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It seems like you have been raised to think little children should be [part of decision making processes. They shouldn’t in my opinion.
If I tell a little kid don’t eat that cookie and they do, it doesn’t fucking matter WHY they ate. They disobeyed an order and that order was made for a reason that a little child may not be able to understand…which is why they have PARENTS.[/quote]
Bingo. I used to ask my kids if they wanted X, Y or Z for dinner…between the 2 of them, they could not ever agree and one if not both were always upset at the outcome and I could never seem to recover. I’ve made this mistake, but it is a particular style that does not work. Parents feel they are making a more well rounded, decisive child if they are consulted about a lot of decisions…they end up being narcissistic in the end moreso than a regular child.
Now, they get what I give them for lunch or dinner. No arguing, and they better appreciate it…like it or not!
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Can you point me to the peer reviewed studies supporting your learned conclusions above? Or are we talking about a study of one household? [/quote]
Dude, if you want a peer review for my points, then you must bring them as well for yours. This is MY experience with my kids, as well as many others I have witnessed.
There is NO RIGHT and NO WRONG way to parent proven by science. This is my experience as a father.
What is your hard on about with regard to what I said above?
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You made conclusions. I have done no such thing. I have given my opinion.
“I’ve made this mistake, but it is a particular style that does not work. Parents feel they are making a more well rounded, decisive child if they are consulted about a lot of decisions…they end up being narcissistic in the end moreso than a regular child.” [/quote]
Right…I guess my conclusion is a hypothesis to you, but in my house, the more rope you give, the more a kid will hang themselves by making bad choices. If you are not an authority figure (Hands off) then the kids will run rampant. It’s a parents job to make sure they guided, and not left to their own devices.
What’s the problem in that?
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Can you please explain to me the connection between “authority figure” as you put it and the video we witnessed? Can you please refer me to the post where someone said they shouldn’t be the “authority figure”. And finally, can you please explain to me where someone advocated a “hands off” approach to parenting?[/quote]
I said it earlier
“hands Off” and you replied that I meant people need to hit their children.
Anyway, I’m done with you, you just want to argue no matter what.
You have no right to judge another method as shown in the video. You don’t know the full story, you don’t know any of the childs past etc. There are more effective ways, yes, but in this case you KNOW NOTHING about the household situation and the kids behavior pattern. Tobasco and a shower…For fucking lying straight up AFTER you get in trouble at school 3 times. She took action.
I have an 8 year old that would lie ALL THE TIME when she was 5-7. Sitting down and explaining it to her does not work, she still lied. I took action, not in the form of the video or violence in any way, but I took shit away and she screamed bloody murder worse than the kid in the vid.
My point is you cannot be holier than thou, which you seem to be projecting here.
As you said kids don’t come with a manual, and each kid is different…but you seem to know what’s in the fictitious document as well as what the child responds to best.
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you need to work on your parenting skills…i feel sorry for your children[/quote]
You feel sorry for his children? Why?
In fact, tell us about yourself. How did your parents raise an outstanding son? What wonderful things have you accomplished that most kids don’t? Any cures for cancer coming from your direction?[/quote]
Colt this is what I will say about this, in real life you would not dare say this to a grown man. Being a father myself if I heard a young person say this to another man I would be inclined to kick that young persons ass myself. You may have had a fucked up childhood and so you see everything from that viewpoint. So are you a father? NO I can answer that because a father would not have said that to another man. [/quote]
If i saw a father not being a good father I would feel absolutely obligated to say something for his child’s sake[/quote]
So you are now the ultimate judge of what constitutes good parenting? Are you a cop? Again if you came into a situation only knowing a part of the information and you tried to mouth off to a grown man about his parenting ability. Well the outcome would not be good for anybody. I am not debating about this mothers actions, that is a judgement call, however you want to call out a guy on the internet who has stated that he has never done this to his own kids.
Your opinion is shit and pointless unless you are a parent, sorry dont care how educated you are or whatever view point you think you can stand on. I am not going to give my opinion on being an inner city black man because no matter what I read I will never have experienced that in my life and could never relate. My .02.