Fucking Pollocks
[quote]slippery_banana wrote:
dday wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:
dday wrote:
The only music I truly can’t stand is newer rap, you know the guys who seem to have nothing better to say then, yea…uhhh…yea…uhhhh…bitches…huh…money. I like all other rap, Cube, Dre, Snoop, Eminem these guys have talent.
I don’t know how Snoop doesn’t fit in with the money and bitches crowd. Or Dr. Dre, for that matter.
Don’t get me wrong, I think both are talented, but I also don’t judge a rapper based on subject matter alone.
True, they do base on money and bitches but they have talent unlike 90% of the new class of rapper.
I agree with your statement 100%. I’m not the biggest fan of rap and hip-hop, but you can tell the talent was there back then.[/quote]
What do you define as talent? I don’t mean to be annoying but you made a bold statement about music today vs. music them without actually explaining why or talking about the music itself.
Is it lyrical dexterity? Flow? Imagery? Beats? All of that?
make em say ughhhh…
nuhnah nuhnah
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
That’s you in the video, isn’t it?
Powiedz prawde…[/quote]
Jestesz z polski?
I think talent is defined as a personal choice. What is talent to one person may be complete trash to another. So when I say talent, I am referring to what I think is talent. I have been in the music industry for a couple of years, and I do feel that most of the quality of songs recorded have declined, IMHO.
To answer the question though, I think that the flow was better. I also think that the writing was better. Maybe the voices aren’t better, but I think that some version of auto tune might be present. I think that the beats have gotten more complex, but not necessarily better. Some new stuff is good, but I guess I am a sucker for anything old school though.
[quote]FirestormWarrior wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
That’s you in the video, isn’t it?
Powiedz prawde…
Jestesz z polski?[/quote]
Jestem z Afryki Poludniowej, ale rodzice sa Polacy.
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
I heard that country and rap are polar opposites, if you like one, you hate the other, passionately.
It appears combining the two alienates both groups :)[/quote]
I like both. Southern rappers are pretty damn country.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
The sound of pop has changed a lot over the years, and it varies a lot based on what sounds are big. And it’s not made by talent-less people. Some of the most talented producers and songwriters work to make those songs, and the performers have to be at least competent for the work to sell. That’s why you see guys like Timbaland and the Neptunes starting out in genres outside of pop, then working their way up to artists like Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears, and Gwen Stefani. Big pop artists can afford to work with the best.
I’m not sure what your idea of sounding the same is, but I see more differences in most pop music songs then I do for much more obscure genres, and that’s just by the nature of the music. [/quote]
Pop simply embodies a lot of what I don’t like about music. I don’t hate all of it - the likes of Timberlake have actually grown on me, and there are some very talented PRODUCERS. Millions of people can sing. All they have to do is look good, mime their concerts and viola! Sex sells pop music.
Sure, lots of them love their jobs and it’s a passion - like I said I don’t hate all of it. It’s probably down to a lot of individuals which annoy the hell out of me by making some ridiculous music with an annoying beat, radio playing it to death 15 times a day, and then you never hear from them again. It seems people get in, make some money and get out - and pop is the target genre.
As for sounding the same, I didn’t mean that literally, but rather the subject matter is almost always the same.
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Yeah, but why hate a song because the performer didn’t write it? Some of the most talented songwriters work to make those songs. The way you interpret a written song is also important, just listen to two different versions of the same song and you’ll know it important. That’s where the performers play in. Most of the early rock artists started out with a lot of covers, and soul music is loaded with covers, and different renditions of the same song. The same for the blues. And we haven’t even gotten to pop standards. [/quote]
At lot of music nowadays is just remixes and covers of stuff from the 60/70/80s. They aren’t making the classics any better - worse, in fact. I don’t hate a song because it wasn’t written by the performer - but I do hate performers that ruin an otherwise good song. Even if they didn’t write it and just do a cover. I don’t know why exactly, I just don’t like it and it’s cool to hate.
True, and this is why I choose not to listen to the radio anymore. I guess I don’t like the fact that people actually think this is “good” music. It’s my opinion and I can’t force it on others - loads of people won’t agree with my personal tastes. It’s music for a younger generation, club music if you will - where you go to dance, not analyze the crap you’re listening too. It has its place in a way, I just don’t want to hear it.
Clowncore - YouTube
Speedcore What Is Speedcore?! - YouTube
Clowncore still sounds like it’s a step above Nickleback.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
FirestormWarrior wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
That’s you in the video, isn’t it?
Powiedz prawde…
Jestesz z polski?
Jestem z Afryki Poludniowej, ale rodzice sa Polacy.[/quote]
Rozumie. Ja jestem z Austri, matka jest polka. Hm.
Ok, back to english now ;).
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
DSmolken wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
That’s you in the video, isn’t it?
Powiedz prawde…
Yup, I’m the one shameless enough to leave my face uncovered.
LOL, to be honest - I can think of way worse genres.[/quote]
Uh… so what do I have to do to earn the widespread public hatred I crave? Hold a shoe in the next video?
I almost feel bad for posting this, but I defy anyone to find a song worse then this:
I hate this style of like modern rock mixed with country. Like Nickleback and Theory of a Deadman.
But I think I hate R&B and Country the most. I just can’t stand listening to people whine, and that’s all country and R&B is, people whining over dumb drama in the form of a song.
The thing about it is, when almost any genre begins to appeal to a very large audience, it begins to turn into commercial pop music. Look at almost any genre. Often its lowest form quality-wise, is that which appeals to the masses. Some genres have a very large percentage of music in this crappy, commercial form. Country fits into this.
I like commercial forms of music far more than artsy ones because the competition is brutally intense and you have to be good. The less commercial you get, the more weaknesses you can get away with. I do play in one “quirky” avant-pop band which except for me is all university-educated middle class people, and my parts in that band are much simpler than in the children’s choir I play for. I played my first few gigs with that band without even knowing any of the songs and no one noticed.
[quote]DSmolken wrote:
I like commercial forms of music far more than artsy ones because the competition is brutally intense and you have to be good. The less commercial you get, the more weaknesses you can get away with. I do play in one “quirky” avant-pop band which except for me is all university-educated middle class people, and my parts in that band are much simpler than in the children’s choir I play for. I played my first few gigs with that band without even knowing any of the songs and no one noticed.[/quote]
In general, when your talking about alot of things that appeal to the masses, the competition IS intense, your exactly right. This is another example of that.
Mcdonalds
Taco Bell
Arbys
Burger King
KFC
Chic fil a
but which one is best? Who knows! The competition is intense! Each has to be very good!
Commercial music fucking blows, its all about catching the attention of morons quickly and repeating again and again.
I hate country pop, but I am cool with Hank III and alt country. Radio country sucks mad balls and the people who listen to it are wal-mart employees. I can dig some old school shit to like Cash and Waylon, hells yeah mutha fucka. Same with modern R&B totally lame weak shit with a weak ass hip-hop beat in the background and usually with the stupidest lyrics ever. Though I can dig the old Mo-town shit, like some Al Green and Marvin and fucking A James Brown. Nickelback is the worst shit since the late 80’s crap like Nelson and Slaughter. Lil Wayne is only cool if you are a girl or a teenie bopper or maybe a college douchebag. 8 Ball and MJG along with UGK are the kings of all hip hop and jam that shit right next to my Johnny Cash. Just don’t mix that shit because one mood is totally different then the other. s
My top ten hate list.
Toby Keith
Kenny Chesney
Nickel Back
Kid Rock
T Pain
Flo-Rida
Creed
30 second to Mars
Beyonce, though I would like to gag fuck her
Kanye West, pussy ass biotch
Artsy music turned me off because the subculture that’s come with it. Hipsters are lame, its like dressing as a cowboy because you like country music. It’s also funny how people label music if you like it listen to it if you don’t then don’t.
[quote]DSmolken wrote:
I like commercial forms of music far more than artsy ones because the competition is brutally intense and you have to be good. The less commercial you get, the more weaknesses you can get away with. I do play in one “quirky” avant-pop band which except for me is all university-educated middle class people, and my parts in that band are much simpler than in the children’s choir I play for. I played my first few gigs with that band without even knowing any of the songs and no one noticed.[/quote]
what about powerful music, real art?