Hey everybody. I’m new to the site but I have been working out hard for 18 months. I’ve always been tall and slim, and had trouble gaining weight or bulking. I decided to make a real push and see if it could happen. I am 6’4" and started at 165 lbs. After 18 months of working out with a coach and using various diets and plans to bulk, I am at 180lbs and holding. I cant seem to add the muscle mass and definition that I want. I know there is a lot of negativity surrounding anabolics etc. but most of it seems to be scare tactics. I have two questions:
Is there a real medical risk in taking them?
How would I even go about looking for the right ones and finding a place to buy them that I know isn’t going to sell me something fake?
First, congrats on the 15lb weight gain. Thats almost 10% so relatively its a good start. Can you describe in detail the plan you stuck with that worked the best nutrition wise?
Absolutely. Cycling is usually one step forward and one step back unless you cruise on Test or already take optimized TRT. Don’t risk it for rented muscle and a chance to lower your natural production.
Can’t speak to sources here but its not a great path anyway so lets forget you asked.
Without food, all the drugs in the world won’t make you bigger. Eat more. Lots more. Learn to eat to get big. Do that, gain some serious muscle, gain some weight, get stronger on your lifts, and after a few years then MAYBE you could consider anabolics. From what it sounds like right now, all anabolics would do for you at the moment is mess with your health, slam your wallet, and then frustrate you as you find your weight still stagnating.
Buddy of mine played offensive line in college, had trouble keeping his weight up. His trainer has him drinking a protein shake with 2 scoops protein, milk, and 4tbsp straight olive oil after every meal. (So 4x daily for him). I’m not suggesting this, but I think it’s a good example of how much work it takes to fuel a large human, and the effort that goes into eating. Lift big, eat big.
Anabolics enhance the effect you are getting currently. If you are getting none, then enhancing NONE means that you get nothing.
First - you need to learn to eat. At your height, id like a person to be at least 220lbs before touching steroids. Gain up to 220lbs and we can talk all the drugs you want.
The rule of thumb is… if you dont know how to get em, you are not ready.
When a person has put in the work, and years into this, he will know what and how and why
I’m 6’3 when I was 18-19 I took myself from about 165 to 210 with a good layer of fat on. I then spent years ‘bulking’ which meant not really tracking my food and not actually eating enough protein and carbs across the week.
Once I started paying attention to my weight weekly/ daily and tracking my food I realised I was only getting around 150g of protein a day and carbs were erratic.
Skip forward a few years and I’m a steady at around 230lbs but not lean yet. On my frame I still don’t look massive by any means. I wish I’d have started tracking my nutrition properly in my 20s when it would have been much easier to add mass.
So if you want to look big you’ve got a load of weight to add and that will only come from tracking food and working out hard.
Something I will say as well is that if you want to be 225lbs and lean, then you’ll probably need to bulk to 235lbs, hold there for a while and then drop the fat to get to 225lbs.
My final advice is that there are loads of people who take steroids at my gym who are small and weak. Whatever steroids can or can’t do, you still need to eat and workout hard to get yourself to a sensible weight for your height.
Hope that helps, please get strong on the big lifts, eat a tonne of protein and don’t neglect direct arm training as a taller gentleman!
