[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
Does hand placement in the pullup matter. I cant do underhanded or regular pullups but I can knock out 20 neutral grip pullups no problem. But not sure if I feel it in my lats. I agree with Waylander about underhand pulldowns i got those after watching a video of evan centopani and man that stretch is ridiculous. I try not to flex my arms at all while doing these. Any one else think close underhand grip is superior to any other grip for back width? [/quote]
I say Pullups for back width should be wide grip, overhand.
Doing them with an underhand is gonna throw in bis, doing them with a neutral is gonna throw in Bis and your brachioradialis (and his friends)
Dont care about the pics just yet, we want more information. Anybody can come into a thread and throw up a picture. Whether that picture means anything, is developed to the point where others should listen to their advice, etc is a different story. Discuss now, measure and brag about our PPs later.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Dont care about the pics just yet, we want more information. Anybody can come into a thread and throw up a picture. Whether that picture means anything, is developed to the point where others should listen to their advice, etc is a different story. Discuss now, measure and brag about our PPs later.[/quote]
Although my back is not developed enough to be handing out advice . 2 excercises that I really feel in my upper back musculature are pendlay rows and what i call cutler db rows. I do these after heavy pendlay rows and they feel awesome.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Dont care about the pics just yet, we want more information. Anybody can come into a thread and throw up a picture. Whether that picture means anything, is developed to the point where others should listen to their advice, etc is a different story. Discuss now, measure and brag about our PPs later.[/quote]
What do you think of inverted rows Akuma? [/quote]
I dont care for em. I mean, lets look an an inverted row. Its essentially a pullup directed at your upper back area. Well i know my upper back area can deal with a lot more weight than that. I mean yea, i suppose you could do a slightly elevated inverted rows with some plates on me or something, but really i feel its just unecessary. I mean, im starting to detest this movement simply because i see trainers bringing small/frail, large/weak people into a squat rack or smith cage and wasting this piece of equipment so their client can gingerly perform the movement while chatting about their weekend.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Dont care about the pics just yet, we want more information. Anybody can come into a thread and throw up a picture. Whether that picture means anything, is developed to the point where others should listen to their advice, etc is a different story. Discuss now, measure and brag about our PPs later.[/quote]
^read
I believe back does best with variety. Too many muscles/attachments/movement patterns to narrow your exercise selection too much.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
I mean, im starting to detest this movement simply because i see trainers bringing small/frail, large/weak people into a squat rack or smith cage and wasting this piece of equipment so their client can gingerly perform the movement while chatting about their weekend.[/quote]
Lol…I usually use them as more of a finishing movement. Oddly enough it’s been shown to activate more muscle fibers (in one study, I’m not saying that’s definitive) and puts less stress on the lower back, but other than adding some plates for more resistance, I prefer BB rows myself.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
I mean, im starting to detest this movement simply because i see trainers bringing small/frail, large/weak people into a squat rack or smith cage and wasting this piece of equipment so their client can gingerly perform the movement while chatting about their weekend.[/quote]
Lol…I usually use them as more of a finishing movement. Oddly enough it’s been shown to activate more muscle fibers (in one study, I’m not saying that’s definitive) and puts less stress on the lower back, but other than adding some plates for more resistance, I prefer BB rows myself. [/quote]
Lol so long as you arent laying there, hardly moving, without a bead of sweat on your face, having a full length conversation while laughing heartedly and not having a breath out of sequence in the squat rack when i walk in on my legs day, you’re golden, keeping doing what you’re doing if its working.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Lol so long as you arent laying there, hardly moving, without a bead of sweat on your face, having a full length conversation while laughing heartedly and not having a breath out of sequence in the squat rack [/quote]
Ha ha…no, nothing like that.
Funny, I haven’t been in a commercial gym in about 4 years - I definitely don’t miss seeing that kind of shit.
What do you guys do when you hit a plateau on chins? I’ve been stuck at 11 reps (175lbs BW) for 3 months while BB Rows are constantly increasing. I tried pulldowns and progressed fast on them but it had no carryover whatsoever. I haven’t tried cheating or partials though. I also tried adding weight but it also didn’t transfer well to unweighted chins. I was hoping to get some good 15 reps before doing them weighted but I think I’ll just have to stick to weighted if I can’t get unstuck.
[quote]mastashake wrote:
What do you guys do when you hit a plateau on chins? I’ve been stuck at 11 reps (175lbs BW) for 3 months while BB Rows are constantly increasing. I tried pulldowns and progressed fast on them but it had no carryover whatsoever. I haven’t tried cheating or partials though. I also tried adding weight but it also didn’t transfer well to unweighted chins. I was hoping to get some good 15 reps before doing them weighted but I think I’ll just have to stick to weighted if I can’t get unstuck.[/quote]
change your rep scheme, fluctuate weight use, work on your weak areas (if you find that it becomes harder to perform the movement as you progress at the beginning, work on explosion reps, if you find that the rep becomes harder to finish, work on your negative rep)
[quote]mastashake wrote:
What do you guys do when you hit a plateau on chins? I’ve been stuck at 11 reps (175lbs BW) for 3 months while BB Rows are constantly increasing. I tried pulldowns and progressed fast on them but it had no carryover whatsoever. I haven’t tried cheating or partials though. I also tried adding weight but it also didn’t transfer well to unweighted chins. I was hoping to get some good 15 reps before doing them weighted but I think I’ll just have to stick to weighted if I can’t get unstuck.[/quote]
change your rep scheme, fluctuate weight use, work on your weak areas (if you find that it becomes harder to perform the movement as you progress at the beginning, work on explosion reps, if you find that the rep becomes harder to finish, work on your negative rep)[/quote]
Thanks, I’ll try working on explosion when finishing the set and maybe alternate with weighted chins as I train back twice a week.
[quote]eyegainweightbig wrote:
I can’t do a full pull up, when I get to my chin level I can’t pull any farther
Do you guys do pull ups to the upper chest, or just the chin?[/quote]
[quote]eyegainweightbig wrote:
I can’t do a full pull up, when I get to my chin level I can’t pull any farther
Do you guys do pull ups to the upper chest, or just the chin?[/quote]
i lean back a bit and pull my chest up to the bar.
My favorite back exercises(somewhat in order from most loved to not quite as much):
BB Rows (with semi sumo stance, to keep knees out of the way)
Deadlifts
Pendlay Rows
Rack Chins
DB Rows (kroc rows)
Pin Rows (each rep starts from a dead stop a hair above knee level, pull into the stomach)
T-bar rows
Partial ROM pullups (not so much for beginners though)
Seated cable rows
As a rule of thumb, I do “width” movements with a slower, more controlled tempo (Pendlay rows being the exception), and “thickness” movements with more focus on weight, without compromising a rounded spine/bad form for more weight on the bar.
Get good at these, and you’ll have a helluva back, I promise you that.
[quote]eyegainweightbig wrote:
I can’t do a full pull up, when I get to my chin level I can’t pull any farther
Do you guys do pull ups to the upper chest, or just the chin?[/quote]
i lean back a bit and pull my chest up to the bar.
for example:
I dono, on pull-ups I HATE HATE HATE going any higher than eye level. Doesn’t even feel like I’m working my back at that point. I do like going all the way down to get a nice lat stretch.
Pin Rows (each rep starts from a dead stop a hair above knee level, pull into the stomach)
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I have to try these. I kind of already know I’m gonna love them.