It is interesting.
As noted in the article: Roy Moore (regardless of the truth or falsity of the allegations against him) will be elected because the Democrat Party is trash.
It may be anti-Mormon sentiment. I think, on balance, it was just a slam against Romney (and, indirectly, his sons) for failing to serve in the military.
Or maybe, as a Jewish guy, I don’t understand the difference between Mormons and Christians.
Anyway, my reaction was it took a look of chutzpah to pick on Romney’s failure-to-serve when he was a big Trump supporter, who failed to serve for seemingly-fake medical reasons, despite being a star athlete.
what a great article. I was trying to explain this concept to my old, white, rich, democrat dad yesterday. He can’t get it. I’ve consistently heard him say things like ‘but we’re so much better for black people, why don’t they get it??’ Dumb shit like that. or ‘how could a woman POSSIBLY vote for trump?’ the lack of self awareness and political idiocy has truly become mind blowing. Turns out, if you treat real, live people like puppets, they might not like you too much. WHO KNEW???
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This. What you don’t understand is the deep antipathy conservative evangelicals harbor for Mormons, whom they consider to be a cult, and non-Christian.
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It’s not, IMO, a racist flyer. Further, its point is valid.
All that said, its ham-handed approach to the issue is likely to backfire.
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I don’t know anything about this guy, but he’s getting some very bad advice.
Hi SkyzykS. @ contentious objectors. No, we aren’t but that’s a common misperception. I think people mix us up with the Amish or Quakers maybe. A lot of us serve missions for the church, sometimes people will do both. We had a young man from our congregation at West Point, and the military allowed him to go serve a mission for the church in Puerto Rico, then come back and finish his time in the military.
The participation of Mormons in the armed forces is roughly equivalent to their proportion of the population; senior figures in the Church served during World War II; and at least 10 Mormons have won the Medal of Honor.
A little history for you US history buffs.
"In 1846, the only religiously based unit to ever serve in United States military history included more than 500 volunteers from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints during the Mexican-American War. The group was known as the “Mormon Battalion.”
The battalion’s service (including a 2,000-mile march from Iowa to San Diego—one of the longest military marches in history) helped secure critical territory and aid westward expansion, though it came at great cost for the Latter-day Saints: during this time, members of the Church were fleeing persecution and violent mobs and enduring great hardship and sacrifice on their westward trek to the Great Salt Lake."
Yes. This is pretty much it, @Jewbacca.
BTW, I really appreciate how kind people here in PWI have been with regard to being a place for people to talk about our faith/ or lack of faith with respect.
If anyone is curious. From my tradition about self-defense.
"The Book of Mormon repeatedly counsels soldiers to abhor the shedding of blood. However, it also contains principles as to when war may be justified. … the were inspired by a better cause, for they were not fighting for monarchy nor power but they were fighting for their homes and their liberties, their wives and their children, and their all, yea, for their rites of worship and their church.
And they were doing that which they felt was the duty which they owed to their God; for the Lord had said unto them, and also unto their fathers, that: Inasmuch as ye are not guilty of the first offense, neither the second, ye shall not suffer yourselves to be slain by the hands of your enemies.
And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed… to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion."
Theologically Mormons are basically to Christians what Christians are to Jews. They believe in later (and still existing) prophets and new written texts that supersede/add to the Christian canon.
Well. No, it’s not a very good analogy. Mormons believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God and Savior of the world. Unlike people from the Jewish tradition, we most certainly believe in and worship Christ.
Yes, exactly. Thanks. In that sense, we’re are very different in meaningful ways from other Christians. We don’t accept the creeds of post- New Testament Christianity, including the nature of the Godhead. Our understanding of the Trinity is different.
Apologies to everyone for the Mormon hijack. This might be helpful if anyone is interested in understanding the theology a bit.
BTW - I put this not as a point of debate or anything like that. It’s just come up because Flake, Romney, and other LDS have taken a stand against Moore, and then Bannon made his remarks about Mormons, as a way of discrediting our political opinions. Also, this came up a lot during the Trump campaign.
FTR, I meant no insult. I have deep respect for Mormons. You believe in a new prophet(s) and new text, much the way original Christian’s did in modifying Judaism. Christians also still believe in the previous prophets shared with Judaism, though I agree the deity status of Jesus does make the comparison imperfect.
I used to live next to a missionary apartment that rotated different missionaries through regularly and each new set tried to convert me. I pretty much did a “Bible” study with them for a while (until I moved) and thoroughly read the book of Mormon.
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Oh, for sure. No worries about me taking that wrong. It was a good comment. We are different in some meaningful ways.
And yes, in that respect it works. Thanks for clarifying. I had no idea you had some much exposure to my faith tradition.
Cool.
I’m sure you’ve all heard. Franken stepped down.
And now member of the House, Trent Franks of Az. (R), freedom caucus. At first I heard Franks had “talked about surrogacy” which sounded like it might not be a deal, but apparently he actually asked female staffers to be a surrogate for him, bear his child. Just bizarre, and completely inappropriate. It makes you wonder if any of these people have a real best friend, someone to run ideas by.
Anyway… If Moore wins, I don’t see how he can possibly stay.
Yeah…I heard the same thing @anon71262119.
My original thought was “What the heck is wrong with talking about surrogacy, for heaven’s sake?”
UNTIL I found out the guy was asking Staffer’s if they would have his baby “the old fashioned way” , spiced with sleazy, “you KNOW you want this” pick-up kind of language.
Man…
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Frank, Franken, Franks…
Is that name able to convert its owners into sexually weirdo politicians or something?
One doesn’t even need the easy double entendre.
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Well… “Weiner”? Maybe we don’t elect any more Johnsosns, Dicks etc…
@Mufasa that was my double take as well. We had a running joke where I’d pretend to come onto the wife with “Wanna get pregnant?” This guy actually used it as a pick up line ffs.
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Enough is enough that’s why HH is endorsing Eliot Spitzer for president in 2020. No more sexual harassment creeps. A real gentleman pays for his poon like the good old days. Time to make America great again.
I sure am glad I am not a single guy in the dating scene right now… If I were, I think it would be high time to hike that Appalachian Trail…
I don’t mind if dirty dudes get what’s coming and what they deserve, but where due process is available, it should be followed rather than the ‘lynch mob’ mentality. Franken may be guilty, but at least let’s find out as much information as possible before rendering judgement. He had an ethics committee that could have done a full investigation. That would have been more proper.
I don’t like where this is leading, accusations on their face. Just like most men are probably not predator, most women are probably not vindictive. But it only take one, of either, to ruin a life.
Roy Moore is probably guilty, if he gets elected, lets get the ethics committee involved and use due process to establish guilt or innocence.
The 70’s were a weird, messy time sexually in this country. Kids were screwing around at fairly young ages with each other, much less with young adults.
It was not unheard of for say ‘rock stars’ to be messing around with inappropriately young girls. You throw coke in the mix and you often got a bizarre set of circumstances. Doesn’t make it right, but it happened and it happened a lot. A lot more than people want to admit anyway.
Hopefully, he does not win and we don’t have to deal with it. But if we do have to deal with it, then lets do it the right way. So if he is shown the door, at least he was given as fair a trial as could be given under the circumstances.
Here is an interesting article:
You wouldn’t need to worry. This “afraid to be a victim of a false allegation” doesn’t actually exist in the real world (on anything more than a stupidly low % chance like it always has). It’s media fluff and people buying into it without knowing better.