Worst Parenting... Ever

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
Professor X, you state my points as well as or better than I can. I’ll still give it a shot though.

If a child is doing something wrong, they need to learn to no longer do that thing. Looking back to when I was a child, I didn’t need to know WHY I shouldn’t do something; what was important was just making sure I did not do it. Sometimes physical punishment is the best option for teaching this.

Why would I not go this route? I don’t think I have it in me to hit a child. That’s my personal weakness. I do like the idea of digging holes or running though. [/quote]

Agreed. I now know how rough that neighborhood was growing up. My parents had certain rules set up for a reason and the average 8 year old is not going to understand all of these reasons. I doubt the average eight year old know which houses are selling drugs or is aware of which street someone got stabbed on last week. “Don’t go down that street on your bike” was enough…until you come to this website and people act like the child should be a part of that decision making process.

This is a “disturbed” foster kid and if anyone thinks this is the worst many foster kids or their guardians deal with then their world must be all roses and butterflies.

No, I do not see the big deal about hot sauce or even a cold shower in the grand scheme of things. I think that if this woman had a different demeanor, she wouldn’t be getting as much of the reaction against her. I doubt even one spanking most of us got growing up would look good if it were televised. It would look like torture…and then the world would be calling for your parents to lose their kids.

Abuse is NOT telling a kid what they did wrong yet punishing them anyway.

Abuse is leaving lasting WOUNDS on a child.

Abuse can also involve psychological trauma that I feel is even more common today in the form of NEGLECT.

Do some of you want to know some forms of abuse that seem to be tolerated? Parents giving their kids everything they want to their own physical decay…like I see often with parents allowing a kids’ mouth to rot out completely because the kid likes candy and will cry if you tell him no.

Yes, there is a trend in society of the next generation being more relaxed than the previous when it comes to physical discipline. Castor Oil might be seen as abuse today when it was not when our grandparents were kids. Washing a kids mouth out with soap literally sounds ridiculous to me. Soap is not meant to be eaten. Hot sauce is.

I would have traded a couple of swats with a branch growing up with hot sauce any fucking day of the week.

If THIS is the worst parenting some of you have seen, then many of you must not get out much. Like I said, I see NEGLECT as the larger issue in society along with giving into kids simply to shut them up…but hey, since this looks nice on youtube, I guess that makes it more tolerable than getting cold water because you acted like an ass at school and then lied about it.

Will I personally spend the time doing this? I would hope I wouldn’t have to with a kid I raised from day one…but raising someone ELSE’S kid is a different bag all together.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
You people are pussies, holy fuck.
You make it sound like they are raping the kid.[/quote]

You’re an idiot.
Good luck raising your own kids. I feel sorry for them.[/quote]

Says the idiot who tried to convince people that being an artist was “important” to society.

Some people have been smacked across the face. Some used to have soap put in their mouth.
A little hot sauce and a 30 second cold shower? Puh- lease.
You fucking faggots talk about being hardcore, you sound like a bunch of pussies.
I bet your kids are (gonna be) self entitled slackers. [/quote]

So art is not important to society? Wow. One of the earliest expressions of man, encouraged, nurtured and celebrated throughout our entire history on the planet, from cave drawings to picasso. Thank you for pointing out the shallow end of the gene pool. I’d rather sound like a pussy than a dumb ignorant motherfucker. [/quote]

you just dont understand BG… I guess you’re just not as alpha as he is. lol

[quote]anonym wrote:
From Dr. Phil’s website:

“It’s just frustration,” Jessica blurts out. “I don’t know what to do with him. I really, truly don’t, and that’s why I wrote you. That’s why I am willing to sit up here, and have an audience look at me and judge me, because I need help for this child.”

So, in the event that some of you want to continue to harp on about what a monster she is, keep in mind that she’s stated that she has tried everything else she can think of and is truly at her wits’ end when it comes to getting through to this kid.

She is also the one who sent Dr. Phil the video tape.[/quote]

I came to this conclusion earlier, but no one commented on it.

This lady needs to eat some sudden death (third hottest sauce in the world that I’ve had) and be submerged in an ice bath…

that’s what this kid needs…

classic.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
“I want him to obey”.

Get a well trained dog you cunt.

Funny, I’m a parent to 3 boys, from 20, 18 and 4. I never once thought of wanting them to “obey” - her words. Even during a troubling time with one, I am not looking for “obey”, but good decision making.

OBEY. She said it. You think I’m cherry picking? Listen to this broad. She has issues. And she is clearly ESCALATING her responses b/c her style of parenting is NOT working. What’s next, put pepper spray in your mouth b/c the hot sauce is no longer effective? Waterboarding b/c the cold shower doesn’t do it?

You guys don’t get it. Violence has never been a means to elicit compliance. Just b/c you were subject to some measure of it growing up, is not evidence that it works. It does NOT work. If it did work, it would be THE answer, and getting good kids would only be a matter of finding the right measure of beatings for that child. Ridiculous.

OBEY. RUN ALONG NOW AND GO OBEY.[/quote]

Care to use some other word then C. If i had some soap handy, i’d make you eat it…

and if i had some hot sauce i’d throw it in your eyes…
You sir are a C U Next Tuesday, for even using that word and should know better.

Kids should do what their parents tell them, because they are their parents and they have said so. That should be enough. THey should have more respect for the person who provides for them, period.

No violence is not the answer, but discipline & punishment is.

I was belted a handful of times growing up, and guess what i deserved them all.
My father never lost he’s cool when doing so, and you could tell that it always hurt him more then us. We were told to either put our hand out or to turn around, so no serious harm could ever happen.

I do think the hot sauce is a litte odd, perhaps excessive, I wouldn’t ever advocate burning a child, and this may be possible for some children via hot sauce, the cold shower to me is ok, but then again we use to go swimming in unheated pools into winter.

The absolute worse punishment for me though, when my dad was really disapointed in my actions, was to not talk to me… after a day or two, you wish he would just go and get the belt and be done with it.

“I’m gonna tell you daddy”

1m 55s

My kids were smacked on the rear maybe 7-10 times when they were young. One swat that was designed to sting a little to get their attention. Let’s say under 8 years of age. Once I thought my son was being disrespectful when he was 11 so I picked him up with one hand and told him he was out of line and irritating me.

No hitting, screaming etc. was needed that day. Whenever they were punished they were told why when things calmed down. Any physical punishment was used as a pattern interrupt to get them off that train so to speak. Other punishments were mindless tasks like opening and closing the door a hundred times after upteen times of leaving it open, making them watch the church lady on the Catholic channel on a beautiful Saturday, and paying 2 bucks a broken glass when they weren’t careful doing dishes. After breaking who knows how many.

I always thought you needed to keep kids off balance to some degree and most importantly follow through.

I have two honor roll students, both in the top 20 out of 300 kids or so, never in school or legal trouble and very respectful and responsible.

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

Says the idiot who tried to convince people that being an artist was “important” to society.
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So, idiot… imagine your world without artists.

Who do you think draws your favorite video games? Artists. Who paints the images on greeting cards you buy to express “your” feelings for a loved one? Who created the logos for the sports teams you root for or the bands you listen to? How about the clothes you wear… the cool graphics on T-shirts, the cut and design? Who drafts the designs for the buildings we work and dwell in, or that car you drive?

Damn right. Artists. The list is endless. Important to society?
You tell me, internet tough guy.

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

If a child is doing something wrong, they need to learn to no longer do that thing. Looking back to when I was a child, I didn’t need to know WHY I shouldn’t do something; what was important was just making sure I did not do it. Sometimes physical punishment is the best option for teaching this.

Why would I not go this route? I don’t think I have it in me to hit a child. That’s my personal weakness. I do like the idea of digging holes or running though. [/quote]

LOL @ theoretical parenting.

Children do need to know why something is wrong or they won’t learn or understand. I think the childless here don’t give single-digit aged children enough credit.

When does ‘why’ become important? Their 10th birthday? 11th? 8th? Sorry, but my kids are raised to ask questions and to understand EVERYTHING they do. Apply this to bodybuilding (“Why squat?”-- “Don’t worry about it, just shut up and squat”).

Naturally kids going to ask why they can’t do something. Does anyone really think otherwise? Do you want your kids to be mindless robots?

Is ‘just shut up and do what I say’ how kids should be educated in the classroom, too?

My neighbor, the single, childless PhD saw that we got movie screens for the van for a long trip. She said that she believes that those things ruin children and that they should be made to sit and admire the scenery (for a 10 hour trip). Apparently, some of you would agree. I’m going to guess that many with children would not.

[quote]tom63 wrote:
My kids were smacked on the rear maybe 7-10 times when they were young. One swat that was designed to sting a little to get their attention. Let’s say under 8 years of age. Once I thought my son was being disrespectful when he was 11 so I picked him up with one hand and told him he was out of line and irritating me.

No hitting, screaming etc. was needed that day. Whenever they were punished they were told why when things calmed down. Any physical punishment was used as a pattern interrupt to get them off that train so to speak. Other punishments were mindless tasks like opening and closing the door a hundred times after upteen times of leaving it open, making them watch the church lady on the Catholic channel on a beautiful Saturday, and paying 2 bucks a broken glass when they weren’t careful doing dishes. After breaking who knows how many.

I always thought you needed to keep kids off balance to some degree and most importantly follow through.
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Flashbacks! My family owned a meat-store/Italian deli. I was made to clean out the walk in freezers, separate gizzards, salt-scrub blocks.

My dad has Popeye arms from slinging hind-quarters around his whole life. I lied one time and he picked me up with one hand and put me up to the wall. His fist was about as big as my head and said something to the effect of if I ever lie like that again, he’d put me THROUGH the wall. I remember that vividly and I was 8 or 9.

Ironically, I remember getting the belt for something around the same time (got the shit beat out of me and cried the whole day), but I have no idea what I did.

Tom’s point about explaining why when all is calm is important. In the heat of a tantrum or yelling, all the kid thinks about is “they are yelling”. You can theorize parenting all day long, but you only learn this when you have kids.

JC’s point about ‘the silent treatment’ is powerful and true. Kids want love, security, and their parents approval. Using that effectively is as powerful as any belt or switch.

Try gargling some hot sauce a few notches spicier than your comfort level. I bet after you do the “hot sauce is a food” argument will disappear.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

Says the idiot who tried to convince people that being an artist was “important” to society.
[/quote]

So, idiot… imagine your world without artists.

Who do you think draws your favorite video games? Artists. Who paints the images on greeting cards you buy to express “your” feelings for a loved one? Who created the logos for the sports teams you root for or the bands you listen to? How about the clothes you wear… the cool graphics on T-shirts, the cut and design? Who drafts the designs for the buildings we work and dwell in, or that car you drive?

Damn right. Artists. The list is endless. Important to society?
You tell me, internet tough guy.
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Artist are completely unnecesary. Granted I live in a cave, could care less about other men struggling to play with someone else’s balls, wear animals skins to keep myself warm, I walk everywhere and have all the pictures turned off online because I fear (and I mean fear worse than rabid bears and gorse bushes) that I might be subjected to some man’s cartooned shadow schlong.

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Try gargling some hot sauce a few notches spicier than your comfort level. I bet after you do the “hot sauce is a food” argument will disappear. [/quote]

It doesn’t disappear at all. Hot sauce is edible and soap is not. Yet people are ok with washing some kid’s mouth out with soap but not with hot sauce. That double standard makes no sense at all. Since when does a spanking fall within someone’s comfort level? Are you serious with this?

The whole freaking point is for it to be UNcomfortable.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

Says the idiot who tried to convince people that being an artist was “important” to society.
[/quote]

So, idiot… imagine your world without artists.

Who do you think draws your favorite video games? Artists. Who paints the images on greeting cards you buy to express “your” feelings for a loved one? Who created the logos for the sports teams you root for or the bands you listen to? How about the clothes you wear… the cool graphics on T-shirts, the cut and design? Who drafts the designs for the buildings we work and dwell in, or that car you drive?

Damn right. Artists. The list is endless. Important to society?
You tell me, internet tough guy.
[/quote]

The claim that art is unimportant to society is so deliciously blinkered that I have to comment. Art is partly responsible for the creation of society: it pre-dated formal language and when the spoken word was established, language and art started to drive each other forward at a faster pace, creating religion which used art to inspire and enforce faith in the uneducated masses when the written and spoken word wasn’t quite enough (murals of divinity in places of worship bestowed a sense of power… not only on the places themselves, but on the holy men who were quite literally backed by God).

From religion came the foundation of laws; from laws, politics, a social structure and ‘civilization’. The rest really is history.

Everything that led us to this point (art, language etc) is an expression of the human need to develop. To keep this semi on-topic, you can see a potted history of human evolution in the development of a baby.

Every infant scrawls and scribbles as they develop (even if they grow into non-artistic adults). It’s part of our exploratory nature. If art was disposable, then we’d have discarded it thousands of years ago as soon as formal verbal communication developed. We didn’t because it’s an extension of what we are.

If you don’t get that, then you need to get a clue on how society and the human mind ticks before you start passing judgement on other people.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Try gargling some hot sauce a few notches spicier than your comfort level. I bet after you do the “hot sauce is a food” argument will disappear. [/quote]

It doesn’t disappear at all. Hot sauce is edible and soap is not. Yet people are ok with washing some kid’s mouth out with soap but not with hot sauce. That double standard makes no sense at all. Since when does a spanking fall within someone’s comfort level? Are you serious with this?

The whole freaking point is for it to be UNcomfortable.[/quote]

My point is it’s a pretty intense punishment for a kid not that fact it’s simply uncomfortable. I’ve been soaped, it just tastes bad.

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

If a child is doing something wrong, they need to learn to no longer do that thing. Looking back to when I was a child, I didn’t need to know WHY I shouldn’t do something; what was important was just making sure I did not do it. Sometimes physical punishment is the best option for teaching this.

Why would I not go this route? I don’t think I have it in me to hit a child. That’s my personal weakness. I do like the idea of digging holes or running though. [/quote]

LOL @ theoretical parenting.

Children do need to know why something is wrong or they won’t learn or understand. I think the childless here don’t give single-digit aged children enough credit.

When does ‘why’ become important? Their 10th birthday? 11th? 8th? Sorry, but my kids are raised to ask questions and to understand EVERYTHING they do. Apply this to bodybuilding (“Why squat?”-- “Don’t worry about it, just shut up and squat”).

Naturally kids going to ask why they can’t do something. Does anyone really think otherwise? Do you want your kids to be mindless robots?

Is ‘just shut up and do what I say’ how kids should be educated in the classroom, too?

My neighbor, the single, childless PhD saw that we got movie screens for the van for a long trip. She said that she believes that those things ruin children and that they should be made to sit and admire the scenery (for a 10 hour trip). Apparently, some of you would agree. I’m going to guess that many with children would not.
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I think you miss his point.

Scenario: “A burglar breaks in the house and your kid doesn’t know it yet. You wake them up and TELL THEM to go hide in the closet. Your kids, based on your practice of them NEEDING to know why at all times, don’t go hide until you explain in fully why they need to.”

Meanwhile, the way I was raised, I am going to hide in the closet because dad told me to, not because he sat down and explained WHY in detail at all times.

The key to that kid surviving in that circumstance now relies on them being quiet and listening when told to do something.

No, no kids always need to know WHY right now. They need to learn to listen when told as well because who knows when them simply shutting up and doing as told could even save their life.

In my house growing up, you did what you were told to do BECAUSE your parents told you to do it. Yes, there may be some explanations as well but your obedience did not rely on an explanation.

It should NEVER rely on the explanation…at least if your parents did their job well.

Okay, so this woman clearly doesn’t win mom of the year, but I don’t think she’s the example of the worst parenting ever. Remember, there are people who beat their children for no reason, don’t feed them, molest them, and kill them.

Can we all at least agree on that?

[quote]byukid wrote:
Okay, so this woman clearly doesn’t win mom of the year, but I don’t think she’s the example of the worst parenting ever. Remember, there are people who beat their children for no reason, don’t feed them, molest them, and kill them.

Can we all at least agree on that?[/quote]

The worst parenting ever was just a catchy thread title. She is not the worst I’ve seen, it wasn’t meant to be taken literally.

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]byukid wrote:
Okay, so this woman clearly doesn’t win mom of the year, but I don’t think she’s the example of the worst parenting ever. Remember, there are people who beat their children for no reason, don’t feed them, molest them, and kill them.

Can we all at least agree on that?[/quote]

The worst parenting ever was just a catchy thread title. She is not the worst I’ve seen, it wasn’t meant to be taken literally. [/quote]

Well buddy, this is the internet, and I take everything here literally, like it or not!

(I kid)