^ nice pun
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
About the hot sauce.
I can’t remember the name, but that is not Tabasco she is using and it is a relatively mild hot sauce. However, there are many sauces that would be torture. I like hot stuff A LOT, like Habanero sauce in my lasagna hot, and I have had some that made me vomit from a teaspoon in a bowel of chili. So it really is a matter of degrees on whether this is abuse or not.[/quote]
Pussy.[/quote]
I know right? Some of these extracts don’t even taste good, they are just beyond hot. Once ate seven whole pickled Habaneros on a dare, and it doesn’t even compare.
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Yeah, someone was talking shit about how I wouldn’t put some hot sauce on my food the other day, and I was like why? They didn’t make the hot sauce to taste good, they made it to be hot. And, that is retarded.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
^ nice pun[/quote]
LOL. Unintended!
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[quote]tom63 wrote:
Doctor is a title used for respect and to aknowledge that someone completed the education necessary to be awarded a doctorate. MD, Dc, DDS, PhDs are all doctors. You can have a PhD in economics and it’s correct to call them doctor.
MDs aren’t the only doctors out there. All medical physicians are doctors, but not all doctors are medical physicians.
You go to school for eight years and complete your education in the same field, you’re probably a doctor of some type.[/quote]
True. However, they seem to attack me whenever I use that title as if doing surgery, prescribing drugs and treating people MEDICALLY somehow means I am not a real doctor and should never claim that I am one…because I am “just a dentist”.
It is a very weak attempt to degrade what I do…which makes little sense considering what that title means in America.
I specialize in the mouth but we have the same gross anatomy training as the med school students.[/quote]
Yes…Dentist…I only kid. I know you are a doctor, just giving you shit because there is some misconstrued idea that Doctors are only medical doctors, I just point out that those doctors weren’t actually the first “doctors” they were usually referred to as barbers.
Sidenote: My aunt is a doctor (I call her a voodoo doctor) and one time she told me to call her Doctor Brother Chris’s Aunt. And, I was like I’ve known you for fifteen years, I’ll stick with aunt.
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[quote]colt44 wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
It seems like you have been raised to think little children should be [part of decision making processes. They shouldn’t in my opinion.
If I tell a little kid don’t eat that cookie and they do, it doesn’t fucking matter WHY they ate. They disobeyed an order and that order was made for a reason that a little child may not be able to understand…which is why they have PARENTS.[/quote]
Bingo. I used to ask my kids if they wanted X, Y or Z for dinner…between the 2 of them, they could not ever agree and one if not both were always upset at the outcome and I could never seem to recover. I’ve made this mistake, but it is a particular style that does not work. Parents feel they are making a more well rounded, decisive child if they are consulted about a lot of decisions…they end up being narcissistic in the end moreso than a regular child.
Now, they get what I give them for lunch or dinner. No arguing, and they better appreciate it…like it or not!
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Can you point me to the peer reviewed studies supporting your learned conclusions above? Or are we talking about a study of one household? [/quote]
Dude, if you want a peer review for my points, then you must bring them as well for yours. This is MY experience with my kids, as well as many others I have witnessed.
There is NO RIGHT and NO WRONG way to parent proven by science. This is my experience as a father.
What is your hard on about with regard to what I said above?
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You made conclusions. I have done no such thing. I have given my opinion.
“I’ve made this mistake, but it is a particular style that does not work. Parents feel they are making a more well rounded, decisive child if they are consulted about a lot of decisions…they end up being narcissistic in the end moreso than a regular child.” [/quote]
Right…I guess my conclusion is a hypothesis to you, but in my house, the more rope you give, the more a kid will hang themselves by making bad choices. If you are not an authority figure (Hands off) then the kids will run rampant. It’s a parents job to make sure they guided, and not left to their own devices.
What’s the problem in that?
[/quote]
Can you please explain to me the connection between “authority figure” as you put it and the video we witnessed? Can you please refer me to the post where someone said they shouldn’t be the “authority figure”. And finally, can you please explain to me where someone advocated a “hands off” approach to parenting?[/quote]
I said it earlier
“hands Off” and you replied that I meant people need to hit their children.
Anyway, I’m done with you, you just want to argue no matter what.
You have no right to judge another method as shown in the video. You don’t know the full story, you don’t know any of the childs past etc. There are more effective ways, yes, but in this case you KNOW NOTHING about the household situation and the kids behavior pattern. Tobasco and a shower…For fucking lying straight up AFTER you get in trouble at school 3 times. She took action.
I have an 8 year old that would lie ALL THE TIME when she was 5-7. Sitting down and explaining it to her does not work, she still lied. I took action, not in the form of the video or violence in any way, but I took shit away and she screamed bloody murder worse than the kid in the vid.
My point is you cannot be holier than thou, which you seem to be projecting here.
As you said kids don’t come with a manual, and each kid is different…but you seem to know what’s in the fictitious document as well as what the child responds to best.
[/quote]
you need to work on your parenting skills…i feel sorry for your children[/quote]
You feel sorry for his children? Why?
In fact, tell us about yourself. How did your parents raise an outstanding son? What wonderful things have you accomplished that most kids don’t? Any cures for cancer coming from your direction?[/quote]
Colt this is what I will say about this, in real life you would not dare say this to a grown man. Being a father myself if I heard a young person say this to another man I would be inclined to kick that young persons ass myself. You may have had a fucked up childhood and so you see everything from that viewpoint. So are you a father? NO I can answer that because a father would not have said that to another man. [/quote]
If i saw a father not being a good father I would feel absolutely obligated to say something for his child’s sake[/quote]
So you are now the ultimate judge of what constitutes good parenting? Are you a cop? Again if you came into a situation only knowing a part of the information and you tried to mouth off to a grown man about his parenting ability. Well the outcome would not be good for anybody. I am not debating about this mothers actions, that is a judgement call, however you want to call out a guy on the internet who has stated that he has never done this to his own kids.
Your opinion is shit and pointless unless you are a parent, sorry dont care how educated you are or whatever view point you think you can stand on. I am not going to give my opinion on being an inner city black man because no matter what I read I will never have experienced that in my life and could never relate. My .02.[/quote]
Of course I dont think I am the ultimate judge but If i see child abuse I am not going to sit around watch it. I am not talking about getty angry at your child, but legitamte child abuse as seen in the video.
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[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]colt44 wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]colt44 wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It seems like you have been raised to think little children should be [part of decision making processes. They shouldn’t in my opinion.
If I tell a little kid don’t eat that cookie and they do, it doesn’t fucking matter WHY they ate. They disobeyed an order and that order was made for a reason that a little child may not be able to understand…which is why they have PARENTS.[/quote]
Bingo. I used to ask my kids if they wanted X, Y or Z for dinner…between the 2 of them, they could not ever agree and one if not both were always upset at the outcome and I could never seem to recover. I’ve made this mistake, but it is a particular style that does not work. Parents feel they are making a more well rounded, decisive child if they are consulted about a lot of decisions…they end up being narcissistic in the end moreso than a regular child.
Now, they get what I give them for lunch or dinner. No arguing, and they better appreciate it…like it or not!
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Can you point me to the peer reviewed studies supporting your learned conclusions above? Or are we talking about a study of one household? [/quote]
Dude, if you want a peer review for my points, then you must bring them as well for yours. This is MY experience with my kids, as well as many others I have witnessed.
There is NO RIGHT and NO WRONG way to parent proven by science. This is my experience as a father.
What is your hard on about with regard to what I said above?
[/quote]
You made conclusions. I have done no such thing. I have given my opinion.
“I’ve made this mistake, but it is a particular style that does not work. Parents feel they are making a more well rounded, decisive child if they are consulted about a lot of decisions…they end up being narcissistic in the end moreso than a regular child.” [/quote]
Right…I guess my conclusion is a hypothesis to you, but in my house, the more rope you give, the more a kid will hang themselves by making bad choices. If you are not an authority figure (Hands off) then the kids will run rampant. It’s a parents job to make sure they guided, and not left to their own devices.
What’s the problem in that?
[/quote]
Can you please explain to me the connection between “authority figure” as you put it and the video we witnessed? Can you please refer me to the post where someone said they shouldn’t be the “authority figure”. And finally, can you please explain to me where someone advocated a “hands off” approach to parenting?[/quote]
I said it earlier
“hands Off” and you replied that I meant people need to hit their children.
Anyway, I’m done with you, you just want to argue no matter what.
You have no right to judge another method as shown in the video. You don’t know the full story, you don’t know any of the childs past etc. There are more effective ways, yes, but in this case you KNOW NOTHING about the household situation and the kids behavior pattern. Tobasco and a shower…For fucking lying straight up AFTER you get in trouble at school 3 times. She took action.
I have an 8 year old that would lie ALL THE TIME when she was 5-7. Sitting down and explaining it to her does not work, she still lied. I took action, not in the form of the video or violence in any way, but I took shit away and she screamed bloody murder worse than the kid in the vid.
My point is you cannot be holier than thou, which you seem to be projecting here.
As you said kids don’t come with a manual, and each kid is different…but you seem to know what’s in the fictitious document as well as what the child responds to best.
[/quote]
you need to work on your parenting skills…i feel sorry for your children[/quote]
You feel sorry for his children? Why?
In fact, tell us about yourself. How did your parents raise an outstanding son? What wonderful things have you accomplished that most kids don’t? Any cures for cancer coming from your direction?[/quote]
Colt this is what I will say about this, in real life you would not dare say this to a grown man. Being a father myself if I heard a young person say this to another man I would be inclined to kick that young persons ass myself. You may have had a fucked up childhood and so you see everything from that viewpoint. So are you a father? NO I can answer that because a father would not have said that to another man. [/quote]
If i saw a father not being a good father I would feel absolutely obligated to say something for his child’s sake[/quote]
So you are now the ultimate judge of what constitutes good parenting? Are you a cop? Again if you came into a situation only knowing a part of the information and you tried to mouth off to a grown man about his parenting ability. Well the outcome would not be good for anybody. I am not debating about this mothers actions, that is a judgement call, however you want to call out a guy on the internet who has stated that he has never done this to his own kids.
Your opinion is shit and pointless unless you are a parent, sorry dont care how educated you are or whatever view point you think you can stand on. I am not going to give my opinion on being an inner city black man because no matter what I read I will never have experienced that in my life and could never relate. My .02.[/quote]
Of course I dont think I am the ultimate judge but If i see child abuse I am not going to sit around watch it. I am not talking about getty angry at your child, but legitamte child abuse as seen in the video.[/quote]
Well sorry but this whole thread has been arguing the fact that it is not child abuse vs it is. So that is my point, what makes you the ulitimate authority? Do you work for CPS? Do you know the laws of your state in regard to what constitutes child abuse? If you ever saw a parent spank a child would you say child abuse, since the kid would be screaming?
Wow, 17 pages. No way I’m going to read and catch up in this one.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
About the hot sauce.
I can’t remember the name, but that is not Tabasco she is using and it is a relatively mild hot sauce. However, there are many sauces that would be torture. I like hot stuff A LOT, like Habanero sauce in my lasagna hot, and I have had some that made me vomit from a teaspoon in a bowel of chili. So it really is a matter of degrees on whether this is abuse or not.[/quote]
Pussy.[/quote]
I know right? Some of these extracts don’t even taste good, they are just beyond hot. Once ate seven whole pickled Habaneros on a dare, and it doesn’t even compare.
[/quote]
Yeah, someone was talking shit about how I wouldn’t put some hot sauce on my food the other day, and I was like why? They didn’t make the hot sauce to taste good, they made it to be hot. And, that is retarded.[/quote]
LOL. It’s not retarded (although it seems to be)…I spent nine months building up a resistance to hot food. By the end I managed to devour the second hottest curry in the world (Phal, never tried a Naga) though even the weaker curries resulted in blistering of the tongue and mouth, but no other “after effects”.
The taste was debatable(it didn’t really factor in) but the curries remained enjoyable in the sense that super spicy food releases endorphins. I could eat it, but there’s no way I could have eaten it off the bat nine months before and I wouldn’t expect a greenhorn to, either.
I agree with Testy1 that “Jessica” should at least experience how the hot sauce feels in her own mouth before giving it to the kid for a seemingly loose amount of punishment time, especially when a friend of the family recommended the hot sauce punishment (see below).
I know people with zero tolerance for the weakest spicy food, so to give a hot sauce to a kid without knowing the effects is irresponsible.
There’s a partial transcript of the interview on Dr. Phil’s website:
"In an interview, Jessicaâ??s husband, Gary, explains how he feels about his wifeâ??s methods for disciplining Kristoff. â??Jessica is more frustrated than angry, because weâ??ve added more kids to the house. When Jessica gets frustrated, I see her having a shorter temper. Kristoff has not reacted to much of our discipline,â?? he says. â??The idea for hot sauce came up from my wife talking to a friend of hers. In the military, we use cold showers for discipline, basically to get peopleâ??s attention. When Kristoff gets a cold shower, he pays attention at the moment. I feel like Iâ??m strict with my kids.â??
http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/6062/?id=6062&slide=0&showID=1545&preview=&versionID=
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[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]colt44 wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]colt44 wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It seems like you have been raised to think little children should be [part of decision making processes. They shouldn’t in my opinion.
If I tell a little kid don’t eat that cookie and they do, it doesn’t fucking matter WHY they ate. They disobeyed an order and that order was made for a reason that a little child may not be able to understand…which is why they have PARENTS.[/quote]
Bingo. I used to ask my kids if they wanted X, Y or Z for dinner…between the 2 of them, they could not ever agree and one if not both were always upset at the outcome and I could never seem to recover. I’ve made this mistake, but it is a particular style that does not work. Parents feel they are making a more well rounded, decisive child if they are consulted about a lot of decisions…they end up being narcissistic in the end moreso than a regular child.
Now, they get what I give them for lunch or dinner. No arguing, and they better appreciate it…like it or not!
[/quote]
Can you point me to the peer reviewed studies supporting your learned conclusions above? Or are we talking about a study of one household? [/quote]
Dude, if you want a peer review for my points, then you must bring them as well for yours. This is MY experience with my kids, as well as many others I have witnessed.
There is NO RIGHT and NO WRONG way to parent proven by science. This is my experience as a father.
What is your hard on about with regard to what I said above?
[/quote]
You made conclusions. I have done no such thing. I have given my opinion.
“I’ve made this mistake, but it is a particular style that does not work. Parents feel they are making a more well rounded, decisive child if they are consulted about a lot of decisions…they end up being narcissistic in the end moreso than a regular child.” [/quote]
Right…I guess my conclusion is a hypothesis to you, but in my house, the more rope you give, the more a kid will hang themselves by making bad choices. If you are not an authority figure (Hands off) then the kids will run rampant. It’s a parents job to make sure they guided, and not left to their own devices.
What’s the problem in that?
[/quote]
Can you please explain to me the connection between “authority figure” as you put it and the video we witnessed? Can you please refer me to the post where someone said they shouldn’t be the “authority figure”. And finally, can you please explain to me where someone advocated a “hands off” approach to parenting?[/quote]
I said it earlier
“hands Off” and you replied that I meant people need to hit their children.
Anyway, I’m done with you, you just want to argue no matter what.
You have no right to judge another method as shown in the video. You don’t know the full story, you don’t know any of the childs past etc. There are more effective ways, yes, but in this case you KNOW NOTHING about the household situation and the kids behavior pattern. Tobasco and a shower…For fucking lying straight up AFTER you get in trouble at school 3 times. She took action.
I have an 8 year old that would lie ALL THE TIME when she was 5-7. Sitting down and explaining it to her does not work, she still lied. I took action, not in the form of the video or violence in any way, but I took shit away and she screamed bloody murder worse than the kid in the vid.
My point is you cannot be holier than thou, which you seem to be projecting here.
As you said kids don’t come with a manual, and each kid is different…but you seem to know what’s in the fictitious document as well as what the child responds to best.
[/quote]
you need to work on your parenting skills…i feel sorry for your children[/quote]
You feel sorry for his children? Why?
In fact, tell us about yourself. How did your parents raise an outstanding son? What wonderful things have you accomplished that most kids don’t? Any cures for cancer coming from your direction?[/quote]
Colt this is what I will say about this, in real life you would not dare say this to a grown man. Being a father myself if I heard a young person say this to another man I would be inclined to kick that young persons ass myself. You may have had a fucked up childhood and so you see everything from that viewpoint. So are you a father? NO I can answer that because a father would not have said that to another man. [/quote]
If i saw a father not being a good father I would feel absolutely obligated to say something for his child’s sake[/quote]
So you are now the ultimate judge of what constitutes good parenting? Are you a cop? Again if you came into a situation only knowing a part of the information and you tried to mouth off to a grown man about his parenting ability. Well the outcome would not be good for anybody. I am not debating about this mothers actions, that is a judgement call, however you want to call out a guy on the internet who has stated that he has never done this to his own kids.
Your opinion is shit and pointless unless you are a parent, sorry dont care how educated you are or whatever view point you think you can stand on. I am not going to give my opinion on being an inner city black man because no matter what I read I will never have experienced that in my life and could never relate. My .02.[/quote]
Of course I dont think I am the ultimate judge but If i see child abuse I am not going to sit around watch it. I am not talking about getty angry at your child, but legitamte child abuse as seen in the video.[/quote]
If you think what is in that video is child abuse, then you literally have no understanding of kids, parenting, abuse, or your own dick.
Holding hot sauce or chilis in your mouth for lying or swearing is an old Mexican punishment that has been around for years. It’s not unique, rare, or harsh. Soap in the mouth is much worse.
How spoiled have you been to think a cold shower is abusive? We took cold showers growing up because we had no hot water. Apparently most kids who grew up with more than one sibling and only one shower are now victims of abuse.
When you call stuff like this abuse you do a disservice to actual victims of abuse. Now everyone is paying attention to this “monster” who yells at her kid and makes him take a cold shower, yet you forget about kids who are actually getting the shit kicked out of them.
My mom raised my adoptive brother who had a serious lying problem and was all around one of the most difficult cases my state has seen (they told us this). When my mom saw the Dr. Phil segment her response to all the hate was “Clearly these people have never raised kids. The only problem with it is it isn’t working.”
You guys should meet my 5 year old nephew. Then talk your parenting “game.”
Your Granny shook you as a baby, so it must be OK.
Look, Ma, no marks!
[quote]Guilty77 wrote:
[quote]colt44 wrote:
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[quote]colt44 wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]colt44 wrote:
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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It seems like you have been raised to think little children should be [part of decision making processes. They shouldn’t in my opinion.
If I tell a little kid don’t eat that cookie and they do, it doesn’t fucking matter WHY they ate. They disobeyed an order and that order was made for a reason that a little child may not be able to understand…which is why they have PARENTS.[/quote]
Bingo. I used to ask my kids if they wanted X, Y or Z for dinner…between the 2 of them, they could not ever agree and one if not both were always upset at the outcome and I could never seem to recover. I’ve made this mistake, but it is a particular style that does not work. Parents feel they are making a more well rounded, decisive child if they are consulted about a lot of decisions…they end up being narcissistic in the end moreso than a regular child.
Now, they get what I give them for lunch or dinner. No arguing, and they better appreciate it…like it or not!
[/quote]
Can you point me to the peer reviewed studies supporting your learned conclusions above? Or are we talking about a study of one household? [/quote]
Dude, if you want a peer review for my points, then you must bring them as well for yours. This is MY experience with my kids, as well as many others I have witnessed.
There is NO RIGHT and NO WRONG way to parent proven by science. This is my experience as a father.
What is your hard on about with regard to what I said above?
[/quote]
You made conclusions. I have done no such thing. I have given my opinion.
“I’ve made this mistake, but it is a particular style that does not work. Parents feel they are making a more well rounded, decisive child if they are consulted about a lot of decisions…they end up being narcissistic in the end moreso than a regular child.” [/quote]
Right…I guess my conclusion is a hypothesis to you, but in my house, the more rope you give, the more a kid will hang themselves by making bad choices. If you are not an authority figure (Hands off) then the kids will run rampant. It’s a parents job to make sure they guided, and not left to their own devices.
What’s the problem in that?
[/quote]
Can you please explain to me the connection between “authority figure” as you put it and the video we witnessed? Can you please refer me to the post where someone said they shouldn’t be the “authority figure”. And finally, can you please explain to me where someone advocated a “hands off” approach to parenting?[/quote]
I said it earlier
“hands Off” and you replied that I meant people need to hit their children.
Anyway, I’m done with you, you just want to argue no matter what.
You have no right to judge another method as shown in the video. You don’t know the full story, you don’t know any of the childs past etc. There are more effective ways, yes, but in this case you KNOW NOTHING about the household situation and the kids behavior pattern. Tobasco and a shower…For fucking lying straight up AFTER you get in trouble at school 3 times. She took action.
I have an 8 year old that would lie ALL THE TIME when she was 5-7. Sitting down and explaining it to her does not work, she still lied. I took action, not in the form of the video or violence in any way, but I took shit away and she screamed bloody murder worse than the kid in the vid.
My point is you cannot be holier than thou, which you seem to be projecting here.
As you said kids don’t come with a manual, and each kid is different…but you seem to know what’s in the fictitious document as well as what the child responds to best.
[/quote]
you need to work on your parenting skills…i feel sorry for your children[/quote]
You feel sorry for his children? Why?
In fact, tell us about yourself. How did your parents raise an outstanding son? What wonderful things have you accomplished that most kids don’t? Any cures for cancer coming from your direction?[/quote]
Colt this is what I will say about this, in real life you would not dare say this to a grown man. Being a father myself if I heard a young person say this to another man I would be inclined to kick that young persons ass myself. You may have had a fucked up childhood and so you see everything from that viewpoint. So are you a father? NO I can answer that because a father would not have said that to another man. [/quote]
If i saw a father not being a good father I would feel absolutely obligated to say something for his child’s sake[/quote]
So you are now the ultimate judge of what constitutes good parenting? Are you a cop? Again if you came into a situation only knowing a part of the information and you tried to mouth off to a grown man about his parenting ability. Well the outcome would not be good for anybody. I am not debating about this mothers actions, that is a judgement call, however you want to call out a guy on the internet who has stated that he has never done this to his own kids.
Your opinion is shit and pointless unless you are a parent, sorry dont care how educated you are or whatever view point you think you can stand on. I am not going to give my opinion on being an inner city black man because no matter what I read I will never have experienced that in my life and could never relate. My .02.[/quote]
Of course I dont think I am the ultimate judge but If i see child abuse I am not going to sit around watch it. I am not talking about getty angry at your child, but legitamte child abuse as seen in the video.[/quote]
If you think what is in that video is child abuse, then you literally have no understanding of kids, parenting, abuse, or your own dick.
Holding hot sauce or chilis in your mouth for lying or swearing is an old Mexican punishment that has been around for years. It’s not unique, rare, or harsh. Soap in the mouth is much worse.
How spoiled have you been to think a cold shower is abusive? We took cold showers growing up because we had no hot water. Apparently most kids who grew up with more than one sibling and only one shower are now victims of abuse.
When you call stuff like this abuse you do a disservice to actual victims of abuse. Now everyone is paying attention to this “monster” who yells at her kid and makes him take a cold shower, yet you forget about kids who are actually getting the shit kicked out of them.
My mom raised my adoptive brother who had a serious lying problem and was all around one of the most difficult cases my state has seen (they told us this). When my mom saw the Dr. Phil segment her response to all the hate was “Clearly these people have never raised kids. The only problem with it is it isn’t working.”[/quote]
You raise no arguement i should not even be commenting on this
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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It seems like you have been raised to think little children should be [part of decision making processes. They shouldn’t in my opinion.
If I tell a little kid don’t eat that cookie and they do, it doesn’t fucking matter WHY they ate. They disobeyed an order and that order was made for a reason that a little child may not be able to understand…which is why they have PARENTS.[/quote]
Bingo. I used to ask my kids if they wanted X, Y or Z for dinner…between the 2 of them, they could not ever agree and one if not both were always upset at the outcome and I could never seem to recover. I’ve made this mistake, but it is a particular style that does not work. Parents feel they are making a more well rounded, decisive child if they are consulted about a lot of decisions…they end up being narcissistic in the end moreso than a regular child.
Now, they get what I give them for lunch or dinner. No arguing, and they better appreciate it…like it or not!
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Can you point me to the peer reviewed studies supporting your learned conclusions above? Or are we talking about a study of one household? [/quote]
Dude, if you want a peer review for my points, then you must bring them as well for yours. This is MY experience with my kids, as well as many others I have witnessed.
There is NO RIGHT and NO WRONG way to parent proven by science. This is my experience as a father.
What is your hard on about with regard to what I said above?
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You made conclusions. I have done no such thing. I have given my opinion.
“I’ve made this mistake, but it is a particular style that does not work. Parents feel they are making a more well rounded, decisive child if they are consulted about a lot of decisions…they end up being narcissistic in the end moreso than a regular child.” [/quote]
Right…I guess my conclusion is a hypothesis to you, but in my house, the more rope you give, the more a kid will hang themselves by making bad choices. If you are not an authority figure (Hands off) then the kids will run rampant. It’s a parents job to make sure they guided, and not left to their own devices.
What’s the problem in that?
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Can you please explain to me the connection between “authority figure” as you put it and the video we witnessed? Can you please refer me to the post where someone said they shouldn’t be the “authority figure”. And finally, can you please explain to me where someone advocated a “hands off” approach to parenting?[/quote]
I said it earlier
“hands Off” and you replied that I meant people need to hit their children.
Anyway, I’m done with you, you just want to argue no matter what.
You have no right to judge another method as shown in the video. You don’t know the full story, you don’t know any of the childs past etc. There are more effective ways, yes, but in this case you KNOW NOTHING about the household situation and the kids behavior pattern. Tobasco and a shower…For fucking lying straight up AFTER you get in trouble at school 3 times. She took action.
I have an 8 year old that would lie ALL THE TIME when she was 5-7. Sitting down and explaining it to her does not work, she still lied. I took action, not in the form of the video or violence in any way, but I took shit away and she screamed bloody murder worse than the kid in the vid.
My point is you cannot be holier than thou, which you seem to be projecting here.
As you said kids don’t come with a manual, and each kid is different…but you seem to know what’s in the fictitious document as well as what the child responds to best.
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you need to work on your parenting skills…i feel sorry for your children[/quote]
You feel sorry for his children? Why?
In fact, tell us about yourself. How did your parents raise an outstanding son? What wonderful things have you accomplished that most kids don’t? Any cures for cancer coming from your direction?[/quote]
Colt this is what I will say about this, in real life you would not dare say this to a grown man. Being a father myself if I heard a young person say this to another man I would be inclined to kick that young persons ass myself. You may have had a fucked up childhood and so you see everything from that viewpoint. So are you a father? NO I can answer that because a father would not have said that to another man. [/quote]
If i saw a father not being a good father I would feel absolutely obligated to say something for his child’s sake[/quote]
So you are now the ultimate judge of what constitutes good parenting? Are you a cop? Again if you came into a situation only knowing a part of the information and you tried to mouth off to a grown man about his parenting ability. Well the outcome would not be good for anybody. I am not debating about this mothers actions, that is a judgement call, however you want to call out a guy on the internet who has stated that he has never done this to his own kids.
Your opinion is shit and pointless unless you are a parent, sorry dont care how educated you are or whatever view point you think you can stand on. I am not going to give my opinion on being an inner city black man because no matter what I read I will never have experienced that in my life and could never relate. My .02.[/quote]
Of course I dont think I am the ultimate judge but If i see child abuse I am not going to sit around watch it. I am not talking about getty angry at your child, but legitamte child abuse as seen in the video.[/quote]
Well sorry but this whole thread has been arguing the fact that it is not child abuse vs it is. So that is my point, what makes you the ulitimate authority? Do you work for CPS? Do you know the laws of your state in regard to what constitutes child abuse? If you ever saw a parent spank a child would you say child abuse, since the kid would be screaming? [/quote]
Certainly what took place in that video is not the worst thing someone could do to their child. However, it is child abuse. Clearly he has had that punishment before and clearly it did not solve any problems. Treating a child like that can cause serious emotional, physical, psychological issues. I have no problems with punishment of children, so long as its done in a decent manner. I think most logical people can realize that this women did not act in a decent manner.
At the gym today I overhear a women talking to another about their kids and the first mentioned that she is about to give up trying to make her daughter right-handed since the kids(around 3 or 4) keeps doing everything with her left hand. The second women said that their is nothing wrong with being left handed. The first women kinds shrugged and said that no one else in the family was left-handed and that she had fixed her son for the most part.
It had been proven that forcing kids to switch their handedness leads to developmental and other mental health problems. I have seen her daughter and she seems to have some issues. I think this women might have trumped the Tabasco lady.
http://www.kristv.com/news/jury-watches-police-interview-in-burned-girl-trial/
There are even people here in town defending these piece of shit parents.
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It seems like you have been raised to think little children should be [part of decision making processes. They shouldn’t in my opinion.
If I tell a little kid don’t eat that cookie and they do, it doesn’t fucking matter WHY they ate. They disobeyed an order and that order was made for a reason that a little child may not be able to understand…which is why they have PARENTS.[/quote]
Bingo. I used to ask my kids if they wanted X, Y or Z for dinner…between the 2 of them, they could not ever agree and one if not both were always upset at the outcome and I could never seem to recover. I’ve made this mistake, but it is a particular style that does not work. Parents feel they are making a more well rounded, decisive child if they are consulted about a lot of decisions…they end up being narcissistic in the end moreso than a regular child.
Now, they get what I give them for lunch or dinner. No arguing, and they better appreciate it…like it or not!
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Can you point me to the peer reviewed studies supporting your learned conclusions above? Or are we talking about a study of one household? [/quote]
Dude, if you want a peer review for my points, then you must bring them as well for yours. This is MY experience with my kids, as well as many others I have witnessed.
There is NO RIGHT and NO WRONG way to parent proven by science. This is my experience as a father.
What is your hard on about with regard to what I said above?
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You made conclusions. I have done no such thing. I have given my opinion.
“I’ve made this mistake, but it is a particular style that does not work. Parents feel they are making a more well rounded, decisive child if they are consulted about a lot of decisions…they end up being narcissistic in the end moreso than a regular child.” [/quote]
Right…I guess my conclusion is a hypothesis to you, but in my house, the more rope you give, the more a kid will hang themselves by making bad choices. If you are not an authority figure (Hands off) then the kids will run rampant. It’s a parents job to make sure they guided, and not left to their own devices.
What’s the problem in that?
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Can you please explain to me the connection between “authority figure” as you put it and the video we witnessed? Can you please refer me to the post where someone said they shouldn’t be the “authority figure”. And finally, can you please explain to me where someone advocated a “hands off” approach to parenting?[/quote]
I said it earlier
“hands Off” and you replied that I meant people need to hit their children.
Anyway, I’m done with you, you just want to argue no matter what.
You have no right to judge another method as shown in the video. You don’t know the full story, you don’t know any of the childs past etc. There are more effective ways, yes, but in this case you KNOW NOTHING about the household situation and the kids behavior pattern. Tobasco and a shower…For fucking lying straight up AFTER you get in trouble at school 3 times. She took action.
I have an 8 year old that would lie ALL THE TIME when she was 5-7. Sitting down and explaining it to her does not work, she still lied. I took action, not in the form of the video or violence in any way, but I took shit away and she screamed bloody murder worse than the kid in the vid.
My point is you cannot be holier than thou, which you seem to be projecting here.
As you said kids don’t come with a manual, and each kid is different…but you seem to know what’s in the fictitious document as well as what the child responds to best.
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you need to work on your parenting skills…i feel sorry for your children[/quote]
You feel sorry for his children? Why?
In fact, tell us about yourself. How did your parents raise an outstanding son? What wonderful things have you accomplished that most kids don’t? Any cures for cancer coming from your direction?[/quote]
Colt this is what I will say about this, in real life you would not dare say this to a grown man. Being a father myself if I heard a young person say this to another man I would be inclined to kick that young persons ass myself. You may have had a fucked up childhood and so you see everything from that viewpoint. So are you a father? NO I can answer that because a father would not have said that to another man. [/quote]
If i saw a father not being a good father I would feel absolutely obligated to say something for his child’s sake[/quote]
So you are now the ultimate judge of what constitutes good parenting? Are you a cop? Again if you came into a situation only knowing a part of the information and you tried to mouth off to a grown man about his parenting ability. Well the outcome would not be good for anybody. I am not debating about this mothers actions, that is a judgement call, however you want to call out a guy on the internet who has stated that he has never done this to his own kids.
Your opinion is shit and pointless unless you are a parent, sorry dont care how educated you are or whatever view point you think you can stand on. I am not going to give my opinion on being an inner city black man because no matter what I read I will never have experienced that in my life and could never relate. My .02.[/quote]
Of course I dont think I am the ultimate judge but If i see child abuse I am not going to sit around watch it. I am not talking about getty angry at your child, but legitamte child abuse as seen in the video.[/quote]
If you think what is in that video is child abuse, then you literally have no understanding of kids, parenting, abuse, or your own dick.
Holding hot sauce or chilis in your mouth for lying or swearing is an old Mexican punishment that has been around for years. It’s not unique, rare, or harsh. Soap in the mouth is much worse.
How spoiled have you been to think a cold shower is abusive? We took cold showers growing up because we had no hot water. Apparently most kids who grew up with more than one sibling and only one shower are now victims of abuse.
When you call stuff like this abuse you do a disservice to actual victims of abuse. Now everyone is paying attention to this “monster” who yells at her kid and makes him take a cold shower, yet you forget about kids who are actually getting the shit kicked out of them.
My mom raised my adoptive brother who had a serious lying problem and was all around one of the most difficult cases my state has seen (they told us this). When my mom saw the Dr. Phil segment her response to all the hate was “Clearly these people have never raised kids. The only problem with it is it isn’t working.”[/quote]
You raise no arguement i should not even be commenting on this[/quote]
By your definition of argument, no one is making one, including you. We are all merely making claims. There is nothing abusive about what she did. Those methods are very widespread and common. NOT abuse.
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This woman is not the worst, but she is certainly no role model, and her drawn out methodology borders on torture.
I’m surprised and impressed by some of the fathers on here. BG you seem to have really mellowed over the years on this board, and fatherhood can do that to you.
I don’t hit my kids. Not that I have never wanted to, but I just no longer think it works in the greater scheme. I came into fatherhood with the thought that corporal punishment was effective because that is how I was raised. However, I came to the realization that it was fear, not respect that it encouraged. I got my ass beat a few times, until at about fifteen my dad came at me and I told him if it made him feel like a man to go ahead and hit me. He walked away and I was never beaten by him again.
This kid lied because he was scared of the repercussions. He knew if he was caught it would be worse and yet he still lied. If psychical punishment worked would he have lied?
I don’t have all the answers and am just getting into the rebellious years with two girls eleven and thirteen. I do know however that taking away privileges and my obvious disappointment in their actions is usually enough to set them on the correct path.
As far as anyone without kids chiming in because they were raised by parents instead of wolves, you have absolutely no clue and no leg to stand on that you do.[/quote]
Well, this is my second time around, but it’s full time this time. I hope it’s fatherhood that caused my perceived mellowing and not me getting older or going soft. LOL. However, good post…you used fewer words to say what I’ve been trying to say all thru this thread.
[quote]roybot wrote:
"In an interview, Jessicaâ??s husband, Gary, explains how he feels about his wifeâ??s methods for disciplining Kristoff. â??Jessica is more frustrated than angry, because weâ??ve added more kids to the house. When Jessica gets frustrated, I see her having a shorter temper. Kristoff has not reacted to much of our discipline,â?? he says. â??The idea for hot sauce came up from my wife talking to a friend of hers. In the military, we use cold showers for discipline, basically to get peopleâ??s attention. When Kristoff gets a cold shower, he pays attention at the moment. I feel like Iâ??m strict with my kids.â??
http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/6062/?id=6062&slide=0&showID=1545&preview=&versionID=
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I got a great fucking idea. STOP ADDING KIDS TO THE HOUSEHOLD
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day late and a dollar short, but the part that was the worst wasn’t the cold shower or the hot sauce it was the part where she stood over the kid and kept yelling at him. It’s been proven that psychological abuse is just as bad as physical abuse and cause permenant changes do a persons brain.