Hey guys, I need some help from the vets. Two weeks ago I started my first cycle, EQ @ 400mg a week + 26mg Stanozolol divided into two doses (one when I wake up with my first meal, the other at noon before I train.)
The whole reason I chose to use these two is I want clean gains without estrogenic bloat. I also was very cautious (as you can tell by my dosages) due to the fact that I can be sensitive to steroids ( I had to use them as a kid.) Well, the good news is after 2 weeks I have neither turned into an acne experiment ( i actually have clearer skin) and I can definitely notice strength increases.
The downside is that this Stanozolol is literally driving me crazy. I pulled a shoulder out of socket in '02 and it seems every single joint problem I’ve ever had is coming back to haunt me. I toss and turn at night and can’t sleep cause my shoulders have dull pain and I am constantly stretching all day to no avail.
Does anyone have any advice they can give me? Do I just stop being a puss and tough it out with some aspirin? Can I replace the Win with something else? What would you do if you were me? I am open to any and all suggestions and suggestions… even if they’re like “you fag, you should have just started with Test and you wouldn’t have this problem!”
You could easily use som primabolan tabs instead.
But how can you be so sure that the joint pain you are experiating is due to the winstrol?
Could it not be sore delts from the gains you hopefully have had during your cycle…
The winstrol is definately the cause of your joint problems. I would double up on Glucosamine, about 3-4 grams a day, and MSM, 1g a day for the next 4 months. Another thing thats good for joint problems is Deca. Even a small dose of 200-300mg / week can have a positive effect on joints, but you need to have some testo runnin with it.
I think most of the people who have been lifting any substantial amount of time develop some kind of shoulder issues it seems. I would assume this pain could be entirely due to the workouts if I didn’t know my own body so well.
I’ve been bodybuilding for 8 years now and know that the shoulder pain is really being exacerbated by something. I get deep tissue massage at least 1 time a week to break down scar tissue as well.
I’m thinking I will just grit my teeth and try to bare it for the next few weeks since I already made the investment… but I will never use Winstrol again.
Thanks for the advice on the glucosamine. Deca is pretty much pointless though since I’m already using EQ.
Part of me wishes I’d done a short cycle like Bill is recommending and gone with Tren and oxymethodone from the beginning, but I just couldn’t bring myself to do it because I was afraid of side effects.
As far as the EQ goes I really feel like I’ve taken to it like a fish to water. Strength is up, appetite is up, 10 lb gain in 2 weeks (mostly quality weight).
Would anybody recommend dropping the winstrol after 6 weeks and then running Tren 75mg EOD for the last 4 weeks of this 15 week cycle? Some will probably say I should have started with Dbol in that case but again, I’m trying to stay away from the test varieties for now.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I would stop the winstrol NOW. I mean your joints are important to you no? LOL.[/quote]
haha! Thanks for showing me the line between “hardcore” and “stupidity.”
[quote]H-Train wrote:
Would anybody recommend dropping the winstrol after 6 weeks and then running Tren 75mg EOD for the last 4 weeks of this 15 week cycle?[/quote]
EQ and tren are both class I steroids; I don’t think that would be the best approach. Seems you would want to replace the winstrol with another class II compound that’s easier on your joints, or just run the EQ by itself.
Winstrol gives me no pain except for during cardio my knees then start to ache. Masteron is similar to Winstrol but gives zero pain anytime during cycle or after. Check into it. Also if the pain is that bad then I’d abort it.
I will bump Eman’s advice on the masteron as a good replacement. I have run it and had no problems at all except that sometimes my muscles would get really tight and constantly needed stretching.
I will bump Eman’s advice on the masteron as a good replacement. I have run it and had no problems at all except that sometimes my muscles would get really tight and constantly needed stretching.[/quote]
The only thing is I still want to gain, just clean gains. From what i’ve read masteron is NOT for people wanting to add any form of mass at all. If I were to compete one day I would look into masteron, but I don’t want that “finished look” yet, mainly because my body is nowhere near that level in my opinion. Those facts alone have kept me away from it, that and it’s the most hardcore DHT when it comes to side effects. si o no?
I went to the vitamin store and got this joint formula that contains “Chondroitin” as the main ingredient. I’ve taken 4 dosages now over these last two days and I can honestly say my pain has gone from about a 7 on a 1-10 to a 2 or 3 now. Maybe it’s in my head and I’d say the same thing if you gave me birth control pills and a tequila shot, but I’m impressed with the stuff. It definitely can’t hurt for anyone taking or considering taking stanozolol.
Both are 17-aa but from what I’ve read anavar is quite a bit less hepatoxic.
Winstrol definitely makes your joints brittle (it fucks up mine and I’ve seen plenty of guys with injuries either during a cycle or after a wintsrol cycle).
Anavar (along with deca, eq, and primo) help strengthen your connective tissue and are good to speed/prevent injuries in that area.
Winstrol (imo) is harder on the hairline than anavar.
Winstrol has a pretty nasty affect on your lipid panels compared to anavar.
I fucked up my knee using winny. I toughed it out. I am still hurting 4 months later. Don’t tough it out. I’ve not been able to squat or do anything but pull a sled since. It sucks!!!
