Typical bull shit. Now all I need is Barack Obama, with his extensive military experience, to come on TV and tell me women should be in combat roles.
We should check with the Israelis to see how it is working out for them.
From what I understand they have some pretty bad ass women in their defense force.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]CMdad wrote:
However, I think things would change quickly as soon as a significant number of female combat troops started being shipped home in bodybags. The general public seems to have a low tolerance for female war casualties. Cases in point are when the female soldier (Lynch? sorry I forget her name) was taken prisoner in Iraq and it became priority number one for the entire U.S. armed forces to recover her. Here in Canada, a few years ago, a female infantry Captain was KIA in Afghanistan when her FOB was overrun by Taliban.
The media coverage on it was tremendous as it was the first female Canadian combat death since WWII. There was a lot of hand-ringing and much “gnashing-of-teeth” by the Canadian population as to what a tragedy this was, despite the fact that by that time, I think close to 100 male Canadian soldiers had died in combat with very little coverage in Afghanistan. I think the military would quietly find ways to keep females out of combat to avoid such a public backlash.[/quote]
This is dumb.
The media attention is generated because there are so few women in combat. If it was normal, people wouldn’t take exception to it.
And please, lynch was given the same treatment any captured American soldier was. Why aren’t you making an issue about any number of rescue operations for male soldiers?
You dudes are pretty misguided, you think this is some product of a feminization of society or some shit, when really its just caused by dogmatic thinking towards women. Again, if it were normal for women to be apart of combat units, nobody would fucking pay attention. As it stands, a woman in an infantry unit is exceptional, so the media is going to treat it exceptionally.[/quote]
You were 11 years old when Jessica Lynch was captured, what do you know?
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
We should check with the Israelis to see how it is working out for them.
From what I understand they have some pretty bad ass women in their defense force.
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Jewbacca where you be at?
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
We should check with the Israelis to see how it is working out for them.
From what I understand they have some pretty bad ass women in their defense force.
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Their situation is a bit differnt, but you’re right it does work for them.
Vasquez could kick all our asses…so i’m all for it 
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
TBH normally its pretty rare empathize with feminists or the majority of their viewpoints, but a lot of the commentary in this thread suggests you think women are inferior people, thats kind of fucking weird tbh.The commentary isn’t that different from when white dudes were lamenting the dismissal of segregation in the army I bet. “darkies? In MY army? The negro man is inherently less intelligent, they will be a liability in any combat situation”
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I figured a response like yours was coming. I for one am not saying women are inferior. However, there are certain things men are better at. This is one of those things. Men are stronger, faster, etc… I’m not being a dick, it’s biology.
It’s always the same BS response. You just think women are inferior. It’s called science…
Your racisim claim is pretty laughable and not woth addressing further.
They can’t.
They will.
Women until recently have only serviced in secondary roles that may or may not involve them in combat. That is much different than their sole job being combat.
What does this rambling non-sense have to do with anything?
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People who make it to SF are exceptional. So are olympic athletes, but I don’t see any of you dudes outworking female olympians just because they have a vagina now are you? Honestly why would you fucking care that the opportunity is being given to women to try for SF selection?[/quote]
Get the fuck out of here dude, SF is not the Olympics.
I care, personally, because I am 100% sure standards will be lowered/women will be pushed through to make some politician look good, which will lead to unnecessary deaths. Unit cohesion will be affected, rape case will go up (most of them BS), and a myriad of other problems will occur.
Spend sometime in the military and then tell me I’m wrong. [/quote]
Let me break down your dumb shit for you in order:
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Yes on average, men are stronger than woman. But guess what: it’s a fucking moot point if a woman can do the SAME job to the SAME standard. Besides why arent you making gripes about the fact there are dudes who are stronger, faster and better athletes all around than other dudes? That what we have standards for. If they are met, nobody gives a shit.
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You dont know that they will lower the standards, you are just looking for an opportunity to bitch about feminization of society or some dumb shit,. Worry about it when and if they do.
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Its in response to a previous poster making gripes about fraternization. Yeah people fuck, people fuck a lot. They still do their jobs. Who gives a shit. Hmm sex strengthens bonds and relieves tensions, yeah god forbid we have our soldiers doing that.
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I didnt say it was. Its an example of exceptional selection however, so the comparison is fine in that regard. I guaran-fucking-tee there are a bunch of female olympians who could smash you in just about any athletic endeavor you choose, does this mean you shouldn’t be allow to try for SF selection or join the infantry? After all those chicks are stronger, faster and probably smarter than you.
How the fuck would unit cohesion be affected, why because its not a fucking boys club anymore? Give me a fucking break.
Yeah the incident of female rape cases would go up because there would be more total females in the military dumbass. I like how you also hand wave it away as “most of them BS” when you have no fucking clue on the specifics I would bet money on it.
I’ve got family and friends in combat units right now, two of them who I spoken to recently have been in Afghanistan and have actually been there with women in combat, neither of whom had anything bad to say besides my cousin who thought it was unfortunate that the women he encountered were all ugly. They all did their job to a T.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]CMdad wrote:
However, I think things would change quickly as soon as a significant number of female combat troops started being shipped home in bodybags. The general public seems to have a low tolerance for female war casualties. Cases in point are when the female soldier (Lynch? sorry I forget her name) was taken prisoner in Iraq and it became priority number one for the entire U.S. armed forces to recover her. Here in Canada, a few years ago, a female infantry Captain was KIA in Afghanistan when her FOB was overrun by Taliban.
The media coverage on it was tremendous as it was the first female Canadian combat death since WWII. There was a lot of hand-ringing and much “gnashing-of-teeth” by the Canadian population as to what a tragedy this was, despite the fact that by that time, I think close to 100 male Canadian soldiers had died in combat with very little coverage in Afghanistan. I think the military would quietly find ways to keep females out of combat to avoid such a public backlash.[/quote]
This is dumb.
The media attention is generated because there are so few women in combat. If it was normal, people wouldn’t take exception to it.
And please, lynch was given the same treatment any captured American soldier was. Why aren’t you making an issue about any number of rescue operations for male soldiers?
You dudes are pretty misguided, you think this is some product of a feminization of society or some shit, when really its just caused by dogmatic thinking towards women. Again, if it were normal for women to be apart of combat units, nobody would fucking pay attention. As it stands, a woman in an infantry unit is exceptional, so the media is going to treat it exceptionally.[/quote]
You were 11 years old when Jessica Lynch was captured, what do you know?[/quote]
I know this is called an ad hominem and its used when dudes don’t have an argument.
You weren’t even a fucking sperm when WW2 was on, does that mean you can’t comment on WW2? We record history for a reason. But GJ on reinforcing the notion you’re dumber than dry dog shit.
That rape thing brings up some interesting thoughts too.
Even if the actual vs. accused rape cases were minuscule, what is up with that? For people who hold honor and integrity in such high regard, where does rape fit in there? Is there no policing of their own ranks? No individual peer review?
You’d think that if a guy raped a fellow soldier that is held in high regard, he would probably be the recipient of friendly fire or some other unfortunate accident that could befall a person in such an environment.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Let me break down your dumb shit for you in order:
- Yes on average, men are stronger than woman. But guess what: it’s a fucking moot point if a woman can do the SAME job to the SAME standard.
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Again, they can’t. I take that back .0000001% can. I’ve seen it first hand.
Well, probably because this thread is about women in the special forces.
Again, the standards will be lowered/women will be pushed through as a PR stunt. Again, I’ve seen it first hand.
No, I’ve experienced it first hand.
No, spend some time in the military and you will understand why fraternization is an issue.
What is your point, that there are women in this world strong, faster, and smarter than me? Ahh ya, no shit. I gurantee you, if they were put in a combat environment for a year plus, with all that entails, they would degenerate far more than their male counter parts. Case and point the story I posted earlier about the Marine Lt.
I wouldn’t expect someone that hasn’t put a uniform on to understand.
Well you would be wrong, in my experience most of the rape case (not all) are total BS. I.E. the girl got upset at her “boyfriend” so she screamed rape, totally fucking his career and life. It’s cool though, I’ve only been involved in the briefing and beginning stages of mulitple incidents EXACLTY like this.
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I’ve got family and friends in combat units right now, two of them who I spoken to recently have been in Afghanistan and have actually been there with women in combat, neither of whom had anything bad to say besides my cousin who thought it was unfortunate that the women he encountered were all ugly. They all did their job to a T.[/quote]
Awesome, they are in supporting roles. They are not in the infantry.
I love how, my pov comes from experience, and yours comes from other people.
I also love how you can’t act like a big boy and argue your points with insulting me. Does it make you feel special to insult another grown man?
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]CMdad wrote:
However, I think things would change quickly as soon as a significant number of female combat troops started being shipped home in bodybags. The general public seems to have a low tolerance for female war casualties. Cases in point are when the female soldier (Lynch? sorry I forget her name) was taken prisoner in Iraq and it became priority number one for the entire U.S. armed forces to recover her. Here in Canada, a few years ago, a female infantry Captain was KIA in Afghanistan when her FOB was overrun by Taliban.
The media coverage on it was tremendous as it was the first female Canadian combat death since WWII. There was a lot of hand-ringing and much “gnashing-of-teeth” by the Canadian population as to what a tragedy this was, despite the fact that by that time, I think close to 100 male Canadian soldiers had died in combat with very little coverage in Afghanistan. I think the military would quietly find ways to keep females out of combat to avoid such a public backlash.[/quote]
This is dumb.
The media attention is generated because there are so few women in combat. If it was normal, people wouldn’t take exception to it.
And please, lynch was given the same treatment any captured American soldier was. Why aren’t you making an issue about any number of rescue operations for male soldiers?
You dudes are pretty misguided, you think this is some product of a feminization of society or some shit, when really its just caused by dogmatic thinking towards women. Again, if it were normal for women to be apart of combat units, nobody would fucking pay attention. As it stands, a woman in an infantry unit is exceptional, so the media is going to treat it exceptionally.[/quote]
You were 11 years old when Jessica Lynch was captured, what do you know?[/quote]
I know this is called an ad hominem and its used when dudes don’t have an argument.
You weren’t even a fucking sperm when WW2 was on, does that mean you can’t comment on WW2? We record history for a reason. But GJ on reinforcing the notion you’re dumber than dry dog shit.
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You specifically address the media coverage of Jessica Lynch. Something that happened when you were 11, I really doubt you were payin attention back then.
Has absolutely nothing to do with “history”
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
That rape thing brings up some interesting thoughts too.
Even if the actual vs. accused rape cases were minuscule, what is up with that? For people who hold honor and integrity in such high regard, where does rape fit in there? Is there no policing of their own ranks? No individual peer review?
You’d think that if a guy raped a fellow soldier that is held in high regard, he would probably be the recipient of friendly fire or some other unfortunate accident that could befall a person in such an environment.
[/quote]
It is absolutely abhorrent and should not be tolerated. However, like I told my new friend here, in many cases there is no rape.
I had a Sailor who banged this Marine out a few times and then moved on. Next thing I know he’s in handcuffs on rape charges. Everything he owns is searched, he’s put restriction, and ends up on suicide watch. A couple weeks later the girl admits she wasn’t raped just upset at him.
You should of seen this guy, looked like a shell of himself, totally fucked him up. He got out a couple months later, but not before he has to stand in formatio and watch this cunt, that tried to ruin his life, get promoted.
One of the commands I was at, if I remember correctly, 4 cases in 4 years exactly like this.
Did anything happen to the females, of course not.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]CMdad wrote:
However, I think things would change quickly as soon as a significant number of female combat troops started being shipped home in bodybags. The general public seems to have a low tolerance for female war casualties. Cases in point are when the female soldier (Lynch? sorry I forget her name) was taken prisoner in Iraq and it became priority number one for the entire U.S. armed forces to recover her. Here in Canada, a few years ago, a female infantry Captain was KIA in Afghanistan when her FOB was overrun by Taliban.
The media coverage on it was tremendous as it was the first female Canadian combat death since WWII. There was a lot of hand-ringing and much “gnashing-of-teeth” by the Canadian population as to what a tragedy this was, despite the fact that by that time, I think close to 100 male Canadian soldiers had died in combat with very little coverage in Afghanistan. I think the military would quietly find ways to keep females out of combat to avoid such a public backlash.[/quote]
This is dumb.
The media attention is generated because there are so few women in combat. If it was normal, people wouldn’t take exception to it.
And please, lynch was given the same treatment any captured American soldier was. Why aren’t you making an issue about any number of rescue operations for male soldiers?
You dudes are pretty misguided, you think this is some product of a feminization of society or some shit, when really its just caused by dogmatic thinking towards women. Again, if it were normal for women to be apart of combat units, nobody would fucking pay attention. As it stands, a woman in an infantry unit is exceptional, so the media is going to treat it exceptionally.[/quote]
You were 11 years old when Jessica Lynch was captured, what do you know?[/quote]
I know this is called an ad hominem and its used when dudes don’t have an argument.
You weren’t even a fucking sperm when WW2 was on, does that mean you can’t comment on WW2? We record history for a reason. But GJ on reinforcing the notion you’re dumber than dry dog shit.
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You specifically address the media coverage of Jessica Lynch. Something that happened when you were 11, I really doubt you were payin attention back then.
Has absolutely nothing to do with “history”
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History: The study of past events, particularly in human affairs.
You’d have to be dumb as a fucking rock not to consider it history.
so yes, it has everything to do with history. And fyi, events have more clarity after the fact than they did when they were current.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
That rape thing brings up some interesting thoughts too.
Even if the actual vs. accused rape cases were minuscule, what is up with that? For people who hold honor and integrity in such high regard, where does rape fit in there? Is there no policing of their own ranks? No individual peer review?
You’d think that if a guy raped a fellow soldier that is held in high regard, he would probably be the recipient of friendly fire or some other unfortunate accident that could befall a person in such an environment.
[/quote]
It is absolutely abhorrent and should not be tolerated. However, like I told my new friend here, in many cases there is no rape.
I had a Sailor who banged this Marine out a few times and then moved on. Next thing I know he’s in handcuffs on rape charges. Everything he owns is searched, he’s put restriction, and ends up on suicide watch. A couple weeks later the girl admits she wasn’t raped just upset at him.
You should of seen this guy, looked like a shell of himself, totally fucked him up. He got out a couple months later, but not before he has to stand in formatio and watch this cunt, that tried to ruin his life, get promoted.
One of the commands I was at, if I remember correctly, 4 cases in 4 years exactly like this.
Did anything happen to the females, of course not. [/quote]
That is truly unfortunate, both for the guys falsely accused and the legitimate claims, but it is just uncanny how this comes up every time there is talk of expansion of womens roles in the military.
I like how Aussie Davo gave me no response.
Actually I was disappointed 
Well that’s okay. A good man knows his limits.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
History: The study of past events, particularly in human affairs.
You’d have to be dumb as a fucking rock not to consider it history.
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You cannot possibly know how the media covered the event WHEN IT OCCURRED, via a history book or worse wikapedia.
This statement is not 100% true and clarity of events has nothing to do AT ALL with media coverage AT THE TIME OF THE EVENT. Which you said was not increase for Jessica Lynch because she’s a women. Again, I seriously doubt you remember.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
That rape thing brings up some interesting thoughts too.
Even if the actual vs. accused rape cases were minuscule, what is up with that? For people who hold honor and integrity in such high regard, where does rape fit in there? Is there no policing of their own ranks? No individual peer review?
You’d think that if a guy raped a fellow soldier that is held in high regard, he would probably be the recipient of friendly fire or some other unfortunate accident that could befall a person in such an environment.
[/quote]
It is absolutely abhorrent and should not be tolerated. However, like I told my new friend here, in many cases there is no rape.
I had a Sailor who banged this Marine out a few times and then moved on. Next thing I know he’s in handcuffs on rape charges. Everything he owns is searched, he’s put restriction, and ends up on suicide watch. A couple weeks later the girl admits she wasn’t raped just upset at him.
You should of seen this guy, looked like a shell of himself, totally fucked him up. He got out a couple months later, but not before he has to stand in formatio and watch this cunt, that tried to ruin his life, get promoted.
One of the commands I was at, if I remember correctly, 4 cases in 4 years exactly like this.
Did anything happen to the females, of course not. [/quote]
That is truly unfortunate, both for the guys falsely accused and the legitimate claims, but it is just uncanny how this comes up every time there is talk of expansion of womens roles in the military.
[/quote]
I agree, it’s a damn shame.
[quote]csulli wrote:
I like how Aussie Davo gave me no response.
Actually I was disappointed
Well that’s okay. A good man knows his limits.[/quote]
I guess he ran out of insults. You can only call someone, “dumb,” so many times.
Still lmao at Women not in SF = militray segregation.
Also still LMFAO at Women Olympian = Women SF…
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Still lmao at Women not in SF = militray segregation.
Also still LMFAO at Women Olympian = Women SF…[/quote]
Now that is hilarious too me. People who haven’t served truly don’t understand. Being in a combat mos I have a much closer understanding then just a regular Joe. Also I have been on a mission to support German Special Forces so I have a firm grasp on what Special Forces does.