, threw up and started crying. Someone slap the cuffs on me.
Give me a break people. No one is advocating child abuse, but some of you are blowing this up to something that it isn’t.
Phony outrage for the win![/quote]
Fuck yourself with a broomstick cocksucker. My outrage is not phony. You’re a fucking retard if you think anything you described equals purposefully doing it. Did you hold the little guy in there for a few minutes when you accidentally blasted him with cold water? She did. Did you pour hot sauce in his mouth and make him hold it? You’re a damn idiot if you see any fucking analogy between what you did and what this dumb cunt calls parenting.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The fact that other adults watching that video are literally cringing from what they are seeing is evidence enough that it’s gone waaaay too far. [/quote]
THIS.
There were more than a few tears in that audience.