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[quote]CornSprint wrote:

I also agree with ZEB’s sentiment about not tearing apart predictions unless you make your own. Heck, I don’t plan on criticizing anybody’s-at this point, margin of error makes pretty much all picks reasonable.[/quote]

This.

I haven’t seen a prediction around here yet that I don’t stop and think: “yeah, that could happen.”

Unless somebody says Obama’s gonna win Alabama or Romney might take Hawaii, I don’t think there’s a lot of room for real criticism here. There are so many mixed signals in the polls, etc.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

my my my…

Please god let this and Rasmussen be right.

Please let Wisconsin go red as well. Let the flood gates open and please for the love of anything holy let Romney, if elected, be a good flippin president. For my daughter’s sake.[/quote]

Eh Axelrod is tweeting about these… He wouldn’t be sayign what he is saying just to end up eating crow…

Damn it. Back to Rasmussen being my beacon of light.

This love-fest is making me get all teary eyed - but kidding aside, our Congress would learn alot from our goings-on here at PWI - be passionate, but there is always common ground if you act in good faith, and politics, while important, isn’t life and death.

I’ve enjoyed discussing and learning from all of you.

That said, here is my prediction:

I’m not going to fine tune a prediction based on recent polling data, even though all of that is very important. I am going with gut. And my gut tells me that, like someone else said, this hasn’t looked like the kind of campaign an incumbent wins.

For me, I look at the tide of moderates and independents, and the tide is that statistically that Obama lost independents a long time ago and that loss has deepened as we have gotten closer to the election. Also, anecdotally, I look at people/institutions who have flipped from Obama in 2008 to Romney in 2012. A lot of moderates have turned on Obama, and when they explain why, it is very compelling, and I think those sentiments resonate with a lot of people who plan on voting.

These voters wanted a post-partisan pragmatist in 2008 and didn’t get it, and they are mad about it, want a redo, and plan on trying to fix it.

Also, the “conservative” base will turn out big, just like they did in 2010. There is just no reason to believe they won’t.

But I think the difference maker are the moderates, and in a column from Peggy Noonan today, I think she’s got it right (read the whole thing, I think it sums up how I feel):

Maybe that’s what the coming Romney moment is about: independents, conservatives, Republicans, even some Democrats, thinking: We can turn it around, we can work together, we can right this thing, and he can help.

I think that is how people feel about Romney - he can help what needs helping, right now.

And I think that is why Romney wins.

Tomorrow should be the most interesting election I have seen in my lifetime (as I’m sure it goes for us all).

I’m not 100% sure on a winner to call (I know, I know cop out right?) Living in a toss up state sucks that is all I know, I’m so tired of the election mail, election COMMERCIALS AND ELECTION CALLLS!!!

Seriously we haven’t answered our home phone in a month.

I have enjoyed seeing the commentary on here, some very enlightening other eh not so much.

All I know is depending on the house and senate we could be in for four more years of DC gridlock.

EDIT: But if it is an Obama win I predict Zeb will have 40,000 posts by the next election. :slight_smile:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Zeb:

You can REALLY piss me off sometimes, (and I am sure I can do the same to you…!)

However, I have learned more about the General Political Process (and Politics on general), and Conservative thought from you (and T-Bolt and PUSH) than I learned in 8 years of College and Graduate School. (Those damn Cesspools of Liberalism, huh?)

Thank you, my friend.

I am pretty much with you on the assessment above.

Not a landslide…but a solid win for Romney…and hopefully someone who can at least keep pointing our country in the right direction.

Either way…we need to say a prayer or two for our next President…they’ll need it.

Mufasa

(P.S. I’m still working on the “MSLM” thing…!)

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Eloquent as always Mufasa…well put.

I see Romney winning in a race so close that it will not be decided by tomorrow night…numerous states too close to call.

I really hope Romney pulls it out, because if I have to see FightingIrish lost it on Facebook it is gonna make me pretty sad. haha

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
What about California?[/quote]

LOL!

[quote]smh23 wrote:
Florida: Romney by 3.5

Pennsylvania: Obama by 1.5

Iowa: Romney by <0.5

Michigan: Obama by 1.5

Nevada: Obama by 1

Ohio: Obama by <0.5

Virginia: Romney by 2

New Hampshire: Romney by 0.5

Colorado: Romney by 1

Minnesota: Obama by 3

Wisconsin: Obama by 2.5

Obama wins 271-267

Edit: I sort of think Romney is going to win actually, but I figured that it would be a disservice to my Comrades if I didn’t put in a formal prediction of an Obama victory.

Plus, the simple math I used to come to these predictions is probably the best I’ve got (poll averages with penalties across the board to Obama in order to counter what I believe has been statistical bias in his favor, plus steeper subtractions to Obama’s numbers based on trendlines).[/quote]

And because why not… how about an even stronger Obama win. What you said but these 3 going to Obama.

Iowa
New Hampshire
Colorado

In ten days we will find out that Romney won.

And sorry, I will be gloating. My faith’s religious organizations are having long recognized religious liberties challenged, demanding we overlook our conscience so Obama can get the Sandra Fluke crowd out to the polls.

I’m going with a Romney win. I don’t have specifics for each state and polls, but I believe it will be a very comfortable win. I just feel like, others have stated this before, the not Obama vote is bigger than we know. Just based on things I’ve seen and read, especially this thread, that Romney has it. No way is America dumb enough to vote Obama in for another 4 years. We’ll see though. Romney/Ryan 2012, it just rolls off the tongue so smoothly.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

One concern I have that no one’s mentioned so far to the best of my knowledge is that if it’s this tough to toss out a president who has performed this poorly and who possesses so little character and integrity what does this spell for our future? I say this regardless of who wins tomorrow. In other words it should never have been this close even with a Romney win. John McCain should’ve been able to beat Bam this go-round.

I worry for the future.[/quote]

I had this discussion with my 13 year old son Saturday. He is pretty aware of where the country is headed and it’s already worrying him. I had Reagan when I was that age, he’s got Obama.

Apparently, I can’t vote in VA cuz I’m a felon. I COULD HAVE, but I got back from the Gulf too late to get the paperwork through in time - it still hasn’t arrived, so I am effectively disenfranchised this election (the hoops I had to jump through were a real pain in the ass). However, I convinced THREE of my co-workers to switch their vote from Obama to Romney and we’ll all be driving to the polls after work - I’ll be there for moral support. So although I can’t directly contribute this time around, I feel that I contributed to the cause as best I could. I also donated to the Romney campaign.

I’m not as up to speed on all the states as you guys are, but I can say that Romney has really gained some momentum here in VA. More than half of the guys on my job are voting for GOP across the board - and we’re all union. I guess they finally realized that in order to be employed and WORKING as a union electrician instead of sitting on the bench with your thumb up your ass, there has to be something to BUILD! I predict that Romney will take VA. I’m praying that he’ll take the whole thing. I’m cautiously optimistic, but like push just said, the fact that it’s THIS CLOSE is a sure sign the country is in a very bad place…

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Apparently, I can’t vote in VA cuz I’m a felon. I COULD HAVE, but I got back from the Gulf too late to get the paperwork through in time - it still hasn’t arrived, so I am effectively disenfranchised this election (the hoops I had to jump through were a real pain in the ass). However, I convinced THREE of my co-workers to switch their vote from Obama to Romney and we’ll all be driving to the polls after work - I’ll be there for moral support. So although I can’t directly contribute this time around, I feel that I contributed to the cause as best I could. I also donated to the Romney campaign.
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You did good my friend!

[quote]pushharder wrote:

I worry for the future.[/quote]

This is why Romney can not drop the ball. He can not. If Romney wins he has much more than reelection to worry about.

I’m about 85% sure he will right the budgetary ship. Not sure he will be able to repeal obamacare without the Senate, but I have fingers crossed he can take some of the teeth out of it. There will be huge battle over SS and Medicare, huge. These I think he will address, and at least patch.

I wouldn’t be holding your breath for any social issues or civil liberty coming back though.

As for predictions: I don’t know which one it will be, but whoever wins, will win with 290+

My predictions will be the following:

The race will be decided tomorrow.

Obama win will see a 3-5% drop in the market on Wednesday morning until about 2pm, with a sudden, almost too good to be true afternoon rebound. This trend will continue until January, with larger and smaller sell-offs accruing, resulting in a 10-12% total sell off by January.

Also keep in mind a ton, shit ton, of the activity you’ve seen lately is to get things done and sold before January IN CASE O-Bam wins and fleeces tax payers. So a lot of the market sell off will be blunted by this activity and Holiday cheer. January and February will be cold, slow months.

And BTW, if you think QE3 wasn’t timed to have inflated the market prior to this election with the express purpose of keeping obama in office, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

If Romney wins, expect an explosion in the markets on Wednesday. 2% increase at the very least. You’ll see some selloff before year end due to obamacare’s taxes, but you won’t see the permanent withdrawal you’ll see with an obama win, and most people will buy back in.

But that is all I have, if you put a gun to my head, and I have no real reason to say this beyond gut reaction, Romney is walking here. Waffle smash or whatever that other dude said.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

One concern I have that no one’s mentioned so far to the best of my knowledge is that if it’s this tough to toss out a president who has performed this poorly and who possesses so little character and integrity what does this spell for our future? [/quote]

Stick a fork in us, we’re done. I flat out believe this is it. This is the last chance to avoid the financial cliff we’ve been barreling towards. When Obama finally launched his ‘agenda’ after the debates, an 18 page pamphlet mostly comprised of glossy photos without a word on entitlement reform…This should never have been a close race.

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

One concern I have that no one’s mentioned so far to the best of my knowledge is that if it’s this tough to toss out a president who has performed this poorly and who possesses so little character and integrity what does this spell for our future? [/quote]

Stick a fork in us, we’re done. I flat out believe this is it. This is the last chance to avoid the financial cliff we’ve been barreling towards. When Obama finally launched his ‘agenda’ after the debates, an 18 page pamphlet mostly comprised of glossy photos without a word on entitlement reform…This should never have been a close race.

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Well, there is always this:

Cold be the bubble bursting.