[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< I look at the tide of moderates and independents, and the tide is that statistically that Obama lost independents a long time ago and that loss has deepened as we have gotten closer to the election. Also, anecdotally, I look at people/institutions who have flipped from Obama in 2008 to Romney in 2012. A lot of moderates have turned on Obama, and when they explain why, it is very compelling, and I think those sentiments resonate with a lot of people who plan on voting. >>>[/quote]There is a really great point here. Where are the McCain voters who are saying “dang I wish I woulda voted for Obama”. There are large numbers, especially in the middle who feel they were conned in 08 (because they were ,though their own fault) and have abandoned the president. There are also some on the far left who don’t think he’s been left ENOUGH.
The youth vote looks to be much smaller this time too due to seriously diminished enthusiasm (thank God), but where are the ones who have JOINED Obama in the last 4 years? He’s lost many and gained none from anywhere else. If that translates into the actual polls tomorrow it should be a solid Romney win.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
The youth vote looks to be much smaller this time too due to seriously diminished enthusiasm (thank God), but where are the ones who have JOINED Obama in the last 4 years? He’s lost many and gained none from anywhere else. If that translates into the actual polls tomorrow it should be a solid Romney win.
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re: Youth vote.
I live in a pretty Blue area in a solidly blue state. I get to interact with a lot of college age 20 somethings at the gyms I go to. My lifting partners are in their 20’s, and I tangentially get to ‘hang out’ with their buddies in the gym or if I see them out and about. Guys and young women, btw.
I’ve known these kids for several years now, seen them graduate HS and college. They are overwhelmingly turning ‘conservative minded’, at least fiscally, as they are getting older and seeing that they will be now paying for all this shit they were enthusiastic about 4 years ago while not seeing much opportunity on the horizon. They are politically minded and refreshingly somewhat educated on issues (moreso than most older adults I know).
It’s anecdotal, and probably statistically insignificant, but at the same time, it’s a telling attitude of a group of young voters who don’t give a shit about who or what you sleep with or what you smoke or inject into your body, but don’t want to pay for a bunch of government stuff, either.
Anyone just watch Chris Berman interview Romney and Bam during MNF football halftime?
I give the nod to Bam for better performance.
Romney’s answer regarding the #1 problem in sports being PED’s was very unimpressive.
Having said all that, Berman’s questions varied between the candidates. He could’ve done a better job in that regard.[/quote]
I didn’t see Obama’s response, but I thought Romney swung and missed. Not catastrophically,as this won’t have any effect whatsoever, but I thought he should have had something more light-hearted in place rather than a furrowed brow “this is a serious problem we need to fix” approach.
He should have made a joke, and then said something like he would like to see a luxury tax or similar in MLB to help with parity.
Although, with the Lance Armstrong debacle, it is more timely.
I live in a pretty Blue area in a solidly blue state. I get to interact with a lot of college age 20 somethings at the gyms I go to. My lifting partners are in their 20’s, and I tangentially get to ‘hang out’ with their buddies in the gym or if I see them out and about. Guys and young women, btw.
I’ve known these kids for several years now, seen them graduate HS and college. They are overwhelmingly turning ‘conservative minded’, at least fiscally, as they are getting older and seeing that they will be now paying for all this shit they were enthusiastic about 4 years ago while not seeing much opportunity on the horizon. They are politically minded and refreshingly somewhat educated on issues (moreso than most older adults I know).
It’s anecdotal, and probably statistically insignificant, but at the same time, it’s a telling attitude of a group of young voters who don’t give a shit about who or what you sleep with or what you smoke or inject into your body, but don’t want to pay for a bunch of government stuff, either.[/quote]
You know, I think your experience is widespread and this has broader meaning. If the past 4 years taught us anything, it’s that the grand design of the “welfare state” is built on the labors and income of young people. They are waking up to this fact, thanks largely to the cold splash of water to the face of the Obama administration.
Young people are fickle, but they’ve learned now that they have been targeted to become the beasts of burden that pull the wagon of the entitlement state - and they don’t appear to be happy about it.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
The youth vote looks to be much smaller this time too due to seriously diminished enthusiasm (thank God), but where are the ones who have JOINED Obama in the last 4 years? He’s lost many and gained none from anywhere else. If that translates into the actual polls tomorrow it should be a solid Romney win.
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re: Youth vote.
I live in a pretty Blue area in a solidly blue state. I get to interact with a lot of college age 20 somethings at the gyms I go to. My lifting partners are in their 20’s, and I tangentially get to ‘hang out’ with their buddies in the gym or if I see them out and about. Guys and young women, btw.
I’ve known these kids for several years now, seen them graduate HS and college. They are overwhelmingly turning ‘conservative minded’, at least fiscally, as they are getting older and seeing that they will be now paying for all this shit they were enthusiastic about 4 years ago while not seeing much opportunity on the horizon. They are politically minded and refreshingly somewhat educated on issues (moreso than most older adults I know).
It’s anecdotal, and probably statistically insignificant, but at the same time, it’s a telling attitude of a group of young voters who don’t give a shit about who or what you sleep with or what you smoke or inject into your body, but don’t want to pay for a bunch of government stuff, either.[/quote]
The youth vote here is also not as enthusiastic, and some of our younger people are being openly bribed by our governor.
I am looking forward to the 2nd most watched election today, on the ballot is to raise California taxes by the largest margin in US history, and it’s polling horribly, even among the youth vote.
I saw both men (President Obama and Romney) on TV last night. For both, it was one of their last campaign stops.
They both looked and sounded like they had just come out of a Fire Fight.
Personally I give kudos to BOTH men. Irrespective of what you may think of each man; and irrespective of the eventual outcome…I think they both gave it their all.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Polls were packed in MA… And if the people around me were any indication this may be a long night for POTUS.[/quote]
Same by my way sadly I feel it was for the current admin.where are you beans?
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Lowell suburbs.
EDIT: If you listen to 96.9 in the morning, MA might be tighter than we all think.
Dude in front of me was giddy and like “imagine if Romney took MA? How awesome would that be. He did it before.” Dude was in his 60’s and like a kid on Christmas. I saw a woman and her daughter putting their ballots in the box, one R and one O. My area has Brown signs 4-1 over Warren…
I am pumped right now. Win or lose, Romney put up a good fight and gave me hope for America’s future.
From my facebook and good friend of mine: “I’ve never voted before and I’m going to today. This country is in shambles and my 2 year old is already in debt.”
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Polls were packed in MA… And if the people around me were any indication this may be a long night for POTUS.[/quote]
Same by my way sadly I feel it was for the current admin.where are you beans?
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Lowell suburbs.
EDIT: If you listen to 96.9 in the morning, MA might be tighter than we all think.
Dude in front of me was giddy and like “imagine if Romney took MA? How awesome would that be. He did it before.” Dude was in his 60’s and like a kid on Christmas. I saw a woman and her daughter putting their ballots in the box, one R and one O. My area has Brown signs 4-1 over Warren…
I am pumped right now. Win or lose, Romney put up a good fight and gave me hope for America’s future.
From my facebook and good friend of mine: “I’ve never voted before and I’m going to today. This country is in shambles and my 2 year old is already in debt.”
America will prevail. Of this I’m sure.[/quote]
Stopped listening to them when they got rid of Jay they went too liveral Broudy is such a douche and Margery well I have stories about her she’s a Tuesday. I listen to 680am since 1200am went comedy