[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Before I was skeptical but lately I can’t help but feel there is a growing but subtle anti male sentiment in a lot of changes being made to schooling and early social programming.[/quote]
It’s really more about being anti-masculine. That is, the traits we associate with males like ambition, competitiveness, assertiveness, creativity, self-reliance, and more, are discouraged. My wife is studying to become a teacher and she said that what they are noticing with kids and even in adults in their 20s is that you have to tell them everything and they will only do as much as you tell them. So, if you tell a kid to bring you a box they will ask how. If you say walk over and pick it up and carry it over they will ask how. If you give them detailed written instructions but leave out one minor detail they won’t be able to figure it out on their own. If you give them a task that has more than one step or element but you don’t specify each element because you assume they are obvious, they won’t complete the whole task. Taking the initiative is a foreign concept.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
It’s really more about being anti-masculine. That is, the traits we associate with males like ambition, competitiveness, assertiveness, creativity, self-reliance, and more, are discouraged. My wife is studying to become a teacher and she said that what they are noticing with kids and even in adults in their 20s is that you have to tell them everything and they will only do as much as you tell them.[/quote]
…I’m kinda like that lol. I’m 25, and I can tell you exactly what school taught me. That I didn’t have to work hard and that I could not only “get by” with doing just what was required but that I would be rewarded with perfect scores for it.
At the risk of sounding pretentious, I was a naturally very smart kid, and public school ruins smart kids in my opinion. It was all so standardized and formulaic and came very easily to me; I never had to try. Even in college for crying out loud it was pretty much just as bad. I went to every class in my major religiously (because I liked it), but if it was just some random class required by the curriculum then I’d go on the first day, on the mid term, and on the final. The rest of the time I’d be drinking and playing video games. And they would still give me A’s and B’s.
Then I got to the real world and surprise of surprises I found it extremely difficult to actually just work! I never developed any fucking work ethic, and so here I am out of college a smart, lazy bastard! What use is that to anyone? Hard work can trump just intelligence any day of the week and twice on Sunday. At least my dad tried to teach me this.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Then I got to the real world and surprise of surprises I found it extremely difficult to actually just work! I never developed any fucking work ethic, and so here I am out of college a smart, lazy bastard! What use is that to anyone? Hard work can trump just intelligence any day of the week and twice on Sunday. At least my dad tried to teach me this.[/quote]
This is a serious problem our entire generation faces.
Im glad my parents instilled a work ethic into me, I see this all the time with people just barely getting by because thats what they were taught. Ive been complimented by employers for just being able to stay on task. I would hope that should be pretty normal but its not.
In Basic Training there were young privates who complained about having to do things like push ups. As if they thought they weren’t going to have to do them before they went in. I mean, it’s the Army. Then they complained to the 1st Sgt about all of the yelling. They wanted to know why the DS’s couldn’t correct us with positive reinforcement. Also, the DS’s weren’t supposed to swear or make any personal insults.
I heard that at Fort Jackson they used to hand out stress cards. I don’t know if they still do.
Also, it was coed where I was and I know that had something to do with it because we had a few soldiers who did Basic with the infantry (no females) and then joined us when we started AIT and they hated it because they thought it was too relaxed and the females were whiny pains in the ass.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
In Basic Training there were young privates who complained about having to do things like push ups. As if they thought they weren’t going to have to do them before they went in. I mean, it’s the Army. Then they complained to the 1st Sgt about all of the yelling. They wanted to know why the DS’s couldn’t correct us with positive reinforcement. Also, the DS’s weren’t supposed to swear or make any personal insults.
I heard that at Fort Jackson they used to hand out stress cards. I don’t know if they still do.
Also, it was coed where I was and I know that had something to do with it because we had a few soldiers who did Basic with the infantry (no females) and then joined us when we started AIT and they hated it because they thought it was too relaxed and the females were whiny pains in the ass. [/quote]
Oh the Army, lol…
It’s funny because people were complaining about how tough it was and I thought it was too easy. The hardest part was being away from my wife, kid and dog but if I had been single I could have stayed and done it all over again. This was soon after the war in Iraq had started going badly so recruiters were taking anyone with a pulse. They had waivers for everything.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
It’s funny because people were complaining about how tough it was and I thought it was too easy. The hardest part was being away from my wife, kid and dog but if I had been single I could have stayed and done it all over again. This was soon after the war in Iraq had started going badly so recruiters were taking anyone with a pulse. They had waivers for everything. [/quote]
The Corps. isn’t a whole lot different in this regard.