I haven’t been following this thread. I am bored of them to be honest. But glad I checked in - Makkun that’s the best post I have seen on T-Nation. Clear, logical, no name calling and completely humiliating for Mick28.
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I guess you missed my other posts huh? Maybe before you stick your ignorant nose into a debate you should actually know what the fuck you’re talking about.[/quote]
I think Makkun could tell me to throw myself in front of a train, and do it in such a way that I would thank him and tell him, “hey man if you ever need anything, just let me know”.
While I’m flattered by the positive feedback, let’s not exaggerate it - except for OG - feel free to offer me favours at any time…
I believe that Mick28 didn’t mean what he wrote initially - we’ve all done it, and imho it’s no reason for gloating.
I think it’s indicative though of what goes on in many of our heads (and I don’t exempt myself here) when we discuss sexual and gender related issues.
Whether it’s abortion, rape or LGBT issues - we all carry certain ugly biases and preconceptions in us, which pop up sometimes quite surprisingly.
Lately, they’ve done so more with all the ‘young girls’ and ‘whore’ threads in SAMA. That means we’re supposed to clarify, rethink and give our opponents a chance to do the same - mostly for the benefit of the (younger) posters here whose views are formed strongly by what they find online.
We’ve all been raised with this sort of baggage by an often less informed generation - but I’m thankful to be able to discuss these issues with like-minded - and opposed - individuals. That includes Mick28.
I believe that Mick28 didn’t mean what he wrote initially - we’ve all done it, and imho it’s no reason for gloating.
Meant every word of it. If a woman is going to have the ultimate say on whether she aborts the child then she BETTER have the ultimate say on whether there is going to be sexual intercourse. With the power to terminate a life should also come the responsibility.
But, I also stated that men too have a responsibility those who were paying attention caught that.
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You negate the responsibility for men when you say it is the woman’s “ultimate” responsibility. Someone is responsible for both the sex and any ensuing matter that results from it. Who?
I believe that Mick28 didn’t mean what he wrote initially - we’ve all done it, and imho it’s no reason for gloating.
Meant every word of it. If a woman is going to have the ultimate say on whether she aborts the child then she BETTER have the ultimate say on whether there is going to be sexual intercourse. With the power to terminate a life should also come the responsibility.
But, I also stated that men too have a responsibility those who were paying attention caught that.
You negate the responsibility for men when you say it is the woman’s “ultimate” responsibility. Someone is responsible for both the sex and any ensuing matter that results from it. Who?
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This is such a loaded topic but I will tell you I think should not have the ultimate decision and that is underage girls without parental notification/consent.
This is such a loaded topic but I will tell you I think should not have the ultimate decision and that is underage girls without parental notification/consent.
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I agree, sort of. That is, I agree that in a benevolent world (the sort of world I like to pretend we live in) that is best. The reality, though, is more complicated. I’ve dealt with girls who were absolutely convinced that something terrible would happen if they told their parents they were pregnant. The couple of times they did tell (girls who kept the pregnancy), nothing bad happened at all. They were terrified, though, and it took months to for them to manage it.
The problem is that parents – gentle, good parents – spend 16 years warning their children against sex, drugs, drinking to the point that kids think the line is absolute and parents won’t want them if they know the truth. Which is one reason for the high rate of abortion.
This is such a loaded topic but I will tell you I think should not have the ultimate decision and that is underage girls without parental notification/consent.
I agree, sort of. That is, I agree that in a benevolent world (the sort of world I like to pretend we live in) that is best. The reality, though, is more complicated. I’ve dealt with girls who were absolutely convinced that something terrible would happen if they told their parents they were pregnant. The couple of times they did tell (girls who kept the pregnancy), nothing bad happened at all. They were terrified, though, and it took months to for them to manage it.
The problem is that parents – gentle, good parents – spend 16 years warning their children against sex, drugs, drinking to the point that kids think the line is absolute and parents won’t want them if they know the truth. Which is one reason for the high rate of abortion.[/quote]
Which also means that said children and too stupid and young to be having sex. This activity should be discouraged in young kids.
This is such a loaded topic but I will tell you I think should not have the ultimate decision and that is underage girls without parental notification/consent.
I agree, sort of. That is, I agree that in a benevolent world (the sort of world I like to pretend we live in) that is best. The reality, though, is more complicated. I’ve dealt with girls who were absolutely convinced that something terrible would happen if they told their parents they were pregnant. The couple of times they did tell (girls who kept the pregnancy), nothing bad happened at all. They were terrified, though, and it took months to for them to manage it.
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Exactly why the decision should not be theirs alone and the parents must be involved. A 16 year sold murdering her child so her parents wouldn’t find out she had sex.
Every adult involved in such a thing is an accomplice to murder, plain and simple. A 16 year old is not in a position to make that decision they will regret the rest of their lives.
How is it partial responsibility if they’re not actually compelled to do anything? If at the end the woman assumes responsibility?
That’s not responsibility. That’s “follow your whim.” Which is where we are currently, which is why women get to decide about abortion without the father’s input.
It’s a shame. Now we have women saying “get over it,” an attitude that runs contrary to solution-focused dialogue.
