[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
That is what I said on the first page…
OctoberGirl wrote:
some folks are just lousy leaders
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As a general rule, I don’t read posts written by women…
i have had male and female supervisors…being an ass and a bad manager crosses genders
people are just dicks sometimes
i have had female customers and co-workers/supervisors who give you the little eye bat and wink like you two are gonna make the sex if you do something for her…it never works…they don’t get special treatment cuz at the store, i am the man, and not a hopeful kid who has seen too many movies
my favorite is probably the male bosses i have had, because i am a big guy but am only 5’9", so most of my bosses have been taller than me, and when they talk to me they have to get right up on me and try to tower over me and look down to me
bad managers are everywhere…just remember, everyone has a boss…if she is fucking up things for the store, be a rat, report her, and get her the fuck out…then call me and tell me where yall work cuz i am currently seeking a change in employment
[quote]Vash wrote:
Who I voted for (wrote myself in again, all offices)[/quote]
Pure. Genius. Vash FTW.
Basically, what everyone said, bosses can be good and bad, regardless of gender. Most of my work experience is retail (specifically department store retail), and working with 100+ women can be interesting. I think women in the work place is great, and 99 percent of the women I’ve worked with have been great to work with, but like any job, you’ll have exceptions.
It seems like a toxic environment you work in, maybe it’s time to switch jobs and pursue a different line of work or a different location. I hope everything gets worked out soon.
[quote]miroku333 wrote:
some people are not good leaders, gender isn’t specific to this.[/quote]
best post.
I am biased, but I believe my wife is an excellent manager.
Fourteen years of outstanding reviews and upon her bosses retirement he told her she was the best manager he ever had working for him.
With that said, I have shitty managers male and female. Most people are not cut out for leadership.
Of course I couldn’t work for her and I sometimes have to remind her she is not at the office.
i have a job where im one of three guys that work there one is a manager. well, theres 3 male bartenders but i dont work them directly really. and the kitchen is all males too…ok so maybe this is turning out to be a bad example?
i dont mind it. it sucks because none of the girls are really hot. and the only girl who’s kinda hot isnt really hot shes just better looking than the rest of the girls.
when i worked retail though all the female managers were bitches except one, but everyone in retail sucks now dont they?
i dont think your problem is one found in all women cause ive worked with some cool ones but more i think your problem has to do with this lady is just a bitch. everywhere you work theres gonna be someone who gets on your nerves, its the way of the world.
Although I do recall a woman telling me that women bosses in the corporate world were worse than men. She said somehting along the lines of “yes, we’re complex creatures and you have to figure out what we want, and what we mean. It’s much more clear with male managers.”
So if it’s sexist at least hte sexism isnt confined to one gender
women managers are going to be bitches because what kind of jobs have managers to start with?
im not talking about managing an agent, i mean like managing a retail store. yea its pretty lame stressful shit.
also im pretty sure any girl who isnt being rewarded on looks is gonna be bitchy to start with. i think hot girls are just nicer.
I agree with shitty managers being just that: shitty managers.
But, I sympathize with Vash on one thing…
Every female boss I have had has been a bully, and not just to me and not just to male colleagues but female ones as well.
I think of all manager-bullying incidents, there is probably a higher percentage of it coming from female managers and I am not sure why. I have talked to quite a few females who agree with me on this; I’m not saying that women are necessarily BAD managers, but that they are more likely to bully (and, in my experience, micromanage). For that reason, as has been MY experience, I prefer to work for a man.
I will say, though, that the best boss I ever had WAS a woman. Ironically, by her own admission, it’s because she “manages like a man.” Not quite sure what that means or what she meant, but clearly even she saw a difference between her style of management and her partner’s, another female attorney.
My issue with female bosses is also that I can’t tell when or why they turn on me, and it they turn on me then become friendly and repeat. With male bosses, I know from pretty much Day One if they are assholes. Female bosses? I can’t ever tell, so when they turn it comes across as personal and premeditated. Not saying that it is, but that’s how it comes across for sure.
I’m torn on this as I think there needs to be females in management. My experience working for them has not been positive, though.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Although I do recall a woman telling me that women bosses in the corporate world were worse than men. She said somehting along the lines of “yes, we’re complex creatures and you have to figure out what we want, and what we mean. It’s much more clear with male managers.”
So if it’s sexist at least hte sexism isnt confined to one gender[/quote]
Which also sounds like a bullshit alibi to save face for being a shitty communicator, aka not trying to bend your methods of or language of communication to understand those you are managing. It is an excuse to save face for this fact, “We’re just different. We communicate differently.”
Bullshit. Even members of the same gender communicate and learn differently; it is a personality thing, not a gender thing, and a good communicator recognizes this as early as possible, adjusts their approach, and gets their point across.
I’m in government, and I have to say that I don’t share your experience. The top three execs of my agency are women, and they are competent managers.
The worst manager I know is a man.
But, I did work in the retail industry while in university. I have to say I encountered more incompetence in the retail/sales world than I did in government. Sounds surprising, but its true. People here generally know their shit and don’t make a mess of things.
Could be just the nature of the beast, retail/sales can be a lot of pressure. People who don’t handle pressure well, regardless of their gender, will not be a good manager in those industries.
Now, does a particular gender respond better to pressure? I don’t know, and maybe that’s another thread…
[quote]oneils wrote:
I’m in government, and I have to say that I don’t share your experience. The top three execs of my agency are women, and they are competent managers.
The worst manager I know is a man.
But, I did work in the retail industry while in university. I have to say I encountered more incompetence in the retail/sales world than I did in government. Sounds surprising, but its true. People here generally know their shit and don’t make a mess of things.
Could be just the nature of the beast, retail/sales can be a lot of pressure. People who don’t handle pressure well, regardless of their gender, will not be a good manager in those industries.
Now, does a particular gender respond better to pressure? I don’t know, and maybe that’s another thread…[/quote]
could be the nature that most people who manage a Walkgreens for their career are fuckwits to start
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Although I do recall a woman telling me that women bosses in the corporate world were worse than men. She said somehting along the lines of “yes, we’re complex creatures and you have to figure out what we want, and what we mean. It’s much more clear with male managers.”
So if it’s sexist at least hte sexism isnt confined to one gender
Which also sounds like a bullshit alibi to save face for being a shitty communicator, aka not trying to bend your methods of or language of communication to understand those you are managing. It is an excuse to save face for this fact, “We’re just different. We communicate differently.”
Bullshit. Even members of the same gender communicate and learn differently; it is a personality thing, not a gender thing, and a good communicator recognizes this as early as possible, adjusts their approach, and gets their point across.
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True, and a real manager finds ways of communicating to their co-workers, and makes communication better, instead of the oppposite.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
-Tiberius- wrote:
god dammit where are the pictures
I am coming for you[/quote]
HOT
[quote]Makavali wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
I am cuming for you
HOT[/quote]
I read things differently than others…
men are frustrating
Everything you need to know about ‘women in the workplace’
http://www.hulu.com/watch/5560/family-guy-women-in-the-workplace
(I hope it plays for you, it didn’t for me 'cause I’m outside the US)
Live’s new avatar is great.
Women are NOT supposed to be in charge; that’s for men (men have the testosterone, injected and otherwise 
Women can do most jobs like medicine, teaching, writing, and so on. But nature really made them to support their male and raise the children.
Putting a woman in charge is unnatural.
My boss is 2nd highest ranking chick in a company with about 14,000 employees. She’s the same age as me, a soccer mom, incredibly smart, and pretty damn good looking. I have been on her bad side and her good side. It’s much better to be on her good side.
Sounds like the OP’s boss is a nutcase, not all chick bosses are nutcases.
[quote]Vash wrote:
Fuck that.
Hear me out.
I’ve yet to be employed at a business which, having a female manager or female in an authoritative position, did not suffer from the “My Dick is Bigger Than Yours” shenanigans.
My current boss, for example. Works a good third of a given shift (the store has three people, including her) half of the time, other half calls in. Constantly complaining about personal problems, proclaiming how good at sales she is, her abilities as a manager, her education, etc. [The Education/IQ thing seems to be a sore spot for her. In the six months since I’ve worked with her, I’ve not had a week where she didn’t mention her degree, her IQ, or her husband’s IQ.] She also holds the belief that the louder and faster she speaks, the more correct/powerful she is.
Most of my previous female bosses have been the same.
Today was a particularly nasty experience. Constant yelling about who I voted for (wrote myself in again, all offices), how much southern people suck with their lack of education [two degrees in different fields], morals [okay, lacking here, but still], work ethic [I’ve been to work late twice since I was 16], and our Cajun heritage is a drain on society [half Cajun].
She also complains of racial stereotyping, profiling, and general negative behavior towards her based on her heritage [Jewish].
I’m trying to be nice. Well, I was. Since it is against company policy to give a write-up for anything involving not opening the store on time [including missing money, customer complaints, showing up to work drunk and throwing up on the sales floor, having sex on the sales floor, etc - all at this location] , I’m becoming very tempted to go ape-shit . . . well, be myself.
Damn, off on a tangent.
Question: should women be allowed to work in the same areas as men? I obviously vote no.
Any woman [excuse me, T-Woman] offended by this: ain’t that a bitch?[/quote]
Tell her you’re not impressed with her education and that there’s nothing even mildly remarkable about her.