Will Taking Prozac Affect My Gains?

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[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:

[quote]GoldenState wrote:
Damn, this turned into quite a heated topic. Rohnyn, I get where you are coming from. Anti-depressant meds are being handed out way to easily these days by doctors. I understand that I live in a 1st world country and that I have limitless opportunities, and I am taking full advantage of that, but that has nothing to do with my situation.

You are confusing OCD with depression. OCD is a mental disorder. I have a type of OCD in which my mind produces horrific images that I literally have no control over. My mind lacks the ability to let these images go and I obsess about these thoughts literally from the time I wake up to the time I go to bed. It’s not a matter of trying to “man up” and focus my thoughts elsewhere, because I can’t. It interferes with me functioning in my daily life.

The images I see torture, confuse, and scare me which in turn makes me depressed. I’m doing cognitive behavorial therapy at the moment and I’m all for beating my OCD without meds. However I was just curious to see how it would affect me if down the road I did need to take prozac because cognitive behavorial therapy doesn’t work out.

And thanks to everyone who replied. It’s helping a lot.[/quote]

okay, this advice comes with a qualifier: “I’m not a psychiatrist BUT”

these mental images and thoughts sound more like schizophrenia. I always thought Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is when you feel compelled to do things you can’t explain, such as repetitive tasks and habits.

opening a door 3 times before passing through the archway for example. [/quote]

The mental images may be the reason why the actions reoccur. If I lock my car door, then an overwhelming image of my car being stolen overcomes me, I return to check to see if it is locked. Or I repeatedly return home to check to see if the stove is off, because of the intrusive thought of my house burning down.

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[quote]silverhydra wrote:

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:

[quote]GoldenState wrote:
Damn, this turned into quite a heated topic. Rohnyn, I get where you are coming from. Anti-depressant meds are being handed out way to easily these days by doctors. I understand that I live in a 1st world country and that I have limitless opportunities, and I am taking full advantage of that, but that has nothing to do with my situation.

You are confusing OCD with depression. OCD is a mental disorder. I have a type of OCD in which my mind produces horrific images that I literally have no control over. My mind lacks the ability to let these images go and I obsess about these thoughts literally from the time I wake up to the time I go to bed. It’s not a matter of trying to “man up” and focus my thoughts elsewhere, because I can’t. It interferes with me functioning in my daily life.

The images I see torture, confuse, and scare me which in turn makes me depressed. I’m doing cognitive behavorial therapy at the moment and I’m all for beating my OCD without meds. However I was just curious to see how it would affect me if down the road I did need to take prozac because cognitive behavorial therapy doesn’t work out.

And thanks to everyone who replied. It’s helping a lot.[/quote]

okay, this advice comes with a qualifier: “I’m not a psychiatrist BUT”

these mental images and thoughts sound more like schizophrenia. I always thought Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is when you feel compelled to do things you can’t explain, such as repetitive tasks and habits.

opening a door 3 times before passing through the archway for example. [/quote]

The mental images may be the reason why the actions reoccur. If I lock my car door, then an overwhelming image of my car being stolen overcomes me, I return to check to see if it is locked. Or I repeatedly return home to check to see if the stove is off, because of the intrusive thought of my house burning down.
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okay, that makes perfect sense to me now. thanks for clearing it up hydra.

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I dont like the sense of hopelessness from the OP…

Read these books below sometime, consider all the advice you’ve been given in the thread, and please only go to the meds as a last resort! I’ve been down that road in HS and hated them

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your lifting gains should not be a factor in deciding whether or not you take your medication. medication can be a very useful tool in any well-rounded approach towards getting over/living with a mental health issue. Please don’t listen to the pathetic “modern day viking” bullshit. having a mental illness isn’t a sprained ankle that you just tough out. Also, use of prozac and other SSRI’s is not permanent and is often times used to stabilize a patient in order to improve the effectiveness of the other methods discussed above. even if the other posters are licensed psychiatrists, a few posts is not enough to diagnose whether or not medication is necessary. If you are having doubts, seek a second opinion from a professional or try the meds and if you are not satisfied make sure you inform your doctor.

that being said, getting over a mental illness will take work. it is not easy and there is no magic cure-all pills. SSRI’s will probably limit your gains in the gym, but this is temporary. use the mental skills you developed by lifting and put them towards overcoming this obstacle.

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[quote]GoldenState wrote:
Hey, whats up everyone. I’m 18 years old and weightlifting is one of my greatest passions. No matter what life throws at me, I can always work it off in the gym. Anyway, as of lately I have developed OCD in which I have horrible intrusive thoughts that cause me depression. My therapist recommended prozac, but he said it could affect my sex drive.

I automatically related lowered sex drive to lowered testosterone levels, but Im not sure if I’m right in assuming that. I asked my doctor if that was the case and he said he didnt know. So I was just wondering if any of you take prozac? And if you do, has it affected your muscle and strength gains? Also, if you don’t take prozac feel free to voice your opinion, I want to hear as many views as possible. Thanks.[/quote]

I went through a few different anti depressants until i found one that didn’t mess with my sex drive.(zoloft)

One of the ones i tried my solder was actually in pain when he shot the rifle.

Although some people are not affected, it really depends on the person.

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[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
OP lives in a 1st world country, has access to the internet, and can afford a psychiatrist…how bad could his life really be?

When I got where he is at right now I thought about my Grandmother’s upbringing. Her Father killed himself when she was 14, her Mother ran off and abandoned their family, and she had to fend for her 4 young siblings at that young age in a poor third world country. Dropping out of school and working two jobs as a servant for wealthy people to feed her younger siblings, all the while having to keep creepy fucks from trying to rape her when their wives were away.

Don’t you think that shit would make you depressed? She forced herself into a state of ‘will’ and ‘do’, and she is currently 98 years old, still ticking. Moved herself from hopeless poverty to first world society in a less than half a life time. Brought her whole family with her as well.

You are a man, you have a penis, and testicles…not to mention 20x more opportunities and luxuries than she did. If she can do that, then I think you can get out of this ‘feel bad for yourself’ bullshit.

You are a strong person already, you have dedicated yourself to IronLife and don’t want to be weak. You obviously want OUT of depression and sadness, or whatever it is that afflicts you. You just need to realize the power only lies within yourself. Do you think some Paki Doctor who sees you as another client to slang some Chinese ‘bitch mentality’ pills to, gives a FUCK about helping you? Noone can help you but you, you are 100% alone in this world. But…

You are strong and capable and WILL succeed. You have that power within yourself.

Take your fist, and make your life.[/quote]

first of all!

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second:

although i am not an expert i have gone through a few different anti depressants/ anti OCD/ anti anxiety drugs, i have found that SNRI’s and SSRI’s do not affect weight lifting ability or muscle gain. OP i dont know what OCD you are dealing with ( i had obsessive ruminations) but i do know when i had it it drove me to attempt suicide so i know how you feel, i will say that phycology is the way to fix OCD and depression.

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[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
OP lives in a 1st world country, has access to the internet, and can afford a psychiatrist…how bad could his life really be?

When I got where he is at right now I thought about my Grandmother’s upbringing. Her Father killed himself when she was 14, her Mother ran off and abandoned their family, and she had to fend for her 4 young siblings at that young age in a poor third world country. Dropping out of school and working two jobs as a servant for wealthy people to feed her younger siblings, all the while having to keep creepy fucks from trying to rape her when their wives were away.

Don’t you think that shit would make you depressed? She forced herself into a state of ‘will’ and ‘do’, and she is currently 98 years old, still ticking. Moved herself from hopeless poverty to first world society in a less than half a life time. Brought her whole family with her as well.

You are a man, you have a penis, and testicles…not to mention 20x more opportunities and luxuries than she did. If she can do that, then I think you can get out of this ‘feel bad for yourself’ bullshit.

You are a strong person already, you have dedicated yourself to IronLife and don’t want to be weak. You obviously want OUT of depression and sadness, or whatever it is that afflicts you. You just need to realize the power only lies within yourself. Do you think some Paki Doctor who sees you as another client to slang some Chinese ‘bitch mentality’ pills to, gives a FUCK about helping you? Noone can help you but you, you are 100% alone in this world. But…

You are strong and capable and WILL succeed. You have that power within yourself.

Take your fist, and make your life.[/quote]

all your posts in this thread anger me and if you were near me id punch you. /end rant

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[sarcasm]
You all have convinced me.
I am going to start taking Prozac, quit lifting, and start selling Avon.

Thanks for the advice guys. You’re all invited to my next tea party.[/sarcasm]

I can’t believe you guys buy into these BS money making schemes. You’re level of ‘helplessness’ you all encourage onto eachother is pathetic.

If China invades were all screwed, those guys over there are clean focused mentalities while you lil panties wouldn’t know what to do once the supply line of prozac and neurontin breaks down. You’ll all start having bad dweams, and crying… surrender at your first opportunity.

Think about this… of all the dudes who have posted in this thread, like 3/4 of them have used meds. Don’t you think that number is a little high? Perhaps these meds are motivated by the capitalist factors of everything else in this place, so you get put on them so someone can make money? If 3/4 of ppl really did need meds to function, don’t you think the human species would have failed by now?

I also don’t retract my statement about ‘Paki Doctors,’ why? Because if those dudes wanted to help sick people they’d stay in Pakistan, where there are lots of genuine sick people. They come there come here to slang drugs to unsure-of-themself nancy girlmen…apparently they’ve discovered their niche. Alot of Western doctors go to poor countries and do work for their impoverished masses, yet most of the Desis, go where the money is at, and just try to do things like slang drugs to suburb-pansies.

OP do what you want, but from my point of view. Having gone from truly suicidal to successful on my own… the only means to do it are within you. You can control your thoughts, your actions, your destiny. Perhaps you don’t agree and that’s fine whatever. I am concretely opposed to the lifestyle most of the guys in this thread seem to love and will negate it at any opportunity.

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[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
I don’t get it.
You all have convinced me.
I am going to start taking Prozac, quit lifting, and start taking Avon.

Thanks for the advice guys. You’re all invited to my next trinket party.[/quote]

seriously…Get The fuck out!

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[quote]Kerley wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
I don’t get it.
You all have convinced me.
I am going to start taking Prozac, quit lifting, and start taking Avon.

Thanks for the advice guys. You’re all invited to my next trinket party.[/quote]

seriously…Get The fuck out![/quote]
Have you taken your meds today? You’re acting overly aggressive.

You might fuck around and have another ‘episode’ if you keep getting yourself worked up.

Don’t make me call Dr. Naranjevan and have him double your dose.

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[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Think about this… of all the dudes who have posted in this thread, like 3/4 of them have used meds. Don’t you think that number is a little high? Perhaps these meds are motivated by the capitalist factors of everything else in this place, so you get put on them so someone can make money? If 3/4 of ppl really did need meds to function, don’t you think the human species would have failed by now?[/quote]

You’re a fuckwit. Do you think people responding to this thread are representative of the population, given that those with experience of depression and OCD are more likely to respond?

Enough people have told you this already: you need to shut the fuck up and get out.

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[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]Kerley wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
I don’t get it.
You all have convinced me.
I am going to start taking Prozac, quit lifting, and start taking Avon.

Thanks for the advice guys. You’re all invited to my next trinket party.[/quote]

seriously…Get The fuck out![/quote]
Have you taken your meds today? You’re acting overly aggressive.

You might fuck around and have another ‘episode’ if you keep getting yourself worked up.

Don’t make me call Dr. Naranjevan and have him double your dose.[/quote]

the only thing i feel is pity towards you and your ignorance.

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[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
[sarcasm]
You all have convinced me.
I am going to start taking Prozac, quit lifting, and start selling Avon.

Thanks for the advice guys. You’re all invited to my next tea party.[/sarcasm]

I can’t believe you guys buy into these BS money making schemes. You’re level of ‘helplessness’ you all encourage onto eachother is pathetic.

If China invades were all screwed, those guys over there are clean focused mentalities while you lil panties wouldn’t know what to do once the supply line of prozac and neurontin breaks down. You’ll all start having bad dweams, and crying… surrender at your first opportunity.

Think about this… of all the dudes who have posted in this thread, like 3/4 of them have used meds. Don’t you think that number is a little high? Perhaps these meds are motivated by the capitalist factors of everything else in this place, so you get put on them so someone can make money? If 3/4 of ppl really did need meds to function, don’t you think the human species would have failed by now?

I also don’t retract my statement about ‘Paki Doctors,’ why? Because if those dudes wanted to help sick people they’d stay in Pakistan, where there are lots of genuine sick people. They come there come here to slang drugs to unsure-of-themself nancy girlmen…apparently they’ve discovered their niche. Alot of Western doctors go to poor countries and do work for their impoverished masses, yet most of the Desis, go where the money is at, and just try to do things like slang drugs to suburb-pansies.

OP do what you want, but from my point of view. Having gone from truly suicidal to successful on my own… the only means to do it are within you. You can control your thoughts, your actions, your destiny. Perhaps you don’t agree and that’s fine whatever. I am concretely opposed to the lifestyle most of the guys in this thread seem to love and will negate it at any opportunity.[/quote]

Initially I bit my tongue, as I found humor in your ignorance. However, as I continued to read, your level of douchebaggedness lost its entertainment value. Who are you to judge what this kid is going through? I, like everyone else, can agree that these type of medications are over prescribed. Having said that, there are legitimate cases which require chemical help to maintain a certain level of mental stability. Would you recommend that a diabetic quit being a pussy and get off that insulin shit? Sounds like the exact same concept to me. I’ve been through some shit in my life that has led me to seek relief by any means necessary. That just so happened to be in the form of Prozac along with counseling. The fact that I am yet another person to post on this thread who has been on this medication proves nothing, as someone already mentioned…it caught our interest because it is relevant to our lives, it is no way an indication of society as a whole.

But to answer your original question OP…I’ve been on it about 2 years and am currently at 235, 6’ tall, and about 14% bodyfat. Plan to get leaner in the coming months. In no way am I recommending that you go this route…but if it is necessary, don’t let the ignorance of this tool make you feel like less of a man for doing so.

On another note, as for being a “suburban pansie…” Rohnyn, you sound like a type of guy that measures manhood on one’s ability to be able to whoop another man’s ass…if that is so, I’m quite confident that I am more of a man than you. I feel you may be overcompensating for something that may have happened to your anus as a child.

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I have been using Prozac for my OCD for 2 years and I don’t think it will affect your gains (I also aked to my psychatrist and told me that in fact I could gain fat while using this medication. Anyways just don’t give a fuck and do your best man! By the way Rohny get the fuck out!

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I’m addict to Paxil because I have anxiety problem, this shit makes me feel so good plus I can fuck 2h straight, I don’t want to stop cause I feel too good. To the OP, I think that even if it affects your gain, you have to priorize your psychological well being first…But this kind of medication is very powerful so you have to see if you really need it.

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The difference is that diabetes is scientific. They actually measure blood, blood sugar and urine and can determine you have this illness. It is pure science.

Where as with these phsychological illnesses they diagnose by hearsay symptons, which more or less everyone has from one day to the next. It is essentially a pseudoscience, like old school frenology. When was the last time they did a neuroscan on you? Better yet, pull some fluids out of your brain to determine whether or not you’re mind was in calibration? There’s no physical basis for this science just a lot of hypertheoretical concepts that they rushed over to quadruple their drug profits.

The whole thing is a fluke, without much of a scientific basis. Just throwing drugs at this and that and seeing what does and doesn’t make the person happy.
Even when these meds do make people content, often it is for only a limited amount of time, before it throws something else out of wack.

Oh let’s try seizure medicine for this depression! O wait, that makes people kill themselves after 3 weeks…TRY SOMETHING ELSE!

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Is a chemical balance not scientific? Are serotonin levels merely black magic? Where do you get your information from? Quadruple their drug profits??? $4 a month is reasonable on any budget. If that’s what it takes to make a man feel better, who are you to judge? Leave T-Nation alone and go check out, mydaddytouchedme.com

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I support everything Robyhn has said. One day the society is crushing you, you are dying of malnourishment, getting bombs on your house, no one gives a fuck and then it gives you medication to make everything alright because you are having psychological problem with life as it is ? It is a fucking joke. You need to stop and think a little bit. People act in their own interest and the reason these medications exist is that someone is making a profit over it. You dont have any security in life even if you do your very best to stay in the herd. One day people are being rude , one day people are acting in a ultra-competitive manner and then another day they are helping you and being all nice, it’s alright we will help you with your helplessness? how come? I taught that was common knowledge