If you perform 2 workouts a day, 6-8 hours apart from each other, is it alright to consume a peri/post workout drink both times? I assume that the answer is yes, but I’m curious to see what some thing. Maybe one should be a lower carb drink?
Inform me, please.
I have generally done this when training 2x/day – so certainly it can be done, and it seemed clearly beneficial to me compared to just having an ordinary small meal.
One difference is that ordinarily I had the workouts within 4 hours of each other, but I don’t see why that would change the nutrition.
I do wonder whether workout-specific nutrition really can (or should) be double what is optimal for 1x/day training though.
For example, though I haven’t tried it, I would tend to think that quadruple-dose Surge (one before workout 1, another after, the third before workout 2, and the last after that) would be too much. I’ve never done that, doing only either Surge after both, or 1/2 Surge at each of those four times, or double-dose Surge with one workout per day.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I have generally done this when training 2x/day – so certainly it can be done, and it seemed clearly beneficial to me compared to just having an ordinary small meal.
One difference is that ordinarily I had the workouts within 4 hours of each other, but I don’t see why that would change the nutrition.
I do wonder whether workout-specific nutrition really can (or should) be double what is optimal for 1x/day training though.
For example, though I haven’t tried it, I would tend to think that quadruple-dose Surge (one before workout 1, another after, the third before workout 2, and the last after that) would be too much. I’ve never done that, doing only either Surge after both, or 1/2 Surge at each of those four times, or double-dose Surge with one workout per day.[/quote]
I usually only use one scoop to 1.5 scoops of Surge during my workout and have a specially-designed formula that I take afterwards. So far, so good. I used to take Surge immediately post workout, but I’m on something that’s University designed and…free…so I can’t beat it.
[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
I have generally done this when training 2x/day – so certainly it can be done, and it seemed clearly beneficial to me compared to just having an ordinary small meal.
One difference is that ordinarily I had the workouts within 4 hours of each other, but I don’t see why that would change the nutrition.
I do wonder whether workout-specific nutrition really can (or should) be double what is optimal for 1x/day training though.
For example, though I haven’t tried it, I would tend to think that quadruple-dose Surge (one before workout 1, another after, the third before workout 2, and the last after that) would be too much. I’ve never done that, doing only either Surge after both, or 1/2 Surge at each of those four times, or double-dose Surge with one workout per day.
I usually only use one scoop to 1.5 scoops of Surge during my workout and have a specially-designed formula that I take afterwards. So far, so good. I used to take Surge immediately post workout, but I’m on something that’s University designed and…free…so I can’t beat it.
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and what would that be???
If it’s a brief workout, twice a day, then your PWO food should be halved, or 2/3’d.
Hell, throw one in for the first waking meal and you’re up to 5 a day. j/k
More is better for anabolism, but not necessarily pragmatic (or great for the pancreas).
I’d probably be able to do 2 a day (pre/pre) with the occasional post thrown in.
[quote]GNorm wrote:
dhuge67 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
I have generally done this when training 2x/day – so certainly it can be done, and it seemed clearly beneficial to me compared to just having an ordinary small meal.
One difference is that ordinarily I had the workouts within 4 hours of each other, but I don’t see why that would change the nutrition.
I do wonder whether workout-specific nutrition really can (or should) be double what is optimal for 1x/day training though.
For example, though I haven’t tried it, I would tend to think that quadruple-dose Surge (one before workout 1, another after, the third before workout 2, and the last after that) would be too much. I’ve never done that, doing only either Surge after both, or 1/2 Surge at each of those four times, or double-dose Surge with one workout per day.
I usually only use one scoop to 1.5 scoops of Surge during my workout and have a specially-designed formula that I take afterwards. So far, so good. I used to take Surge immediately post workout, but I’m on something that’s University designed and…free…so I can’t beat it.
and what would that be???
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Don’t worry about it.
I think I’d go with a serving of Surge with each workout. Likely half before and half after.
The half before and half after has always worked well for me, so I’d probably do it for both sessions.
[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
GNorm wrote:
dhuge67 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
I have generally done this when training 2x/day – so certainly it can be done, and it seemed clearly beneficial to me compared to just having an ordinary small meal.
One difference is that ordinarily I had the workouts within 4 hours of each other, but I don’t see why that would change the nutrition.
I do wonder whether workout-specific nutrition really can (or should) be double what is optimal for 1x/day training though.
For example, though I haven’t tried it, I would tend to think that quadruple-dose Surge (one before workout 1, another after, the third before workout 2, and the last after that) would be too much. I’ve never done that, doing only either Surge after both, or 1/2 Surge at each of those four times, or double-dose Surge with one workout per day.
I usually only use one scoop to 1.5 scoops of Surge during my workout and have a specially-designed formula that I take afterwards. So far, so good. I used to take Surge immediately post workout, but I’m on something that’s University designed and…free…so I can’t beat it.
and what would that be???
Don’t worry about it.[/quote]
right dude right
[quote]David Barr wrote:
Hell, throw one in for the first waking meal and you’re up to 5 a day. j/k
More is better for anabolism, but not necessarily pragmatic (or great for the pancreas).
I’d probably be able to do 2 a day (pre/pre) with the occasional post thrown in.[/quote]
Good call on the pancreas. That’s a lot of insulin. Since Surge is now three scoops what about 2 scoops for each workout plus extra protein and BCAA’s.
[quote]Mike Roussell wrote:
David Barr wrote:
Hell, throw one in for the first waking meal and you’re up to 5 a day. j/k
More is better for anabolism, but not necessarily pragmatic (or great for the pancreas).
I’d probably be able to do 2 a day (pre/pre) with the occasional post thrown in.
Good call on the pancreas. That’s a lot of insulin. Since Surge is now three scoops what about 2 scoops for each workout plus extra protein and BCAA’s.[/quote]
For workout #1 I had half a serving of Surge during, and the University’s post workout formula afterwards (and BCAAs before, during, and after). For workout #2 I had BCAAs during, and Beverly Mass Maker post workout.
What I’m finding interesting is that even amidst this “Double Dose Surge Project” nobody has suggested that I just take 2 full servings of Surge.
So people are taking 2 full servings for ONE workout and then posters here tell me that 2 full servings, over the course of 2 workouts would be overdoing it?
Interesting…
[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
What I’m finding interesting is that even amidst this “Double Dose Surge Project” nobody has suggested that I just take 2 full servings of Surge.
So people are taking 2 full servings for ONE workout and then posters here tell me that 2 full servings, over the course of 2 workouts would be overdoing it?
Interesting…[/quote]
I can’t prove it but I view two servings of Surge at two different times of the day different and the double dose Surge project. With the DDS Project you are getting one huge insulin spike whereas with 2x day sessions with Surges at both you would be getting 2 huge insulin spikes. My line of thinking with the pancreas comment is that there is more stress with the two separate dosages than two dosages at once.
-MR
Aren’t you cutting right now dhuge?
Why are you working out twice a day?
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
Aren’t you cutting right now dhuge?
Why are you working out twice a day?[/quote]
I’m working out twice a day because, I believe (like today’s article says), that working out more will lead to bigger gains. I ran 4.5 miles on top of my lifting. I’m just trying to get into great shape and I’ll grow even if I’m not eating enough.
Remember what Waterbury said about the oddity of basic training being so catabolic but still producing muscle size increases in participants? More work equals more success. When I go back to “normal” volume at the point of CNS breakdown, it will feel and seem so easy compared to now.
Also, I like to lift and there’s always something else to lift that hasn’t been done. Forearm work, holds, scap push ups, etc…
There’s no end to it and there doesn’t have to be.