[quote]biglifter wrote:
I like you better all fired up, BG. Quit being so mellow and introspective[/quote]
I have enough fire in my life to heat Siberia 
I’d burn myself up if it weren’t for some mellow and introspective moments LOL.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]OsakaNate wrote:
Wait.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
This summer I ate the ‘‘Hellburger’’ in Denton, Texas (and won a TShirt).[/quote]
Where did you eat a ‘‘Hellburger’’ in Denton? I don’t remember that from when I lived there. I feel robbed…
/hijack[/quote]
Rooster’s Roadhouse:
http://www.roosters-roadhouse.com/index.html
Check out the menu: ‘‘Hellburger, $3.00 … Add scoop of ice cream, $9.00’’
I’m a big guy who loves and seeks out HOT food, but there’s no doubt, it was tortuously hot.[/quote]
I don’t remember this restaurant at all. Then again, I haven’t lived there for 5-6 years now…
And LOL at the Hellburger being on the appetizer menu.
[quote]biglifter wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’m actually happy X brought up the medication example. Because it’s an example of what many of us have been saying here all along - “abuse” need not cross some magic threshold to be harmful or considered “abusive”. There is no line in the sand for abuse. Abuse can be unintentional, uninformed, even negligent with no intent to abuse per se.
Do I think this nutty broad intentionally adopted a kid from Russia for the purpose of terrifying and abusing him? Of course not. Do I think she is misinformed, misguided and overwhelmed? Absolutely. But the foregoing, as forgivable as they could be, do not render her methods any less troubling. If we will only color abuse on a scale consisting of the terrible and outrageous, we truly lose our perspective.
Perhaps many of us here WERE abused as children - maybe not continually, but perhaps conditionally and situationally. But thankfully, humans, children, we in general are quite durable - some more than others. Just because you were beaten and you’re okay, does not mean it is right and it does not mean that a lesser form of potential abuse is not abuse simply by comparison.
Like I said earlier, it’s like telling a 10 year old sexual abuse victim that she was not abused because her dirty uncle merely finger fucked her, that you had been finger fucked as a child and that you’re okay, and somewhere there is a 10 year old that was gang raped, beaten and left for dead. Now, I’m using exaggeration to make a point about this comparative logic that some have used here to defend this lady’s practices.
I happily admit that my visceral, heat of the moment reaction to this video was to want to gut and beat this woman. Now, that may make me part of the herd, but it also is a strong signal that my humanity is intact, and that I DO CARE about my fellow man and child. Somewhere, my internal compass said this is fucking wrong and I want to defend this child and hurt that parent. Is that rational? Perhaps not.
However, and this is my closing point (I promise); even setting aside all our base emotions, her methods, when judged in their entirety, cannot be defended on their merits. We can wax poetic all day about ignorance, culture, misinformed, misguided, overwhelmed, etc., but we cannot call that which is wrong, “okay”. And we cannot excuse it or defend it simply because we can conjure up worse treatments or punishment or “abuse”.[/quote]
I like you better all fired up, BG. Quit being so mellow and introspective[/quote]
haha! I like him fired up as well. But he’s right the fuck ON with this last post.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I usually get annoyed though when the childless start handing out ‘tidbits of wisdom’ based on nothing they’ve actually had to deal with with children. Yes, we were all children with the experience of being raised by someone and getting punished. However, walking the walk is a different experience and the perception of reality is from a different prism altogether.
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Fucking truth!
End of thread.
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The experience of fatherhood is far removed from the structured life (I say that loosely) I had before my children came along. Now its all about them, every waking minute!
Your whole mindset changes. You wonder what the hell you did before. Things you thought were important are trivial now and advice from non-parents is taken with a pinch of salt and a raised eyebrow!
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]biglifter wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’m actually happy X brought up the medication example. Because it’s an example of what many of us have been saying here all along - “abuse” need not cross some magic threshold to be harmful or considered “abusive”. There is no line in the sand for abuse. Abuse can be unintentional, uninformed, even negligent with no intent to abuse per se.
Do I think this nutty broad intentionally adopted a kid from Russia for the purpose of terrifying and abusing him? Of course not. Do I think she is misinformed, misguided and overwhelmed? Absolutely. But the foregoing, as forgivable as they could be, do not render her methods any less troubling. If we will only color abuse on a scale consisting of the terrible and outrageous, we truly lose our perspective.
Perhaps many of us here WERE abused as children - maybe not continually, but perhaps conditionally and situationally. But thankfully, humans, children, we in general are quite durable - some more than others. Just because you were beaten and you’re okay, does not mean it is right and it does not mean that a lesser form of potential abuse is not abuse simply by comparison.
Like I said earlier, it’s like telling a 10 year old sexual abuse victim that she was not abused because her dirty uncle merely finger fucked her, that you had been finger fucked as a child and that you’re okay, and somewhere there is a 10 year old that was gang raped, beaten and left for dead. Now, I’m using exaggeration to make a point about this comparative logic that some have used here to defend this lady’s practices.
I happily admit that my visceral, heat of the moment reaction to this video was to want to gut and beat this woman. Now, that may make me part of the herd, but it also is a strong signal that my humanity is intact, and that I DO CARE about my fellow man and child. Somewhere, my internal compass said this is fucking wrong and I want to defend this child and hurt that parent. Is that rational? Perhaps not.
However, and this is my closing point (I promise); even setting aside all our base emotions, her methods, when judged in their entirety, cannot be defended on their merits. We can wax poetic all day about ignorance, culture, misinformed, misguided, overwhelmed, etc., but we cannot call that which is wrong, “okay”. And we cannot excuse it or defend it simply because we can conjure up worse treatments or punishment or “abuse”.[/quote]
I like you better all fired up, BG. Quit being so mellow and introspective[/quote]
haha! I like him fired up as well. But he’s right the fuck ON with this last post.
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TBG has posted with intelligence, wisdom and a LOT of common sense
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Serious harm? Where was the “serious harm” here?[/quote]
The serious harm is of emotional nature. You can not see it directly and yet it s there.
If you think that s alright, think about how you were treated. Do you expect her to let the child develop an own personaltiy, complete with hobbies and choosen lifestyles such as maybe strength sports?
[quote]Ken St.Mich wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Serious harm? Where was the “serious harm” here?[/quote]
The serious harm is of emotional nature. You can not see it directly and yet it s there.
If you think that s alright, think about how you were treated. Do you expect her to let the child develop an own personaltiy, complete with hobbies and choosen lifestyles such as maybe strength sports?[/quote]
Perhaps two of the finest athletes I went to school with never played organized sport b/c of that LDS bullshit. Joseph Smith my fucking ass.
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Well…looks like the woman has been charged and this case is going to court. Good grief.
"Municipal law on child abuse lists several factors in determining what is reasonable parental discipline. One example of unreasonable discipline included in the code is the scalding, branding or burning of a child.
Though the code does not mention hot sauce specifically, the section on burning applies to hot sauce, according to the prosecutor’s office."
If I fail to keep SP50 on my kid in the sun, and she’s burned, the above clause should apply as well.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Well…looks like the woman has been charged and this case is going to court. Good grief.
"Municipal law on child abuse lists several factors in determining what is reasonable parental discipline. One example of unreasonable discipline included in the code is the scalding, branding or burning of a child.
Though the code does not mention hot sauce specifically, the section on burning applies to hot sauce, according to the prosecutor’s office."[/quote]
Interesting.
I don’t agree with her methods based on the videos and background clips/stories I’ve seen, and I’ve made that clear.
However, giving her the benefit of the doubt that there is nothing more going on than what’s been made public, I don’t agree at all with prosecuting her. If the prosecution has evidence of things not made public, then that will come out.
As much as I think she handled this badly, the government should not be prosecuting (again, assuming there’s not more to what the public knows).
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
If I fail to keep SP50 on my kid in the sun, and she’s burned, the above clause should apply as well.[/quote]
That’s actually not far fetched as you may seem to think. It wouldn’t be abuse per se, but it could very well be “neglect”. Neglect is serious as well. It IS your job to take reasonable measure to ensure the health of your child - including not letting her get severely sun burned.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
If I fail to keep SP50 on my kid in the sun, and she’s burned, the above clause should apply as well.[/quote]
That’s actually not far fetched as you may seem to think. It wouldn’t be abuse per se, but it could very well be “neglect”. Neglect is serious as well. It IS your job to take reasonable measure to ensure the health of your child - including not letting her get severely sun burned. [/quote]
Truth.
(Off topic: Why is a scoop of ice cream 2x the price of the “hell burger”? That’s fucked up!)
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
…
Though the code does not mention hot sauce specifically, the section on burning applies to hot sauce, according to the prosecutor’s office."[/quote]
And the defense will say since it is not mentioned it is excluded.
Fuck the prosecutor.
[quote]RBlue wrote:
(Off topic: Why is a scoop of ice cream 2x the price of the ‘‘hell burger’’? That’s fucked up!)[/quote]
Because dairy neutralizes spicy foods. Just a way to make a little extra cash after the ‘‘hellburger’’ attempt. 
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
If I fail to keep SP50 on my kid in the sun, and she’s burned, the above clause should apply as well.[/quote]
That’s actually not far fetched as you may seem to think. It wouldn’t be abuse per se, but it could very well be “neglect”. Neglect is serious as well. It IS your job to take reasonable measure to ensure the health of your child - including not letting her get severely sun burned. [/quote]
Agreed, however I would be surprised if anyone’s children did not get sun burned now and then. 1 hour of “Neglect”…sunburn…go to jail? It’s possible in America.
[quote]OsakaNate wrote:
[quote]RBlue wrote:
(Off topic: Why is a scoop of ice cream 2x the price of the ‘‘hell burger’’? That’s fucked up!)[/quote]
Because dairy neutralizes spicy foods. Just a way to make a little extra cash after the ‘‘hellburger’’ attempt. ;)[/quote]
When I did the Hellburger, they didn’t really charge the $9. But, then again, the ice cream did little to soothe…
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
If I fail to keep SP50 on my kid in the sun, and she’s burned, the above clause should apply as well.[/quote]
That’s actually not far fetched as you may seem to think. It wouldn’t be abuse per se, but it could very well be “neglect”. Neglect is serious as well. It IS your job to take reasonable measure to ensure the health of your child - including not letting her get severely sun burned. [/quote]
Agreed, however I would be surprised if anyone’s children did not get sun burned now and then. 1 hour of “Neglect”…sunburn…go to jail? It’s possible in America. [/quote]
Some would argue that continued use of SP50 is worse than using none at all… (But that’s a whole 'nother thread…)
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]OsakaNate wrote:
[quote]RBlue wrote:
(Off topic: Why is a scoop of ice cream 2x the price of the ‘‘hell burger’’? That’s fucked up!)[/quote]
Because dairy neutralizes spicy foods. Just a way to make a little extra cash after the ‘‘hellburger’’ attempt. ;)[/quote]
When I did the Hellburger, they didn’t really charge the $9. But, then again, the ice cream did little to soothe…[/quote]
Well, we do have an odd sense of humor down there in Texas.
And, continuing off topic, you look goddam huge Steely…fuck.