Worst Parenting... Ever

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[quote]XiaoNio wrote:
I thought that was over the line. The physical punishment was a little excessive, but mostly what I found disturbing was her attitude. I think when children are given punishment, you have to separate yourself from the punishment. You can sound disappointed, you can be a bit angry, but I think shouting in the face of a child is counterproductive. Verbal abuse is the most damaging. As was said earlier, there’s a difference between respect and fear. I think punishment and respect should coexist and it’s a matter of attitude.

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I agree with this. I didn’t like her attitude either. She was showing too much anger and hostility. You should be as emotionally neutral as possible while delivering punishment. That is something my dad was always very good at.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:
Reading Comprehension FAIL!

I’ll repeat so as not to cause you confusion “So you were beaten by your father, did you fear him?”. This thing here> ‘?’ denotes a question. Did you read that correctly?

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i dont really care about this argument but to be fair you did say “so you were beaten by your father” (which is a statement not a question) and then you asked if he feared his father. You then said “I certainly dont want my kids to fear me!” which implies that he feared his father from the beatings.

just sayin[/quote]

Thats what I got from it Greg.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:
“Not the only, not the BEST, but one of the best”. If this is in fact true then explain to me why corporal punishment is no longer practiced in schools, prisons etc. Don’t say because of some left wing softy bullshit, it’s because that shit does not work!

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It’s a liability issue. Effectiveness has nothing to do with it.[/quote]

It is, thats why they have report card, performance trackers, those cards the lady is talking about. They let the parents know, so they can handle it.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:
Reading Comprehension FAIL!

I’ll repeat so as not to cause you confusion “So you were beaten by your father, did you fear him?”. This thing here> ‘?’ denotes a question. Did you read that correctly?

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i dont really care about this argument but to be fair you did say “so you were beaten by your father” (which is a statement not a question) and then you asked if he feared his father. You then said “I certainly dont want my kids to fear me!” which implies that he feared his father from the beatings.

just sayin[/quote]

That statement as you put it was verified by him in his opening post, I was just repeating it. This was then followed by a question, which means I do not know if he feared his father? That bit is pretty clear.

I would imagine that if I were to beat my kids they would fear me, I dd not mean to imply he feared his father because wtf do I know about their relationship! The fear element to my argument was to highlight the difference between fear and respect in respect to the use of violence, which of course is open to many interpretations.

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I think the most important thing in punishment is to be clear. Punishent is a way to condition behavior. You’re conditioning a human being to be sensitized to his or her actions. Healthy conditioning does not have to involve raising your voice or verbal abuse. It’s normal for children to push boundaries, but if they know the limit (which you are responsible for setting using whatever methods you want) then they will respect that if they’ve experienced for example - that one spanking where they crossed the line after they were warned…

there’s many ways to raise a child obviously, because we all made it here. But if I had to do it, I would make the boundaries clear on what’s acceptable and unaccepatable, institute one warning word in a normal or slightly intonated voice, and procede with spanking on the third time the boundary is crossed. But if you get the timing right, you shouldn’t have to ever resort to smacking because the boundaries are clear - if you’re constantly hitting your kid, then it’s not the kid’s fault, it the parent’s fault.

Obviously depending on the age of the child will determine who much self conscious responsibility they have and whether they should be physically reprimanded. You don’t condition a toddler the same way you would a 6 year old. Maybe it’s waaaaaaay more complicated, but I think it’s only as complicated as the parent makes it. I’m not expert in parenting, but I have trained a lot of animals :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

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omg this woman’s a fucking sadistic bitch!!! she must have been tortured herself as a kid. ACK!!!

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OMG I WANNA KILL THIS FUCKING BITCH!!! it’s not the hot sauce or the shower, it’s the total fucking mindfuck she’s giving him. UGH!

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:
“Not the only, not the BEST, but one of the best”. If this is in fact true then explain to me why corporal punishment is no longer practiced in schools, prisons etc. Don’t say because of some left wing softy bullshit, it’s because that shit does not work!

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It’s a liability issue. Effectiveness has nothing to do with it.[/quote]

Liability sure I get that but is it effective?

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[quote]worzel wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:

[quote]MeatFreak wrote:

Call me a sadistic fcuk if you want but I think pain compliance is ONE of the best ways to help kids learn right from wrong. Not the only, not the BEST, but one of the best.

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So you were beaten by your father, did you fear him? I certainly dont want my kids to fear me!

You’re opinion on pain being the best way for compliance just highlights how superficial your view on disciplining kids is. A kid might not repeat a bad behaviour if they were hammered by daddy but that kid has just learnt to FEAR daddy and that violence is the answer to getting what they want, just like you have learned that violence solves a childs bad behaviour.

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I disagree. My dad spanked me like 3 times in my life. Once was when I was 12 and he used a paddle. My mom used to smack me all the fucking time. Guess whose authority I respected more?

I haven’t spanked my son since he was 5 years old (he’s 9 now), and he still has a healthy respect of my authority. It’s not fear, it’s RESPECT. He knows not to fuck with Dad. He knows to listen. I knew the same thing, despite hardly ever getting smacked by him.

As far as the “using violence to solve problems” thing, that’s completely out of line. You’re assuming the kids don’t KNOW that they’ve done something wrong, which is not the case most of the time. There is a huge difference between getting smacked because you did something bad and getting smacked because “Dad’s angry”.

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We have moved onto ‘smacking’, which I think is separate to what I was discussing with MeatFreak. He began his defence of ‘pain management’ by stating that his 320lbs steel working father hit him across his face or used his belt across his ass and that was apparently ok!

This was his backup argument to what was going on in that vid, that is the violence I am commenting on, not smacking, which leads us on to what is a smack? This is where the line get blurred by all people hence the need for a separate discussion[/quote]

Where I was going with the “smack” equals pain. Hot sauce=pain, smack=pain, belt=pain, cold shower=pain (more discomfort). And I threw in his size and occupation, not to say I was beaten as a kid, but to imply that pain compliance worked for me, as it does with other people.
My dad corrected my bad actions with talking, when that didn’t work it was the smack…didn’t need to go any further. My father is one of the gentlest man I know till this day, but he knew what got through to me and what didn’t.

Let me make myself clear…I believe that pain compliance is the last step. Sitting down and talking I think should be the first step, if that doesnt work I think yelling should be the next, and if it keeps going, then I think pain compliance should be next. Nobody likes to live in a relationship with abuse, verbal or physical, in excess, thats a broken home. But I think there is a place for it in correcting kids.

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[quote]worzel wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:
Reading Comprehension FAIL!

I’ll repeat so as not to cause you confusion “So you were beaten by your father, did you fear him?”. This thing here> ‘?’ denotes a question. Did you read that correctly?

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i dont really care about this argument but to be fair you did say “so you were beaten by your father” (which is a statement not a question) and then you asked if he feared his father. You then said “I certainly dont want my kids to fear me!” which implies that he feared his father from the beatings.

just sayin[/quote]

That statement as you put it was verified by him in his opening post, I was just repeating it. This was then followed by a question, which means I do not know if he feared his father? That bit is pretty clear.

I would imagine that if I were to beat my kids they would fear me, I dd not mean to imply he feared his father because wtf do I know about their relationship! The fear element to my argument was to highlight the difference between fear and respect in respect to the use of violence, which of course is open to many interpretations.[/quote]

Where I was going with the “smack” equals pain. Hot sauce=pain, smack=pain, belt=pain, cold shower=pain (more discomfort). And I threw in his size and occupation, not to say I was beaten as a kid, but to imply that pain compliance worked for me, as it does with other people.
My dad corrected my bad actions with talking, when that didn’t work it was the smack…didn’t need to go any further. My father is one of the gentlest man I know till this day, but he knew what got through to me and what didn’t.

Let me make myself clear…I believe that pain compliance is the last step. Sitting down and talking I think should be the first step, if that doesnâ??t work I think yelling should be the next, and if it keeps going, then I think pain compliance should be next. Nobody likes to live in a relationship with abuse, verbal or physical, thatâ??s a broken home, but I think there is a place for it in correcting kids.

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[quote]worzel wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:
“Not the only, not the BEST, but one of the best”. If this is in fact true then explain to me why corporal punishment is no longer practiced in schools, prisons etc. Don’t say because of some left wing softy bullshit, it’s because that shit does not work!

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It’s a liability issue. Effectiveness has nothing to do with it.[/quote]

Liability sure I get that but is it effective? [/quote]

Dont want to argue Worzel just not in the mood with my 14 year old daughter driving us nuts, but here is a question for you.

Is time out effective? That is what we use as the alternative to corporal punishment, In School Suspension (removing them from there peers) and on the adult level Jail. Kids still get in trouble with no corporal punishment and all the Jails are full.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:
“Not the only, not the BEST, but one of the best”. If this is in fact true then explain to me why corporal punishment is no longer practiced in schools, prisons etc. Don’t say because of some left wing softy bullshit, it’s because that shit does not work!

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It’s a liability issue. Effectiveness has nothing to do with it.[/quote]

Liability sure I get that but is it effective? [/quote]

Dont want to argue Worzel just not in the mood with my 14 year old daughter driving us nuts, but here is a question for you.

Is time out effective? That is what we use as the alternative to corporal punishment, In School Suspension (removing them from their peers) and on the adult level Jail. Kids still get in trouble with no corporal punishment and all the Jails are full. [/quote]

i know what we should do… repeat offenders should be shot on site. guarantee people will start acting right after that! :slight_smile:

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:
“Not the only, not the BEST, but one of the best”. If this is in fact true then explain to me why corporal punishment is no longer practiced in schools, prisons etc. Don’t say because of some left wing softy bullshit, it’s because that shit does not work!

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It’s a liability issue. Effectiveness has nothing to do with it.[/quote]

Liability sure I get that but is it effective? [/quote]

Dont want to argue Worzel just not in the mood with my 14 year old daughter driving us nuts, but here is a question for you.

Is time out effective? That is what we use as the alternative to corporal punishment, In School Suspension (removing them from their peers) and on the adult level Jail. Kids still get in trouble with no corporal punishment and all the Jails are full. [/quote]

i know what we should do… repeat offenders should be shot on site. guarantee people will start acting right after that! :)[/quote]

Hahahahahaha, or we send all the kids to “THE ISLAND” to live till they grow up. :slight_smile:

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:
“Not the only, not the BEST, but one of the best”. If this is in fact true then explain to me why corporal punishment is no longer practiced in schools, prisons etc. Don’t say because of some left wing softy bullshit, it’s because that shit does not work!

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It’s a liability issue. Effectiveness has nothing to do with it.[/quote]

Liability sure I get that but is it effective? [/quote]

Dont want to argue Worzel just not in the mood with my 14 year old daughter driving us nuts, but here is a question for you.

Is time out effective? That is what we use as the alternative to corporal punishment, In School Suspension (removing them from their peers) and on the adult level Jail. Kids still get in trouble with no corporal punishment and all the Jails are full. [/quote]

i know what we should do… repeat offenders should be shot on site. guarantee people will start acting right after that! :)[/quote]

Here you go Greg this what you want?

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[quote]worzel wrote:

Liability sure I get that but is it effective? [/quote]

Corporal punishment has worked for me and my parents. I don’t know how well that extrapolates to an entire school system, and obviously it will have less of an effect with older kids.

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That vid is pretty sick. The woman seems to take her kid acting out as a personal slight, and reacts with a very personalized and sadistic punishment.

Screaming at and smacking the kid as he stands naked in a cold shower After having been worked over with the hot sauce (both reprehensible) is just fucking crazy. What she is doing is so far removed from punishment based discipline that they can not be compared. She is fully engaged in straight up sadism.

First thing I thought of as a product of this type of rearing was this, The subject of a book called “The Shoemaker: Anatomy of a Psychotic”

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People that are bugging out over this need to relax. The punishments seem kind of random and weird, but they’re not over the top or severe. The funny thing is that this kid keeps doing whatever it is that’s getting him in trouble and she keeps using these same weirdo punishments, so they’re clearly not working. He’s just a kid. Kids lie. They fight. They get in trouble. It’s what they do. That kid is more worried about being in trouble than getting in trouble. He just needs some discipline and a positive environment, not getting sauced and cold showered.

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Has anyone seen Mission Impossible 3?

THERE’S the future of parenting!

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]MeatFreak wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:
Someone said that the little fella is adopted…did you hear that bitch say people don’t lie in ‘MY’ house, it should have been ‘OUR’ house. What a way to mess with the little fellas head!
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That got under my skin too, choice of words was horrible, its his house too. And if she does this for everything then yes, excessive punishment is counter productive, but hell, if he screws up and this kind of punishment works…go for it IMO.
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You have kids?[/quote]

When I was growing up I knew the house was my parents house. I didnt pay for it, I didnt pay for the utilities, and I didnt own it…

The child was in trouble for lieing about getting in trouble, getting 3 cards from school (one for fighting) and here we are, mad at the mother for teaching him a leason…

man up… the kid will learn right from wrong and grow up a lot better off then the “ME” generation that gets a trophy for showing up and putting in zero effort…

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
That vid is pretty sick. The woman seems to take her kid acting out as a personal slight, and reacts with a very personalized and sadistic punishment.

Screaming at and smacking the kid as he stands naked in a cold shower After having been worked over with the hot sauce (both reprehensible) is just fucking crazy. What she is doing is so far removed from punishment based discipline that they can not be compared. She is fully engaged in straight up sadism.

First thing I thought of as a product of this type of rearing was this, The subject of a book called “The Shoemaker: Anatomy of a Psychotic”

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I didn’t see her smacking the kid in the shower, and she wasn’t yelling obscenities at the kid. She was just re-enforcing her anger at the situation. Was the punishment kinda weird? Yeah. Did it show her as some child abusing monster? I don’t think so.