I’m bipolar. I’ve been on various SSRIs for the last 5 years or so. No problems making gains, just a problem with blood sugar and weight (fat) gain. And I’d kick Robyhn and jasmincar in the nads if I ever met them.
Theoretically people with OCD DO have different brain compositions.
The real question, before they prescribe the OCD guy meds…do they even take a fucking brain scan? Nope. End of story. It’s bullshit.
Go make some callous foreign scrooge rich off your bitch ass helplessness. I’ll be here living my life as the last of a dying breed of real men.
I agree 1000% with Rohnyn. This psycho medicine bullshit has to stop.
Are you people that enslaved that you believe something just because it’s what the pc administration tells you? Do you think because someone has the title Dr, in front of their name that their assessment is anything more than an opinion? Mengele was a Doctor, Frenologists and Racial Biologists were PHDs.
To me this whole thing is pretty obviously a way to make money. While also being an initiative to feminize the population.
Jasminacar is right. Does anyone even think anymore? If you actually stop and think you’ll realize wtf we’re talking about. It’s absurd how in love with weakness and helplessness you all are.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html
for anyone who discredits the fields of psychology/psychiatry, please go volunteer at your local mental health clinic. spend a few hours with someone suffering from an mental illness.
the world does not work in extremes. examples of over-medication do not discredit the field of psychiatry. conversely, examples of medication successfully treating an illness do not prove that every individual should be medicated or that medication works for everyone.
LOL that this post has become a meds vs. no meds debate.
@ OP
Some of the articles ive read over the past years positively correlate low sex drive from anti depressants. By actively supressing parts of the Central Nervous System, it seems to inhibit the androgen receptors.
Although it’s not proven yet, the best way to describe it would be like having a gas tank full of unleaded super plus(Testosterone), but some particles come and clog up your fuel pump(CNS receptors), making delivery of fuel unsuccessful. My best guess from the material would be that Testosterone plays a key in how your mood is altered, so supressing the flow of T and its conversions to your CNS would make you less likely to use the valuable amounts of the anabolic/androgenic hormone to your muscular benefit.
But if you need it man, take it! Sure, some people have breakthroughs and have therapy through other means besides psychiatrists, but if you feel that your OCD is taking control of your life, meds would probably be your best bet.
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Theoretically people with OCD DO have different brain compositions.
The real question, before they prescribe the OCD guy meds…do they even take a fucking brain scan? Nope. End of story. It’s bullshit.
Go make some callous foreign scrooge rich off your bitch ass helplessness. I’ll be here living my life as the last of a dying breed of real men.[/quote]
Oh good, you won’t be breeding then. Listen dude, it’s one thing to overprescribe, quite another thing to be Orwell’s “1984”.
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Theoretically people with OCD DO have different brain compositions.
The real question, before they prescribe the OCD guy meds…do they even take a fucking brain scan? Nope. End of story. It’s bullshit.
Go make some callous foreign scrooge rich off your bitch ass helplessness. I’ll be here living my life as the last of a dying breed of real men.[/quote]
The machines that conduct brain scans are horribly expensive, so they are not all too prevalent. And I doubt someone would pay a large sum of money to get a brain scan when they can use a cheaper and just as reliable marker (Metabolites of Neurotransmitters, For Serotonin, you piss out 5-HIAA, too little of this metabolite means too little serotonin)
And don’t use your experience as the basis of your judging, it seems you were a little bitch and got a bit depressed, then were wrongly prescribed an anti-depressant (for a whole month, wowee). After you quit it and stopped being a little bitch, you now group your sub-clinical depression with all sorts of neurological disorders, and think that it makes you an authority on the subject.
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
And don’t use your experience as the basis of your judging, it seems you were a little bitch and got a bit depressed, then were wrongly prescribed an anti-depressant (for a whole month, wowee). After you quit it and stopped being a little bitch, you now group your sub-clinical depression with all sorts of neurological disorders, and think that it makes you an authority on the subject.
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This is what I thought at first until he threw out neurontin. He took meds "for like a month’ and no doctor in the world is going to prescribe that off the bat, so my new theory is that mommy is crazy and has been on psych meds all of her life (and consequently his life) and it hurt his little feelings to see her bring home man after man. One day, with quivering lip, he looked in the mirror and decided he was a real man now. “DO YOU HEAR THAT MOMMY?! I’M A MAN NOW!!”
I work at an emergency psychiatric ward. Some people NEED medication for their problems, others need to go outside and chop a tree (work out). It seems the OP is already trying nondrug options, and if it works it is great, if it doesnt work, the meds may help him live a normal life. Being a man has nothing to do with it.
If youre on meds for a month and then quit and feel fine, you didn’t need them in the first place. Bipolar people like Doogie often needs meds to keep it in check (and lots of sleep). If he were to “tough” up he would if he has a serious case of it, in a manic phase, drive away friends and family, ruin his professional career and economy, and in a depressive phase, maybe kill himself. Thats what the disorder does, and “toughing” up means autoseponating meds and causing big problems for himself.
Just because something happens to me or someone I know, doesn’t mean thats how the world is.
I agree with the anti-drug stance. I think in almost all cases of mild mental illness drugs should absolutely not be prescribed. ESPECIALLY if you are only 18!!! You should at least finish maturing mentally before even thinking about putting that stuff in your body.
Maybe there is some science behind these drugs, but that science is definitely not used in day to day prescriptions AT ALL. Doctors will prescribe these things without a second thought. I know in the case of Effexor the Doctors would even get a free trip to Florida for a conference(really, just a vacation) if they handed out a certain amount of prescriptions. This is just the tip of the iceberg with how terrible drug companies have become.
Do your absolute best to avoid using drugs. You never know what effect they will have on you. Even if you think you will experiment, your judgement will be impaired by their effects on your mood. Some anti depressants will even cause manic depression upon quitting them. Other drugs cause other negative effects when you stop. Open your eyes! It’s a physical addiction!
Do your best to harness the power of the human will, which is just as powerful as any of these drugs. Think about how a cartesian monk could stop himself from being depressed without the ability to speak with anyone except for one hour a week. That is a basic human need they are deprived of. If they can do that, you have a good chance of overcoming your OCD and ensuing depression. You have to do your best.
[quote]AndrewBolinger wrote:
Do your best to harness the power of the human will, which is just as powerful as any of these drugs. Think about how a cartesian monk could stop himself from being depressed without the ability to speak with anyone except for one hour a week. That is a basic human need they are deprived of. If they can do that, you have a good chance of overcoming your OCD and ensuing depression. You have to do your best.[/quote]
Monks don’t have families, jobs, mortgages. Although there is a kernel of truth in what you’re saying, which is that thinking techniques can beat depression, anxiety, and OCD. That’s why people are recommending CBT.
It seems like all you need to do to cure mental illness is become a viking or a monk, if only there was a drug that could do that, eh?
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
[quote]AndrewBolinger wrote:
Do your best to harness the power of the human will, which is just as powerful as any of these drugs. Think about how a cartesian monk could stop himself from being depressed without the ability to speak with anyone except for one hour a week. That is a basic human need they are deprived of. If they can do that, you have a good chance of overcoming your OCD and ensuing depression. You have to do your best.[/quote]
Monks don’t have families, jobs, mortgages. Although there is a kernel of truth in what you’re saying, which is that thinking techniques can beat depression, anxiety, and OCD. That’s why people are recommending CBT.
It seems like all you need to do to cure mental illness is become a viking or a monk, if only there was a drug that could do that, eh?[/quote]
Rhodiola Rosea, the strength of vikings!
[quote]borrek wrote:
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
And don’t use your experience as the basis of your judging, it seems you were a little bitch and got a bit depressed, then were wrongly prescribed an anti-depressant (for a whole month, wowee). After you quit it and stopped being a little bitch, you now group your sub-clinical depression with all sorts of neurological disorders, and think that it makes you an authority on the subject.
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This is what I thought at first until he threw out neurontin. He took meds "for like a month’ and no doctor in the world is going to prescribe that off the bat, so my new theory is that mommy is crazy and has been on psych meds all of her life (and consequently his life) and it hurt his little feelings to see her bring home man after man. One day, with quivering lip, he looked in the mirror and decided he was a real man now. “DO YOU HEAR THAT MOMMY?! I’M A MAN NOW!!”[/quote]
Actually they did prescribe that off the bat.
But really…this is the best you can do?
Attack me as a person when you got nothing on me…so you gotta fabricate, because I pissed you off by showing ridiculous your whole lifestyle is. Lol, okay.
Get off the meds kid.
Rohyn, how do you find time to give advice about depression when you’re marauding about the place in your longship? Have you done any good pillaging lately?
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
[quote]AndrewBolinger wrote:
Do your best to harness the power of the human will, which is just as powerful as any of these drugs. Think about how a cartesian monk could stop himself from being depressed without the ability to speak with anyone except for one hour a week. That is a basic human need they are deprived of. If they can do that, you have a good chance of overcoming your OCD and ensuing depression. You have to do your best.[/quote]
Monks don’t have families, jobs, mortgages. Although there is a kernel of truth in what you’re saying, which is that thinking techniques can beat depression, anxiety, and OCD. That’s why people are recommending CBT.
It seems like all you need to do to cure mental illness is become a viking or a monk, if only there was a drug that could do that, eh?[/quote]
Way to twist it around man 
It’s just an example of the human will overcoming a lack of a basic need, showcasing what is possible in the mind. I couldn’t imagine how stressful it would be to not be able to speak with anyone. I also meant carthusian monks, I fucked up.
I am just saying that you have to do your absolute best to avoid psychological drugs. I have had extensive experience with antidepressants - both being on them myself and watching the effect of them on several of those close to me. The latter being the absolute hardest… It is definitely better to do what you can to help your own health rather than taking a doctors recommendation. As someone said above, they don’t give a shit about your health compared to you. There’s also the risk they don’t even know what they’re doing either, which is huge. My family doctor put me on anti depressants when I was 15 years old and doing quite well at school. I was just a kid going through puberty. There’s no excuse for that.
It wouldn’t be so bad if you could just try them out and quit, but they will have a long lasting effect on your brain depending on how long you are on them. The natural production of whatever is in the particular drug will be effected, and it will take awhile for the brain to get the natural feedback cycles in order again to keep the levels somewhat decent if you try to quit. That way you will be really convinced you have a problem and you need them, and you will continue to feed the drug companies money every month with a new bottle of pills. The way out once you start is much harder than the way in. So consider very carefully whether you really need them before taking them. And think about whether you believe you have fully matured mentally yet. That is definitely a huge factor, as an 18 year old. I know at that time I hadn’t, and I still haven’t. But all my problems get better and better with each passing year.
[quote]glorifieda wrote:
Would you recommend that a diabetic quit being a pussy and get off that insulin shit?
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Good point. other than the fact that at least a large portion of diabetes is self inflicted and can be corrected without medication.
So yes, I think a lot of the diabetics out there should quit being a pussy, put forth some effort and get off the insulin. Even some disease as cut and dry as diabetes can most certainly be caused by conscious choices.
I admittedly don’t have experience with depression, but my personal general rule of thumb is to only turn to medication after all alternatives have failed. I also know that the mind is a powerful thing.
In the end, OP, you’d be an idiot to let people on these forums have a significant influence in your decision. It’s your life and your head, no one here has any idea as to the contents of either.
Oh, and thanks to whoever talked about leaving the stove on, now I have to run home and check.
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
[quote]borrek wrote:
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
And don’t use your experience as the basis of your judging, it seems you were a little bitch and got a bit depressed, then were wrongly prescribed an anti-depressant (for a whole month, wowee). After you quit it and stopped being a little bitch, you now group your sub-clinical depression with all sorts of neurological disorders, and think that it makes you an authority on the subject.
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This is what I thought at first until he threw out neurontin. He took meds "for like a month’ and no doctor in the world is going to prescribe that off the bat, so my new theory is that mommy is crazy and has been on psych meds all of her life (and consequently his life) and it hurt his little feelings to see her bring home man after man. One day, with quivering lip, he looked in the mirror and decided he was a real man now. “DO YOU HEAR THAT MOMMY?! I’M A MAN NOW!!”[/quote]
Actually they did prescribe that off the bat.
But really…this is the best you can do?
Attack me as a person when you got nothing on me…so you gotta fabricate, because I pissed you off by showing ridiculous your whole lifestyle is. Lol, okay.
Get off the meds kid.[/quote]
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Our society is pussified and over medicated. You’re not mental, you’re just a crybaby. Man up and focus your energy into forging an invincible mentality and limitless ambition.
You think men who fought with swords and lopped of eachother’s arms were without a ‘chemical imbalance’? Get real, they built our society. Get real, stay away from the emasculation initiatives put forward by the vagina thugs and become a modern viking.[/quote]
Hey, looks like someone took their ‘ignorant pills’ today…