[quote]lixy wrote:
polo77j wrote:
They guy may hold a Ph.D but believes that one of the best documented atrocities in HISTORY (always thought that it was a subject in school (history)) never happened. That’s a little ignorant in my book.
Nope. That’s the way it was presented. He never actually claimed that the Holocaust didn’t happen. He questioned the proportions of the massacre. Not that it’s smart, wise, or moral to do so. Far from that. But it’s a totally different issue than claiming that the Holocaust never happened.
He says, (I’m paraphrasing but trying to be as acurate as possible) The Zionist state should be wiped from the pages of history.
His speech was mistranslated. The Iranian government issued an official statement clearing things up…[/quote]
That is the biggest bunch of horseshit.
Since Israel is Little Satan and the US is the Great Satan why wouldn’t he want to wipe us out? It is his duty as a man of god.
How the Iranian government treats his own people is a non-issue. Iran is a sovereign state, and the US (or any other country for that matter) don’t have much say in the matter. Compared to the horrors that happen in Egypt, the occupied territories, Saudi Arabia and other US allies, human right abuse in Iran is fairly negligible.
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At last I understand why the Iranian government hates the US so much. Because if it were suddenly to become an ally of the US, they would then be held accountable for the atrocities they commit against their own people. As long as they are an enemy of the US, their human rights records are “fairly negligible.”
By the same token, how Israel treats it’s own people should be a non-issue as well.
[quote]lixy wrote:
A nuclear armed Iran is something that will shift (more accurately, restore) the balance of power in the ME and that’s a power the US isn’t willing to give up. America wants total hegemony over the region - if not the world - and other countries will always challenge that any way they can.
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Lixy longs for the days of the cold war? Were you even alive then?
You act as if America is the only country with nukes in the world. “We want hegemony over the entire world.” What a bunch of BS.
[quote]polo77j wrote:
I also liked the way the focus shifted from Ahmadenijad to the Saudi’s … way to stay on topic fellas … while we’re at it lets compare oranges and asparagus[/quote]
That happens a lot around here. Of course, I ALWAYS stay on topic!!
The Saudis have trillions of dollars in our T-Bills and bonds. We can’t attack them, since they are our partners.
Together, with Saudi partnership, we and the rest of western Europe will conquer the Middle East, the Saudis will fund all this, and then they will administer the area, insuring that no rogue groups F things up.
[quote]lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
But will it be answered honestly - or even answered at all?
There’s not much point debating if you can’t even assume good faith.[/quote]
Debating what? I asked a valid question. He has gone on record many times calling us the great Satan.
I guess he was just fucking with us, huh?
Coming from a country that has little in the way of personal freedoms - it must be a huge culture shock to a terrorist/president to face a population who actually has a country built on the rights of the people.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Do you or do you not have military bases all over the globe? If so, how is that not hegemony “over the entire world”?[/quote]
Why do you continually ignore the fact that we aren’t being asked to leave by too many of those “colonized” nations? Can it be that the relationship is symbiotic?
Do you understand that these countries view U.S. military bases on their soil as subsidies towards their own defense force?
They allow U.S. bases because it means they don’t have to expend nearly as many resources developing their own defense force. We allow them to use our military as their own defense force because it allows the U.S. the capability to deploy anywhere on the globe as well as extend our sphere of influence over virtually the entire globe.
It’s a two-way street lixy; both sides win. If it wasn’t, then a hell of lot of countries would be asking or forcing us to leave. There aren’t.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
There’s not much point debating if you can’t even assume good faith.
Debating what? I asked a valid question. He has gone on record many times calling us the great Satan.
I guess he was just fucking with us, huh? [/quote]
I sincerely can’t recall any of his speeches where he called you “the Great Satan”, but I’m sure you can fill me in…can you?
In any case, you questioned the guy’s honesty, then presented the “Great Satan” as evidence. It makes absolutely no sense. If anything, his outspokenness would be a testimony to his honesty.
[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Why do you continually ignore the fact that we aren’t being asked to leave by too many of those “colonized” nations? Can it be that the relationship is symbiotic? [/quote]
Hold a referendum in those countries and see how it turns out.
This interview was on British TV a week or so ago. Ahmadinejad pretty much denies the Holocaust in this interview. See the link for the issue of Israel.
This interview was on British TV a week or so ago. Ahmadinejad pretty much denies the Holocaust in this interview. See the link for the issue of Israel.[/quote]
Did you watch the interview? He doesn’t deny the Holocaust in it. Denying the occurrence of an event is a very different matter from attempting to investigate it.