Do you want the freedom to discriminate against people using your religion?
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Discrimination is another word that merely means decision. Every thing you do in your life is discriminatory. It’s the attempt to get rid of all discrimination that is essentially a modern war on the right to choose as well as logic, reason, and common sense.
I discriminate against lots of people. Child molesters, murdered, thieves, rapists, people who beat up their spouses, est. You don’t think I should be able to discriminate against these people on moral/religious grounds?
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Do you also want sodomy laws? Segregation laws? Anti-porn laws? Laws that prevent you from working on Sunday?
Religion is far from an authority on logic, reason and common sense.
Do you want the freedom to discriminate against people using your religion?
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What are you even on about? Nobody receives this coverage! Not jews, Catholics, or atheists.
You know where the discrimination comes in?
“Hi, I’m ephrem, champion of freedom. Oh my, those Catholics and their employees are practicing too much freedom, though. I don’t like the manifestation of their idea of freedom, beliefs, and voluntary association. I’m going to get the guys with guns and the courts to put an end to that kind of freedom.”
Your idea of non-discrimination is to crush and bend private institutions into conformity. Then, with all dissent suppressed, and a drone-like monoculture enforced, there’s no discrimination to be had…Because you rooted out what you didn’t like.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Actually, you know what? After reaading your posts again, I agree. Catholic institutions should enact whatever policies they want regarding their employees. Don’t cover anything that offends your religious sensitivities. Dig your heels in, keep up the good work.[/quote]
Do you want the freedom to discriminate against people using your religion?
[/quote]
Discrimination is another word that merely means decision. Every thing you do in your life is discriminatory. It’s the attempt to get rid of all discrimination that is essentially a modern war on the right to choose as well as logic, reason, and common sense.
I discriminate against lots of people. Child molesters, murdered, thieves, rapists, people who beat up their spouses, est. You don’t think I should be able to discriminate against these people on moral/religious grounds?
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Do you also want sodomy laws? Segregation laws? Anti-porn laws? Laws that prevent you from working on Sunday?
Religion is far from an authority on logic, reason and common sense.
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We weren’t speaking of laws. You brought up the right of a religion to discriminate. And yes, they can discriminate against those things if they want.
Plus on the reverse side, to do away with religious law is to do away with all criminal law. Thou shall not kill, so legislating that is allowing a religion to dictate how you live your life.
Do you want the freedom to discriminate against people using your religion?
[/quote]
Discrimination is another word that merely means decision. Every thing you do in your life is discriminatory. It’s the attempt to get rid of all discrimination that is essentially a modern war on the right to choose as well as logic, reason, and common sense.
I discriminate against lots of people. Child molesters, murdered, thieves, rapists, people who beat up their spouses, est. You don’t think I should be able to discriminate against these people on moral/religious grounds?
[/quote]
Do you also want sodomy laws? Segregation laws? Anti-porn laws? Laws that prevent you from working on Sunday?
Religion is far from an authority on logic, reason and common sense.
[/quote]
We weren’t speaking of laws. You brought up the right of a religion to discriminate. And yes, they can discriminate against those things if they want.
Plus on the reverse side, to do away with religious law is to do away with all criminal law. Thou shall not kill, so legislating that is allowing a religion to dictate how you live your life.[/quote]
And when religion is allowed to legislate and to enforce that legislation, that would be fine with you?
Do you want the freedom to discriminate against people using your religion?
[/quote]
Discrimination is another word that merely means decision. Every thing you do in your life is discriminatory. It’s the attempt to get rid of all discrimination that is essentially a modern war on the right to choose as well as logic, reason, and common sense.
I discriminate against lots of people. Child molesters, murdered, thieves, rapists, people who beat up their spouses, est. You don’t think I should be able to discriminate against these people on moral/religious grounds?
[/quote]
Do you also want sodomy laws? Segregation laws? Anti-porn laws? Laws that prevent you from working on Sunday?
Religion is far from an authority on logic, reason and common sense.
[/quote]
We weren’t speaking of laws. You brought up the right of a religion to discriminate. And yes, they can discriminate against those things if they want.
Plus on the reverse side, to do away with religious law is to do away with all criminal law. Thou shall not kill, so legislating that is allowing a religion to dictate how you live your life.[/quote]
And when religion is allowed to legislate and to enforce that legislation, that would be fine with you?[/quote]
That’s what law is. Some people get together and establish a system of morality and right and wrong, then right down rules based on that system, then they enforce those rules. How can you do that without the religious aspect?
And when religion is allowed to legislate and to enforce that legislation, that would be fine with you?[/quote]
That’s what law is. Some people get together and establish a system of morality and right and wrong, then right down rules based on that system, then they enforce those rules. How can you do that without the religious aspect?[/quote]
I guess you can’t if you require an absolute authority to validate your laws.
And when religion is allowed to legislate and to enforce that legislation, that would be fine with you?[/quote]
That’s what law is. Some people get together and establish a system of morality and right and wrong, then right down rules based on that system, then they enforce those rules. How can you do that without the religious aspect?[/quote]
I guess you can’t if you require an absolute authority to validate your laws.
Otherwise I’d say consensus.[/quote]
It isn’t about a claim of absolute authority, legislation assumes absolute authority. Not to do so would mean that a law isn’t binding to people that disagree.
And when religion is allowed to legislate and to enforce that legislation, that would be fine with you?[/quote]
That’s what law is. Some people get together and establish a system of morality and right and wrong, then right down rules based on that system, then they enforce those rules. How can you do that without the religious aspect?[/quote]
I guess you can’t if you require an absolute authority to validate your laws.
Otherwise I’d say consensus.[/quote]
It isn’t about a claim of absolute authority, legislation assumes absolute authority. Not to do so would mean that a law isn’t binding to people that disagree.[/quote]
And when religion is allowed to legislate and to enforce that legislation, that would be fine with you?[/quote]
That’s what law is. Some people get together and establish a system of morality and right and wrong, then right down rules based on that system, then they enforce those rules. How can you do that without the religious aspect?[/quote]
I guess you can’t if you require an absolute authority to validate your laws.
Otherwise I’d say consensus.[/quote]
It isn’t about a claim of absolute authority, legislation assumes absolute authority. Not to do so would mean that a law isn’t binding to people that disagree.[/quote]
And when religion is allowed to legislate and to enforce that legislation, that would be fine with you?[/quote]
That’s what law is. Some people get together and establish a system of morality and right and wrong, then right down rules based on that system, then they enforce those rules. How can you do that without the religious aspect?[/quote]
I guess you can’t if you require an absolute authority to validate your laws.
Otherwise I’d say consensus.[/quote]
It isn’t about a claim of absolute authority, legislation assumes absolute authority. Not to do so would mean that a law isn’t binding to people that disagree.[/quote]
And when religion is allowed to legislate and to enforce that legislation, that would be fine with you?[/quote]
That’s what law is. Some people get together and establish a system of morality and right and wrong, then right down rules based on that system, then they enforce those rules. How can you do that without the religious aspect?[/quote]
I guess you can’t if you require an absolute authority to validate your laws.
Otherwise I’d say consensus.[/quote]
It isn’t about a claim of absolute authority, legislation assumes absolute authority. Not to do so would mean that a law isn’t binding to people that disagree.[/quote]
Then what do we need religion for?[/quote]
Religion isn’t about rules and authority. [/quote]
Well pat, it is, actually. Religion is all about rules and authority.
I was explaining how all law is religious in nature, and you seemed to think that meant we could do without religion, and in context of the discussion, law. Or that’s what I got from your question.
Did you mean to ask, why we need religion outside of the law?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I was explaining how all law is religious in nature, and you seemed to think that meant we could do without religion, and in context of the discussion, law. Or that’s what I got from your question.
Did you mean to ask, why we need religion outside of the law?[/quote]
Law needs weight of force behind it, that is true. While in the past religion was perfectly suited for that job, it is no longer required for that service.
We have moved beyond superstition.
But I wish that was true, because we still haven’t moved beyond superstition.
If we could just wave religion goodbye, “Farewell Religion, thanks for everything!”, and move on that would be great.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I was explaining how all law is religious in nature, and you seemed to think that meant we could do without religion, and in context of the discussion, law. Or that’s what I got from your question.
Did you mean to ask, why we need religion outside of the law?[/quote]
Law needs weight of force behind it, that is true. While in the past religion was perfectly suited for that job, it is no longer required for that service.
We have moved beyond superstition.
But I wish that was true, because we still haven’t moved beyond superstition.
If we could just wave religion goodbye, “Farewell Religion, thanks for everything!”, and move on that would be great.
But that’s not going to happen, is it?[/quote]
No, law is always enforced, by physical force, past through present.
You aren’t seeing my point. Law is religion. Law is superstition. Getting rid of all religion would get rid of the law.
You don’t want religion gone, you just want everyone to share yours.