I am going to take a cycle but i had some questions before i do. Can i take winstrol and anavar at the same time? I was thinking about 20 mg of anavar and 50 mg of winnie ed. i know your not supposed to take 2 orals at once but i thought maybe cause these are milder steroids it might be different. Any info would be great. Thanks
whoever told you you could not take two orals at the same time is certainly full of it! 6- to 8 weeks of orals is not going to leave you on a liver transplant recipient list! Especially with the dosages you are proposing. Winstrol and Anavar are a good combo. My Wife actually has gotten great results off this combo, actually taking 20mg of anavar and 50mg of Winstrol per day for 6 weeks. She weighs 115 lbs, The dose I myself would take would be 75-100 mg of winstrol oral, and 40-60 mg of Anavar oral per day.
Anavar = class 1 and good for the joints and tendons - collagen synthesis which offset the negative sides of Winstrol.
Winstrol = class 2 steroid
Great combo.
I recomend adding proviron (40-50mg/day)to this combo to add a DHT component to this stack - Proviron is methylated DHT and is not liver toxic
And this is one heck of a good all oral cycle. (also very minimally supressive to the htpa)
Thanks man. I can bump up the winstrol and do you think I should bump up the anavar too? I’m also taking 500 mg of deca and if I can get more primos I’ll take 400mg of that a week. What do you think? should I take more?
There’s another thing I should have put in my first post. The last 2 times I’ve done winnie I have had a wierd feeling in my mid section directly under my ribcage. When I had the feeling ( I cant quite call it a pain) I had my liver checked and my enzymes were high but not alarming my doctor says. The bad thing is that my doctor knows nothing about steroids. At the time when I had the test done I was taking 100mg of win ed. I wonder if this feeling is because of the winstrol and if it is what is it? This is the reason I posted in the first place because I was worried aboutliver damage. Have you ever heard anything like this before? P22 said in a earlier post he was a nurse, any input ? Thanks
prisonner22-
you said, “…Proviron is methylated DHT and is not liver toxic”. isn’t the reason any methylated drug is closely watched is because they can be hard on the liver?
also, maybe you can help me with this. i’m cycling M1T 2 weeks on/2 weeks off as recommended. why are real methylated roids like winny and anavar okay at 6-8 weeks, but M1T is said to possibly be liver toxic after only 2-4 weeks??? or, is it thought to be too suppressive for 6-8 week cycles?
thanks!
TopSirloin
[quote]sunburst45 wrote:
There’s another thing I should have put in my first post. The last 2 times I’ve done winnie I have had a wierd feeling in my mid section directly under my ribcage. When I had the feeling ( I cant quite call it a pain) I had my liver checked and my enzymes were high but not alarming my doctor says. The bad thing is that my doctor knows nothing about steroids. At the time when I had the test done I was taking 100mg of win ed. I wonder if this feeling is because of the winstrol and if it is what is it? This is the reason I posted in the first place because I was worried aboutliver damage. Have you ever heard anything like this before? P22 said in a earlier post he was a nurse, any input ? Thanks[/quote]
An increase in Liver enzymes does not necessarily mean liver damage. In this case it is only an indication that your liver is working hard to detoxify those drugs, not that it is damaged. The liver is the most resilient organ in your body.
[quote]TopSirloin wrote:
prisonner22-
you said, “…Proviron is methylated DHT and is not liver toxic”. isn’t the reason any methylated drug is closely watched is because they can be hard on the liver?
also, maybe you can help me with this. i’m cycling M1T 2 weeks on/2 weeks off as recommended. why are real methylated roids like winny and anavar okay at 6-8 weeks, but M1T is said to possibly be liver toxic after only 2-4 weeks??? or, is it thought to be too suppressive for 6-8 week cycles?
thanks!
TopSirloin[/quote]
Winstrol and Anavar are not methylated compounds. They are 17- Alpha alkalated. As for Methyl groups, my knowledge of methly-1 test is not great - (only that it is very toxic), as in Canada it has never been legal as a prohormone so I never had any motivation to research it. What I do know is that there are many drugs that use methyl groups that are taken regularly e.g: off the top of my head - methyldopa - none of these drugs are overly liver toxic, and neither is proviron. So I have to deduce that it is not actually the Methly group that is responsible for causing this drug’s toxiciy. I could however be wrong!
proviron is methylated at the 1-alpha-position. the modifications to the A ring around the 1 and 2 carbons usually do not result in a stress on the body. the other methylated compounds are 17-alpha-methyl groups (Norethandrolone has an ethyl group - 2 carbons). this includes anavar, winny, dbol, oxymetholone, methyl-1-test, M4OHN, as well as some other hormone products that are legally available in the US (although they are illegal because they are 17aa, but this seems to be ignored). the 17aa modification changes the whole structure of 4 rings in the steroid molecule. this is due to steric constraints and they are different than their non-17aa counterparts. for example boldenone is the non-17aa version of dbol and it works well as an anabolic but differently, more bloat with dbol - not just bloat, but in the muscles too. there are some reports or case studies with liver failure or elevated liver values. while it is true that elevated liver values are not indicative of liver damage, over an extended peroid liver damage will occur. usually it is expected that 6 weeks is not too unsafe if you are healthy. BUT…if your liver is already damaged from life, it happens, or you have some weak genes, then it could be very bad to use 17aa, it really depends. the smart thing to do would be to get a blood test and make sure all the criteria that were listed in an old cy wilson article are checked. this would be a good baseline. ideally you would get blood drawn biweekly, but that is not so practical. the other option is to use the orals for 2 weeks at the beginning and end of cycles along with injectibles to keep a steady level right from day one to the finish and then quickly clearing the body so natural production can be started.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE PAIN MAY BE IN MY MIDSECTION? HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ANYONE WITH PAIN IN THIS AREA WHEN TAKING WINSTROL? I KNOW FORSURE THAT IT IS FROM THE WINSTROL BECAUSE IV’E ONLY EXPERIENCED IT WHILE ON IT. I’M GOING TO THE DOCTOR TO PLAY IT SAFE BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU GUYS HAVE EVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
if it is at the front right around the bottom area of the ribs it could well be your liver. do you have any lifestyle factors such as drinking, drugs, shitty diet, tylenol, advil etc. also any family history of liver problems may indicate that you also have a problem with your liver. that being said, there can be many other things. my advice would be to stay away from 17aa, tren or really high doses of any androgen until you have competent medical advice as to your condition, nothing can replace going to the doctor.